Madara sage> Obito Sage

[Smd]

Because i said so and because madara is the superior character all together.

obito was just a tool used for shippuden+ War arc.

He should have died in that cave and was a fodder ninja w/o madara saving him and unlocking his MS.



But Sasuke will solo pretty soon and you all will quit manga+NB


That is all for now

 

[Flawž]

Madara has the edge, yes.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Obito had to go through several stages of transformations and had to think about Rin, Minato and kakashi to finally get to his rikudo mode. Madara did so right away. Also Obito was controlling a slightly weaker version of the Jyuubi. The difference in their strength is almost overwhelming. IMO

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Prime Hiruzen #DealWithIT

>Rikudo Madara > Jyuubito >= SM/Rinnegan Madara

 

[Flawž]

Obito had to go through several stages of transformations and had to think about Rin, Minato and kakashi to finally get to his rikudo mode. Madara did so right away. Also Obito was controlling a slightly weaker version of the Jyuubi. The difference in their strength is almost overwhelming. IMO

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Prime Hiruzen #DealWithIT

>Rikudo Madara > Jyuubito >= SM/Rinnegan Madara

Obito was on the verge of death while becoming a jin, madara was fully powered on Sage mode.

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[AlphaScythian]

We'll see about that.

 

[HiddenSound]

What a delightful thread.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

I thought this was a given.

 

[chintu234]

Because i said so and because madara is the superior character all together.

obito was just a tool used for shippuden+ War arc.

He should have died in that cave and was a fodder ninja w/o madara saving him and unlocking his MS.



But Sasuke will solo pretty soon and you all will quit manga+NB


That is all for now

1. not because you said so its because kishi made him that way
2. without obito madara would have died in that cave resulting in no akatsuki therefore no war and also minato would have lived.
3.Sasuke will never solo if madara is defeated it will be because of help of whole team 7 + other konoha teams.

 

[Wolfus]

We'll see about that.

Are you kidding me? Ah, you must.... Just.

I'm going to use a bit, just a little bit, of logic. I know it might sound too complex for many people, but I'll try to go slowly.

It's like this: Madara(alive, base) was more powerful than obito(base). He had a much more skilled mokuton(using wood dragon, for exemple, and flower tree world), he had an EMS(whereas obito only had an MS and he wasn't as skilled as madara when it's about using uchiha techs), which he could use very skillfully. That EMS even "naturally" evolved to a rinnegan. And he had hashirama's senjutsu amplifing all his powers.

Obito sealed a juubi that had 1-7 tails and a small part of the hachibi and kyuubi. Madara, on the other hand, sealed 1-8 tails in the gedo mazou and 50% of the kyuubi. 8,5>7, and as having more bijuus forming the juubi makes the juubi closer to the true form and makes it more powerful,plus considering the above, madara(jin)>obito(jin)

One evidence is that madara's "outfit" ressembles rikudou more than obito's "outfit".

So, based on this, we don't need feats to put madara above obito. In fact, madara gains all of obito's feats using the power of the juubi's jinchuriki.
He might show even more feats, considering that he has acess to the full, or almost full power of one eye rinnegan, and a more complete juubi.

 

[Anonn]

Are you kidding me? Ah, you must.... Just.

I'm going to use a bit, just a little bit, of logic. I know it might sound too complex for many people, but I'll try to go slowly.

It's like this: Madara(alive, base) was more powerful than obito(base). He had a much more skilled mokuton(using wood dragon, for exemple, and flower tree world), he had an EMS(whereas obito only had an MS and he wasn't as skilled as madara when it's about using uchiha techs), which he could use very skillfully. That EMS even "naturally" evolved to a rinnegan. And he had hashirama's senjutsu amplifing all his powers.

Obito sealed a juubi that had 1-7 tails and a small part of the hachibi and kyuubi. Madara, on the other hand, sealed 1-8 tails in the gedo mazou and 50% of the kyuubi. 8,5>7, and as having more bijuus forming the juubi makes the juubi closer to the true form and makes it more powerful,plus considering the above, madara(jin)>obito(jin)

One evidence is that madara's "outfit" ressembles rikudou more than obito's "outfit".

So, based on this, we don't need feats to put madara above obito. In fact, madara gains all of obito's feats using the power of the juubi's jinchuriki.
He might show even more feats, considering that he has acess to the full, or almost full power of one eye rinnegan, and a more complete juubi.

Thank you for solo'ing this thread again! _O_

 

[Seventh Sama]

what the hell can sasuke do against madara? Get impaled by his own sword again? Lol

 

[Smd]

1. not because you said so its because kishi made him that way
2. without obito madara would have died in that cave resulting in no akatsuki therefore no war and also minato would have lived.
3.Sasuke will never solo if madara is defeated it will be because of help of whole team 7 + other konoha teams.

1. no because i said so ya bish

2. your lacking manga knowledge, 12 yrd obito would have died w/o madara help

3. based on your total post sasuke will solo madara because you dont want him to

Are you kidding me? Ah, you must.... Just.

I'm going to use a bit, just a little bit, of logic. I know it might sound too complex for many people, but I'll try to go slowly.

It's like this: Madara(alive, base) was more powerful than obito(base). He had a much more skilled mokuton(using wood dragon, for exemple, and flower tree world), he had an EMS(whereas obito only had an MS and he wasn't as skilled as madara when it's about using uchiha techs), which he could use very skillfully. That EMS even "naturally" evolved to a rinnegan. And he had hashirama's senjutsu amplifing all his powers.

Obito sealed a juubi that had 1-7 tails and a small part of the hachibi and kyuubi. Madara, on the other hand, sealed 1-8 tails in the gedo mazou and 50% of the kyuubi. 8,5>7, and as having more bijuus forming the juubi makes the juubi closer to the true form and makes it more powerful,plus considering the above, madara(jin)>obito(jin)

One evidence is that madara's "outfit" ressembles rikudou more than obito's "outfit".

So, based on this, we don't need feats to put madara above obito. In fact, madara gains all of obito's feats using the power of the juubi's jinchuriki.
He might show even more feats, considering that he has acess to the full, or almost full power of one eye rinnegan, and a more complete juubi.

when will you learn that no one cares what you think its reality or the truth? your foolish and childish attmept to try and force it upon people is laughable.

ot- madara gave obito a second chance at life and a shat load of new abilites

 

[Anonn]

1. no because i said so ya bish

2. your lacking manga knowledge, 12 yrd obito would have died w/o madara help

3. based on your total post sasuke will solo madara because you dont want him to



when will you learn that no one cares what you think its reality or the truth? your foolish and childish attmept to try and force it upon people is laughable.

ot- madara gave obito a second chance at life and a shat load of new abilites

Why you keep ignoring me? Cause I am solo'ing you?

 

[AlphaScythian]

It's like this: Madara(alive, base) was more powerful than obito(base). He had a much more skilled mokuton(using wood dragon, for exemple, and flower tree world), he had an EMS(whereas obito only had an MS and he wasn't as skilled as madara when it's about using uchiha techs), which he could use very skillfully. That EMS even "naturally" evolved to a rinnegan. And he had hashirama's senjutsu amplifing all his powers.

Madara never had kamui and yet to show a counter to it even in jin form.

Obito sealed a juubi that had 1-7 tails and a small part of the hachibi and kyuubi. Madara, on the other hand, sealed 1-8 tails in the gedo mazou and 50% of the kyuubi. 8,5>7, and as having more bijuus forming the juubi makes the juubi closer to the true form and makes it more powerful,plus considering the above, madara(jin)>obito(jin)

Obito was near death when he sealed juubi, madara wasnt and had SM on top. More bijus only result in more chakra.

One evidence is that madara's "outfit" ressembles rikudou more than obito's "outfit".

Obito's staff is just like Hagoromo's.

So, based on this, we don't need feats to put madara above obito. In fact, madara gains all of obito's feats using the power of the juubi's jinchuriki.
He might show even more feats, considering that he has acess to the full, or almost full power of one eye rinnegan, and a more complete juubi.

Current madara still loses to MS Obito using kamui+izanagi combo, until he get another eye and can fight izanagi with one.

Somehow obito didnt get all nagato's feats cuz he had rinnegan, appearance alone doesnt make madara stronger.

 

[Souji]

No feats, Lol

 

[Sageof7Path]

Because i said so and because madara is the superior character all together.

obito was just a tool used for shippuden+ War arc.

He should have died in that cave and was a fodder ninja w/o madara saving him and unlocking his MS.



But Sasuke will solo pretty soon and you all will quit manga+NB


That is all for now

Man... well I don't think Madara is better than Obito all together. At least not a stronger will after all we saw the difference in their wills when Obito was nearly dead and Madara tried to control Obito by via senju cells to revive himself. Even with Obito nearly dead and half of his body made up of cells that hashirama could use to control him he was still able to resist Madaras control and in turn become the 10 tails jin. That's the first thing, when it comes to who's will is stronger in accordance with accomplishing his goals In terms of will pwoer Obito is much stronger as made clear from the evidence provided in the manga. Also Obito was not just a tool. He was a very important part of the story and the main antagonist who should have continued to be the main antagonist. If anything Madara was just a tool used for the story to give Obito an excuse to start the war. Yes Madara does have a reputar of jutsus but you have to remember that alot of those jutsus are stolen and if the manga made sense Madara would have been revived as old madara.

As far as who's stronger I think it's definitely Obito until we see what Madara does with his new found power this manga fact will remain the same. We saw Obito do alot while being 10 tails host. Rather it be from taking on the entire shinobi aliance including hashirama bijuu sage mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke and Madara spitting out the 10 tails and summoning sword Obito so far has many feats that are much > Madara. I don't think Madara will get as far as Obito did because Kishimoto probably doesn't want to over saturate the manga. It would honestly be just an over kill if Madara tried to do the exact same thing Obito did. Obito wasn't actually defeated he was distracted and had the bijuu pulled from him. I think this time there will actually be a fight between the J. Jinn and Naruto. I really believe that Kishimoto is planning on having Naruto beat Madara one on one like in an epic final battle. If this does happen it will mean that Madara was actually < than Obito as a jubi host depending on how strong Naruto will become if he gets a power up because Naruto did not defeat Obito with out a LOT of help. Point is wait and see who's stronger and compare feats.

 

[Da Best Ever]

1. not because you said so its because kishi made him that way
2. without obito madara would have died in that cave resulting in no akatsuki therefore no war and also minato would have lived.
3.Sasuke will never solo if madara is defeated it will be because of help of whole team 7 + other konoha teams.

2. wrong, madara had already given his rinnegan to nagato before he rescued obito and the akatsuki was formed without obito, he might have influenced the way they acted but the 3 amegakure orphans were going to create the akatsuki regardless...

3. i highly doubt u believe the other k11 members and other konoha teams will beat madara, they couldnt beat edo madara, most likely hashirama's plan for sasuke will work and madara will be tnj because there is no power greater than his at this moment, and there is no power close to his at the moment, there isnt going to be any ass whooping of madara, tnj will come into play

 

[chintu234]

1. no because i said so ya bish

2. your lacking manga knowledge, 12 yrd obito would have died w/o madara help

3. based on your total post sasuke will solo madara because you dont want him to

1. without obito i dont know who would help madara.....because as zetsu said obito could use senju techs very fluently because he potential and without him there would be no one else madara could ask for help for the infinite tasukyomi.
2. total no of post does not determines the knowledge and common sense of a person and if thats so then seeing your total post you must be biggest troll and dumbest person on the earth as you know the manga is called "Naruto Shippuden" not "Sasugaay Shippuden".

 

[Joshutsu]

Because i said so and because madara is the superior character all together.

obito was just a tool used for shippuden+ War arc.

He should have died in that cave and was a fodder ninja w/o madara saving him and unlocking his MS.



But Sasuke will solo pretty soon and you all will quit manga+NB


That is all for now

@bold, how t'f does that make sense to you? That's wayyy to general and being around wayyy too long to act like he was just a tool for some short time.

By that logic everyone who took part in the story in shippuden is a tool. Madara was just a tool for war arc. etc. etc.


OT: It doesn't take rocket science to know Madara sage is stronger than Obito Sage. Even just to watch the comparison of their transformation is proof to that.

 

[Champ]

Man... well I don't think Madara is better than Obito all together. At least not a stronger will after all we saw the difference in their wills when Obito was nearly dead and Madara tried to control Obito by via senju cells to revive himself. Even with Obito nearly dead and half of his body made up of cells that hashirama could use to control him he was still able to resist Madaras control and in turn become the 10 tails jin. That's the first thing, when it comes to who's will is stronger in accordance with accomplishing his goals In terms of will pwoer Obito is much stronger as made clear from the evidence provided in the manga. Also Obito was not just a tool. He was a very important part of the story and the main antagonist who should have continued to be the main antagonist. If anything Madara was just a tool used for the story to give Obito an excuse to start the war. Yes Madara does have a reputar of jutsus but you have to remember that alot of those jutsus are stolen and if the manga made sense Madara would have been revived as old madara.

As far as who's stronger I think it's definitely Obito until we see what Madara does with his new found power this manga fact will remain the same. We saw Obito do alot while being 10 tails host. Rather it be from taking on the entire shinobi aliance including hashirama bijuu sage mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke and Madara spitting out the 10 tails and summoning sword Obito so far has many feats that are much > Madara. I don't think Madara will get as far as Obito did because Kishimoto probably doesn't want to over saturate the manga. It would honestly be just an over kill if Madara tried to do the exact same thing Obito did. Obito wasn't actually defeated he was distracted and had the bijuu pulled from him. I think this time there will actually be a fight between the J. Jinn and Naruto. I really believe that Kishimoto is planning on having Naruto beat Madara one on one like in an epic final battle. If this does happen it will mean that Madara was actually < than Obito as a jubi host depending on how strong Naruto will become if he gets a power up because Naruto did not defeat Obito with out a LOT of help. Point is wait and see who's stronger and compare feats.

it took Madara one page to take control of the Juubi amd advance it into the second stage. Obito forgot who he was when he first absorbed the Juubi. So willpower Madara > Obito. Madara basically has all the abilities Obito had as the Juubi but add Sage mode, Perfect Susano'o.. Obito didn't use the Rinnegan at all, but we know Madara will. He is clearly stronger