Madara sage> Obito Sage

[chintu234]

2. wrong, madara had already given his rinnegan to nagato before he rescued obito and the akatsuki was formed without obito, he might have influenced the way they acted but the 3 amegakure orphans were going to create the akatsuki regardless...

3. i highly doubt u believe the other k11 members and other konoha teams will beat madara, they couldnt beat edo madara, most likely hashirama's plan for sasuke will work and madara will be tnj because there is no power greater than his at this moment, and there is no power close to his at the moment, there isnt going to be any ass whooping of madara, tnj will come into play

1. sorry for the akatsuki part but still seeing on how nagato's feelings and peace loving guy he would never do things which obito made them do after ploting to kill of nagato

2. In the jubito vs naruto fight they helped him a little so they can help him in the final fight
and itachi himself told naruto to not take everything on yourself but take help from his friends and i think naruto respects what itachi said.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Madara never had kamui and yet to show a counter to it even in jin form.
Obito was near death when he sealed juubi, madara wasnt and had SM on top. More bijus only result in more chakra.
Obito's staff is just like Hagoromo's.
Current madara still loses to MS Obito using kamui+izanagi combo, until he get another eye and can fight izanagi with one.

Somehow obito didnt get all nagato's feats cuz he had rinnegan, appearance alone doesnt make madara stronger.

u just said a bunch of stuff that doesnt matter...obito's kamui does what warp u to the other dimension...thats it

izanagi does what??? change reality basically give u a second chance

both of them techs would just be prolonging obito's ass whooping...


u fail to realize obito cant warps madara in ps nor can he warp madara at all with his speed...base guy went toe to toe with obito and told obito as he was fighting him that obito wouldnt be a ble to warp in becuse he was too fast, and thats just base guy who is much slower than juubi jin, juubi jin was faster than 2 ftg users 2 halves of kyuubi users, the fastest shinobi in history couldnt touch juubi jin...greater speed beats speed, minato proved that against obito...ftg> kamui...madara just proved sage mode sensing > ftg...so sm sensing> ftg > kamui not to mention the juubi jin speed obito cant kamui him anyway

 

[Smd]

1. without obito i dont know who would help madara.....because as zetsu said obito could use senju techs very fluently because he potential and without him there would be no one else madara could ask for help for the infinite tasukyomi.
2. total no of post does not determines the knowledge and common sense of a person and if thats so then seeing your total post you must be biggest troll and dumbest person on the earth as you know the manga is called "Naruto Shippuden" not "Sasugaay Shippuden".

not feeding

read manga or dont aruge plz

@bold, how t'f does that make sense to you? That's wayyy to general and being around wayyy too long to act like he was just a tool for some short time.

By that logic everyone who took part in the story in shippuden is a tool. Madara was just a tool for war arc. etc. etc.


OT: It doesn't take rocket science to know Madara sage is stronger than Obito Sage. Even just to watch the comparison of their transformation is proof to that.

use your brain and sort out what i said.

madara saved obito before obito

-became jin
-had kamui

but yet u kids want to ignore that and claim obito is better based on what madaraq allowed him to have.

smd I got yo back cuh lol

i dont need no help cuhz

 

[Wolfus]

1. no because i said so ya bish

2. your lacking manga knowledge, 12 yrd obito would have died w/o madara help

3. based on your total post sasuke will solo madara because you dont want him to



when will you learn that no one cares what you think its reality or the truth? your foolish and childish attmept to try and force it upon people is laughable.

ot- madara gave obito a second chance at life and a shat load of new abilites

BOLD- ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I AM DEFENDING THE SAME ****ING POINT AS YOU. And you said "because I said so" as an argument!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHH. That's it. You don't deserve to live.

 

[Bronze]

Madara was more powerful even without being Jinchuuriki.

 

[Da Best Ever]

1. sorry for the akatsuki part but still seeing on how nagato's feelings and peace loving guy he would never do things which obito made them do after ploting to kill of nagato

2. In the jubito vs naruto fight they helped him a little so they can help him in the final fight
and itachi himself told naruto to not take everything on yourself but take help from his friends and i think naruto respects what itachi said.

like i said obito only influenced nagato's ideals, by obito stopping the other akatsuki members from warning nagato and yahiko he let the outcome of nagato seeing how people really were influence, hence the reason why nagato went aroun telling everyone they need to share each others pain, obito didnt make nagato do anything, nagato chose to after those incidents but even as the whole akatsuki was going on nagato had different goals for the bijuu

k11 did not help naruto at all, hinata was the only one to intervene, neji lee, tenten, guy werent there and arrived late to the village, ino-shika-cho were scared as hell, kakashi was killed, kiba, shino were just talking about what was going on like everyone else and sasuke was fighting killer bee so what are u saying...

 

[AlphaScythian]

You got to be f*cking kidding me?
Current madara loses to MS OBITO? WHAT THE F*CK. He can't even harm madara, for god's sake.

Is that why obito was guarding himself against all attacks? Juubi jin dont get hurt? Moron

Madara didn't need kamui. Madara has sensing skills and the speed to react to obito's movement after the kamui. Is it so hard to understand? Obito would try to get madara, and due to SM sensing skills, plus rinnegan sensing skills, he will counter atack in the right time, and one shot obito.

Obito has sensing too, Yet he couldnt deal with FTG efficiently enough, But any counter madara may posses will be rendered useless by izanagi as obito can take damage freely.

More bijuus only result in more chakra? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So, the juubi is jsut ichibi with more chakra, rright? Same power?
God, you're dumb. More bijuus=more chakra, and more power. This is so f*cking obvious.

Juubi is 100% nature energy. No chakra gets stronger then that so yes idiot it only results in more chakra for madara.

Ah, really? His staff? Madara's clothes look more like hagoromo's. Clothes>staff. After all, it's a fake staff made of that black crap.
You're being stupid.

Rofl *****. You're the one using appearances as proof of power. Madara resembles sage but Obito is the one that uses black spheres like sage so my bet on Obito.

 

[Smd]

Are you f*cking stupid. I agreed with you read before you lash out, but calling someone who had an integral part in the story a tool is just dumb. Remember that Madara would have never gotten where he is not without Obito and would have been rotting away in a cavern.

He saved Obito because he was helpless and old. He's going to fail again anyways so don't hold your breath too long on him hun.

wtf are you talking about? re read your post kid

you went against plenty of what i said

how is that agreeing?

in your own post you proof that you didnt agree with me, how stupid can you be


ot- obito was what i said he was, he has no real purpose other than to fuel madara's will and do his bidding

 

[Joshutsu]

wtf are you talking about? re read your post kid

you went against plenty of what i said

how is that agreeing?

in your own post you proof that you didnt agree with me, how stupid can you be


ot- obito was what i said he was, he has no real purpose other than to fuel madara's will and do his bidding

@bold, how t'f does that make sense to you? That's wayyy to general and being around wayyy too long to act like he was just a tool for some short time.

By that logic everyone who took part in the story in shippuden is a tool. Madara was just a tool for war arc. etc. etc.


OT: It doesn't take rocket science to know Madara sage is stronger than Obito Sage. Even just to watch the comparison of their transformation is proof to that.

-.- Are you freakin kidding me right now. Me referring to Madara as a tool for war arc is when kabuto edo'd him.

I disagreed with you classing Obito as a mere tool NOT THE FACT THAT SAGE MADARA IS BETTER THAT SAGE OBITO.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Are you f*cking stupid. I agreed with you read before you lash out, but calling someone who had an integral part in the story a tool is just dumb. Remember that Madara would have never gotten where he is not without Obito and would have been rotting away in a cavern.

He saved Obito because he was helpless and old. He's going to fail again anyways so don't hold your breath too long on him hun.

what excatly did obito do for madara...all obito did was bring all the bijuu together to make it easy for madara basically...it was madara's plan, madara's goals, obito is alive beause of madara, so madara gave obito his life back without madara obito is a dead man, u fail to realize madara gave nagato his rinnegan before he rescued obito, had he never seen obito im sure he would have let zetsu clones pursue and persuade nagato into that goal, and madara is alive because of kabuto edo tensei on him and madara later did a few thing we all know about to be revived

 

[Smd]

-.- Are you freakin kidding me right now.

I disagreed with you classing Obito as a mere tool NOT THE FACT THAT SAGE MADARA IS BETTER THAT SAGE OBITO.

in what world does this prove you totally agreed with me?

but wait why am i agruing with you?

ot- you didnt agree, obito was a TOOL and had no real purpose but what i said.

 

[Retsu]

Is that why obito was guarding himself against all attacks? Juubi jin dont get hurt? Moron
Obito has sensing too, Yet he couldnt deal with FTG efficiently enough, But any counter madara may posses will be rendered useless by izanagi as obito can take damage freely.
Juubi is 100% nature energy. No chakra gets stronger then that so yes idiot it only results in more chakra for madara.
Rofl *****. You're the one using appearances as proof of power. Madara resembles sage but Obito is the one that uses black spheres like sage so my bet on Obito.

Boy you just lost all relevance in this post, you obviously have NO IDEA wtf you're talking about, and the bold is sooooooooo dumb, my iq dropped a few points from reading it. Congratulations, no one around here will ever take you serious again.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Boy you just lost all relevance in this post, you obviously have NO IDEA wtf you're talking about, and the bold is sooooooooo dumb, my iq dropped a few points from reading it. Congratulations, no one around here will ever take you serious again.

Sadly i found no counter to a bold here. I guess you dont have any. Why do you you even bother insulting me if you have no counter argument? You'll only embarrass yourself.

It was f*cking stated in the f*cking manga that only senjutsu can f*cking harm the f*cking juubi jin, wasn't it? WASN'T IT?

Rofl? Goddamn idiot. Obito was guarding himself against all attacks. SM is needed to counter onmyoudon. read manga again loser

Except that izanagi isn't unlimited, and madara will sense obito right after the jutsu takes effect, just like karin was tracking danzou. And, it's like. Madara has SM anda better mokuton,and sensing skills from the EMS and from the rinnegan. Obito wasn't able to act against FTG, madara was.

10 min of S/T barrage will eventually get madara, obito has intangibility to counter any action madara does after S/T.

You seriously don't deserve to live if you think that juubi(7 bijuu)= juubi(8,5 bijuu). More bijuu, more powerful chakra, more power. It's obvious.

Chakra is power more chakra is more power yes. But its only resylt in more endurance as jutsus dont use all chakra at once and its the chakra power that counts.

Madara had black spheres too. And the clothes aren't t even needed. You only require a f*cking brain to realize what's obvious. Something you lack, a brain.

Clothes isnt proof of power, you dont even need a brain to realize that.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Is that why obito was guarding himself against all attacks? Juubi jin dont get hurt? Moron
Obito has sensing too, Yet he couldnt deal with FTG efficiently enough, But any counter madara may posses will be rendered useless by izanagi as obito can take damage freely.
Juubi is 100% nature energy. No chakra gets stronger then that so yes idiot it only results in more chakra for madara.
Rofl *****. You're the one using appearances as proof of power. Madara resembles sage but Obito is the one that uses black spheres like sage so my bet on Obito.

your bet is obito because he used the black spheres but u forget madara just became the juubi jin he hadnt used the power of the sage yet...damn

also as of now we cant judge there power against each other but we can judge the intangibles like desire, ambition, drive and motivation which obito lacks and madara has in spades which is why he got all the bijuu in one gulp and it took obito several chapters not to get all the bijuu...

also it is well knw jinchuriki heal faster than normal, naruto has done so several times due to the kyuubi, it would be stupid for the juubi not to have the same effect on its host but on a much greater scale so u can save that obito was hurt stuff because upon becoming the jinchuriki he was healed and didnt show any signs of injury

 

[Wolfus]

yet you two kids remain in my thread posting spam and insults because your mad.

Cry more please



you kids amuse me, with your petty insults and meaningless thoughts/opionions

what the ****? He's defending your point. What the ****? Are you against yourself?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Probably, but we can't say it's a complete fact yet.

 

[Smd]

Sadly i found no counter to a bold here. I guess you dont have any. Why do you you even bother insulting me if you have no counter argument? You'll only embarrass yourself.
Rofl? Goddamn idiot. Obito was guarding himself against all attacks. SM is needed to counter onmyoudon. read manga again loser
10 min of S/T barrage will eventually get madara, obito has intangibility to counter any action madara does after S/T.
Chakra is power more chakra is more power yes. But its only resylt in more endurance as jutsus dont use all chakra at once and its the chakra power that counts.
Clothes isnt proof of power, you dont even need a brain to realize that.

if wolf thinks kamui is the reason obito beats madra then he is truly everything i think he is.


Obito doesnt have anything madara doesnt know/hasnt seen


madara on the other hand has plenty of trick up his sleeve.


p.s i think most these kids mad cuz i said sasuke would solo

You don't deserve to live. What country, what city, what neighborhood? I'll send someone.

I'm not joking anymore. Life is a gift, and stupid people like you don't deserve you. You just screw up an already f*cked up world. So, yeah, just die, and help the world a bit.

this proves everything ive said, and more

ot- logg before raging more and risk being banned for having a rage fit

 

[AlphaScythian]

your bet is obito because he used the black spheres but u forget madara just became the juubi jin he hadnt used the power of the sage yet...damn

It wasnt me conclude madara to be stronger based on looks alone. So dont lecture me.

also as of now we cant judge there power against each other but we can judge the intangibles like desire, ambition, drive and motivation which obito lacks and madara has in spades which is why he got all the bijuu in one gulp and it took obito several chapters not to get all the bijuu...

Obito didnt lack any of that he only had extra interest in testing naruto which was his downfall.

also it is well knw jinchuriki heal faster than normal, naruto has done so several times due to the kyuubi, it would be stupid for the juubi not to have the same effect on its host but on a much greater scale so u can save that obito was hurt stuff because upon becoming the jinchuriki he was healed and didnt show any signs of injury

Never said jins dont heal back, but a damage to the brain should work just fine.

 

[Retsu]

Sadly i found no counter to a bold here. I guess you dont have any. Why do you you even bother insulting me if you have no counter argument? You'll only embarrass yourself.
Rofl? Goddamn idiot. Obito was guarding himself against all attacks. SM is needed to counter onmyoudon. read manga again loser
10 min of S/T barrage will eventually get madara, obito has intangibility to counter any action madara does after S/T.
Chakra is power more chakra is more power yes. But its only resylt in more endurance as jutsus dont use all chakra at once and its the chakra power that counts.
Clothes isnt proof of power, you dont even need a brain to realize that.

I'm not gonna bother to counter your post because it's a waste of time, seriously you just pulled a bunch of facts straight outta your ass. it's not like you'd listen to anything I'd have to say, but seriously the bold I highlighted in your last post proves you know about as much about the manga as cockroach. Juubito has 7 tailed beast, Maddy has 9 tailed beast. it's as plain as day which one is stronger, your love of the character is blinding you from an obvious truth. Juubito could have taken on Maddy without the beast, but with them, he's WAAAAAY out of his league.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm not gonna bother to counter your post because it's a waste of time, seriously you just pulled a bunch of facts straight outta your ass. it's not like you'd listen to anything I'd have to say, but seriously the bold I highlighted in your last post proves you know about as much about the manga as cockroach. Juubito has 7 tailed beast, Maddy has 9 tailed beast. it's as plain as day which one is stronger, your love of the character is blinding you from an obvious truth. Juubito could have taken on Maddy without the beast, but with them, he's WAAAAAY out of his league.

By the amount of chakra or stamina yes madara is stronger however its too soon to judge on madara's performance as juubi jin to see if he is stronger.
But there was nothing wrong with my post. Madara only has more chakra but the quality of it was the same then its up to smart who will win.