No, FTG is different from Shunshin. Its been explained in the DB. The scans that refers FTG is Shunshin is mistranslated. Viz is most accurate and none of its scans says FTG is Shunshin. The bold is irrelevant as Minato himself marked the area after he made it there with his his Shunshin/speed.
Minato's FTG vs Tobirama's FTG
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FTG is different from shunshin, I said that on the thread. But teleportation jutsu is shunshin. FTG is mentioned in NV as space time ninjutsu, not as teleportation. See the battle with tobi(naruto, kakashi, hinata, sakura, kiba, shino vc tobi), in which shino states that teleportation is just high speed movement, so, shunshin.
In the viz scan , FTG is not even mentioned. It's mentioned teleportation.
And minato's mark is different from tobirama's, as we've seen, and they can't teleport to each other's mark, as seen in the battle with obito JM.
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Shunshin is high movement. It was never said its teleportation. The Databook explains it:
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Its a high movement nothing more. Are you kidding me? space time Ninjutsu has always been teleportation. Summoning Jutsu, FTG and Kamui. They are all teleportation. Don't care about that battle as i said, it was mistranslated. Viz translates FTG as teleporation. Tobirama says teleportation referring to FTG because that is the technique he and Minato use to teleport. What part of that do you not understand?
Because Minato's Chakra is identical to Tobirama's Chakra huh?
Yeah, keep on ignoring facts.
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It's in here as well. 3 names, right corner, below the image. Teleportation jutsu is one of the names given to shunshin.
Also, stated by shino in here.
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Then, kakashi thinks "so it's a space time ninjutsu?!". So, in NV, teleportation isn't considered as warping space time, as stated above.
And there is the fact that minato's and tobirama's marks are different. In the battle against obito JM, tobirama had to teleport minato to obito, because minato couldn't teleport himself to tobirama's mark.
It's basic logic.
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Tobirama didn't have a mark on the batlefield, so he couldn't use FTG to get there. Minato's mark is different, and as we saw, they can't teleport to other mark. It's actually very, very simple.
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This is what's meant by Shadow Clones being slower.
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you can see that Tobirama held the orb for a few seconds and then jumped via Hiraishin. However, when he actually teleported, there was no delay, there was only a delay before he executed the technique.Shunshin no Jutsu is both referred to as Teleportation Jutsu and Body Flicker Technique in Viz translations. You can check it out
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in the Wiki underneath the picture of Jiraiya and Kakashi on the right-hand side.If Minato had a marking on the battlefield, he would have teleported all the Hokage along with him seeing as time was of the essence.
Avinash012
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As far as I know in Viz Shunshin = Teleportation and FTG = Flying Raigin so I guess Tobirama said that Minato's shunshin is better than his own.
Regardless,Tobirama admitted that his FTG is inferior and FTG's speed is not always same as stated by Tobirama in this scan
Regardless,Tobirama admitted that his FTG is inferior and FTG's speed is not always same as stated by Tobirama in this scan
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YellowFang
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Simply means that a shadow clone's initiating time for transportation is more than the original...
Avinash012
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Sorry for any misunderstandings but I didn't said that Minato's FTG is faster I said FTG's speed is not always same which was supported by that scan.
Minato's FTG is superior to Tobirama in one way or another but it doesn't mean that it is better than Tobirama's FTG interms of speed though.
I don't get ur point here.
Plz elaborate.
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YellowFang
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The FTG technique is instantaneous. You can't be faster than instantaneous. However, one could be more skilled in using FTG technique, and I'm guessing that Minato is the most skilled one here and thus making it seem as if he is faster which is false.
Actually, there is no such thing as instantaneous. It's just that the time it takes is so ridiculously small that it can't be notice or can't even be considered. So, when this happens, is called instantaneous.
In this situation, however, both techniques, both FTGs are like that, so both are "instantaneous".
And I think minato is more skilled with FTG because he displayed faster reactions and speeds. So his atacks and movements after FTG are better than tobirama's.
No one has seen Juubito move to that point. And if I was not mistaken, Hashirama and Tobirama were talking to each other before hand. So while in mid blitz by the fastest character seen, Tobirama tagged him five times. Fastest reaction feat in the manga to date.
So is alive Minato's. He only did that because of Naruto as a medium.
You don't know that. Tobirama marked his sword against Izuna via Hiraishingiri, so who is to say he never marked a kunai? Lol
No. If anything Tobirama has better or equal reflexes to Minato.
He said with clones. Minato has faster shunshin, but their Hiraishin is the same speed. Better does not mean faster.
It is slower with clones for some reason, maybe the time it takes for the original to send info to the clone or something.
Sennin of Logic
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If that's the case, then Tobirama could have been referring to either or both. Regardless, he said "better" in the viz scan, so I'm going with activation speed (time before jutsu is cast). Just because they didn't get there through FTG, doesn't mean that Minato and Tobirama didn't previously compare their techniques, just saying.
MinatoTheYellowFlash
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You solo'd your own thread....well actually I did because I thought it up...to tell you lol.
Tobirama said its too slow to slow and isn't instant when you use clones.
When Minato used his clone jutsu and FTG to slash Obito, it was instant.
Which means Minato > Tobirama if I do say so myself. Tobirama was stating that from his perspective not Minato's, though he wanted it to use it with Minato because he would have gotten killed and reacted to with his clone and FTG.
Though Minato did get slashed by Obito, but unless Obito move is instant (which it isn't) then nothing can counter FTG:
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But to be honest I'm completely confused atm with FTG and body flicker....because Rin called Minato's FTG body flicker, Tobirama does, and idk man. But I think Minato's is one and the same....maybe even a combination of the two :/
Just like Tobirama's "FTG" slash you know?
KingHashirama
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So what people want to tell me is someone with more experience with FTG (Tobirama) is weaker than someone with less experience? Are joking me?
Oh also as for the "shunshin" argument, Tobirama stated Minato was faster than his current self.
Also, people wanking over "Tobirama was confused"... yes people stating something that you shocked about and saw someone else using the same technique as you is completely getting confused. Because hey we just can't be surprised that we saw someone doing the samething as , we just have to be confused. (referring to Tobirama commenting on Minato using FTG with clone.)
Typical Minato Wank. Its funny how Edo feats are being used for living Minato. ^_^.
Oh also as for the "shunshin" argument, Tobirama stated Minato was faster than his current self.
Also, people wanking over "Tobirama was confused"... yes people stating something that you shocked about and saw someone else using the same technique as you is completely getting confused. Because hey we just can't be surprised that we saw someone doing the samething as , we just have to be confused. (referring to Tobirama commenting on Minato using FTG with clone.)
Typical Minato Wank. Its funny how Edo feats are being used for living Minato. ^_^.