Madara and The Sage...

[KingHashirama]

He ate the tree's fruit?

 

[iNotorious]

...Too bad its true.



The information we got about him can possibly proven wrong if his character is revealed. Remember how the Juubi before introduced was said to be this absolute destruction that swallows mountains, splits occasions and a complete god. Yet when it revived, it was a complete joke compared to what it was hyped to be. Hiruzen was apparently this strongest Hokage and Kage and all, yet he isn't even all that.

Point is, we have to use common sense rather than baseless hype which may be proven wrong later.

It could be true.

 

[HiddenSound]

He ate the tree's fruit?

He was born with the power of the fruit.

 

[KingHashirama]

He was born with the power of the fruit.

Just like Madara was to?

 

[HiddenSound]

Just like Madara was to?

You do realize there are different levels of power, right?

 

[Bronze]

@bold, We're playing that card are we, Madara Rules?
Madara automatically has all the Sage's feats? Don't know if you've been paying attention, but he actually doesn't.

And The Sage does not have Sage Mode? rofl

My username does not matter if you cant counter FODDER.
Because he actually can do all of them and shown them.

- 6 paths Rinnegan [

You must be registered for see links

].
- Moon equals to infinite Tsukuyomi, since the latter can scale his Genjutsu to the earth's size. Not to mention he has the black orbs which he can use reshape the world. He can create the moon if he wishes to,
-C.O.A.T > Zetsu.

So we're going to give the Sage the feats of Hashirama+Naruto+Kabuto+Jiraiya? Get a Manga scan or STFU.

 

[Bronze]

Also, I don't understand why people think Yin Kurama will make a big difference for Juubi. Its already shown that it can be regenerated.

 

[HiddenSound]

My username does not matter if you cant counter FODDER.
Because he actually can do all of them and shown them.

- 6 paths Rinnegan [

You must be registered for see links

].
- Moon equals to infinite Tsukuyomi, since the latter can scale his Genjutsu to the earth's size. Not to mention he has the black orbs which he can use reshape the world. He can create the moon if he wishes to,
-C.O.A.T > Zetsu.

So we're going to give the Sage the feats of Hashirama+Naruto+Kabuto+Jiraiya? Get a Manga scan or STFU.

You implied I'm biased because I "hate" Madara. So I played the "you're biased. Just look at yourself" card. Pretty simple to grasp, right?
lol Are you actually calling me fodder? And in caps to. Is that overused NB jargon supposed to hurt my feelings?

Anywho,
-He does have Jutsu that belongs to the Sage, never denied that. What I have denied, is that they share every Jutsu.
-The Juubi, the God Tree, can do Infinite Tsukuyomi under Obito and Madara's control. The second sentence... Did you just make that up?
-did you make that part up to?

No. Never said that either. However, I did say the Sage of Six Paths had Sage Mode.

 

[Bronze]

You implied I'm biased because I "hate" Madara. So I played the "you're biased. Just look at yourself" card. Pretty simple to grasp, right?
lol Are you actually calling me fodder? And in caps to. Is that overused NB jargon supposed to hurt my feelings?

Anywho,
-He does have Jutsu that belongs to the Sage, never denied that. What I have denied, is that they share every Jutsu.
-The Juubi, the God Tree, can do Infinite Tsukuyomi under Obito and Madara's control. The second sentence... Did you just make that up?
-surprise surprise, another assumption.

No. Never said that either. However, I did say the Sage of Six Paths had Sage Mode.

-And he does ACCORDING to the Manga. If you disagree, then truth does hurt.
-Not really, because Obito was utilizing the same sword Rikudou had made from the black orb substance, which Madara possess [

You must be registered for see links

]. The same sword hyped to destroy the world [

You must be registered for see links

]. The earth > moon. What's so hard to grasp?
-Not sure if stupid or in denial. Yin Yang was result of Zetsu's creation according to Madara. Yin Yang = C.O.A.T.

So your evidence is he was called a Sage. Guess what, Nagato was called a Sage and he didn't have SM [

You must be registered for see links

]. Speculation after another as usual HiddenSound.

 

[HiddenSound]

-And he does ACCORDING to the Manga. If you disagree, then truth does hurt.
-Not really, because Obito was utilizing the same sword Rikudou had made from the black orb substance, which Madara possess [

You must be registered for see links

]. The same sword hyped to destroy the world [

You must be registered for see links

]. The earth > moon. What's so hard to grasp?
-Not sure if stupid or in denial. Yin Yang was result of Zetsu's creation according to Madara. Yin Yang = C.O.A.T.

So your evidence is he was called a Sage. Guess what, Nagato was called a Sage and he didn't have SM [

You must be registered for see links

]. Speculation after another as usual HiddenSound.

-show me where?
-we talkin' 'bout the same sword that was shattered to pieces the second after it was hyped to destroy the world? That same one? Or was there another one I'm not aware of? Hmm.
-sorry, I must've skipped over that part as I was pretty disinterested. Anyway, I concede that "Inyoton" was involved. However, again, Madara and the Sage are two different people at two different levels. While Madara is close, simply blurting out that Madara can do anything the Sage can is premature as of now. Hopefully Madara will get a feat or two.
Inyoton being involved with Zetsu's creation makes it less impressive. I always figured he did from scratch using purely scientific methods. Oh well. At least now that's one more reason why Orochimaru is more intelligent than Madara Lol

I wonder what Sage Mode could have possibly been named after? You're right, I bet there's absolutely no connection
Speculation? The pot calling the kettle black, right?
Now, our conversation is unfortunately over. Sleep, and school, you understand.

 

[Bronze]

-show me where?
-we talkin' 'bout the same sword that was shattered to pieces the second after it was hyped to destroy the world? That same one? Or was there another one I'm not aware of? Hmm.
-sorry, I must've skipped over that part as I was pretty disinterested. Anyway, I concede that "Inyoton" was involved. However, again, Madara and the Sage are two different people at two different levels. While Madara is close, simply blurting out that Madara can do anything the Sage can is premature as of now. Hopefully Madara will get a feat or two.
Inyoton being involved with Zetsu's creation makes it less impressive. I always figured he did from scratch using purely scientific methods. Oh well. At least now that's one more reason why Orochimaru is more intelligent than Madara Lol

I wonder what Sage Mode could have possibly been named after? You're right, I bet there's absolutely no connection
Speculation? The pot calling the kettle black, right?
Now, our conversation is unfortunately over. Sleep, and school, you understand.

-Read my sig. He is called second Rikudou Sennin confirmed in the VIZ. That makes him able to do anything.
-You must have a thick head. That's why you don't understand when discussing. Madara destroying the world equals him to create a moon.
-Just like how SO6P C.A.O.T was involving Juubi's Chakra.

Then i accept your defeat. When you discuss, do it in a logical way. And you're right, this conversation is over. Cant take fodders beyond serious.

 

[HiddenSound]

-Read my sig. He is called second Rikudou Sennin confirmed in the VIZ. That makes him able to do anything.
-You must have a thick head. That's why you don't understand when discussing. Madara destroying the world equals him to create a moon.
-Just like how SO6P C.A.O.T was involving Juubi's Chakra.

Then i accept your defeat. When you discuss, do it in a logical way. And you're right, this conversation is over. Cant take fodders beyond serious.

Okay, I'm sorry, you pulled me back in...

-blatant fanboying
-um, Madara hasn't done either of those things, and those are not equivalents. Not at all lol
-...okay?

Goddamn, I think I'm having a taste of Kidgamer's pain. You take yourself too seriously, can't see past your own blind fanboyism and get that confused with fact, and have succumbed to using the childish NB jargon. You're a damn joke if I've ever seen one Lol
Now, I'm done with this little pissing match.

 

[Shinigami King]

I wish sage would come back just so we could really see his power

If Naruto ended with the Sage somehow being revived and soloing Madara, and restoring peace in the most cliché way possible I would still be okay with it. How to make it better is if the Sage just let Madara attack him a few times before one jutsuing him in the most OP way possible.

 

[Harry Balzac]

My eyes bled as I read the OP. Can it get any worst LOL? NONE save the left rinnegan play any factor into madara's strength. You always try to discredit madara, but somehow he always manages to stick one up your ass doesn't he?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Juubi Jin Hagoromo >= Juubi Jin Madara
Juubiless Hagoromo >= Juubiless(SM and Rinnegan) Madara

Nothing more or less, just deal with it

 

[The Western Wheel]

You're making a baseless outcome.

The feats you listed Rikudou performed, Madara can do all of them now that he has the Juubi's power. But knowing you and your hate for Madara, it is not to be expected.

On the contrary, Sage does not have Sage mode, so he cannot do any damage to Jin Madara, while Madara can.

1. Not yet shown
2. It's most likely that "the" Sage had sage mode. I kind a incline to not think differently.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It's not about madara being stronger than the sage. It's about the sage being featless to the point that naruto and sasuke could probably repeat what they did, on obito, on him.

BTW, for the sage, You forgot to add "No knowledge of any jutsu currently existing". Shit like PS-Kurama would take him for a ride.

 

[The Western Wheel]

It's not about madara being stronger than the sage. It's about the sage being featless to the point that naruto and sasuke could probably repeat what they did, on obito, on him.

BTW, for the sage, You forgot to add "No knowledge of any jutsu currently existing". Shit like PS-Kurama would take him for a ride.

Or he would just cancel out all jutsu thrown at him. The fact that he didn't was a power-crazy madman(most likely) set to take over the world, tells me he was most likely kind and peaceful by heart.

Kinda like a Yoda from Star Wars, just cancels most things and restores balance.

 

[kunde]

True. . Madara currently missing an eye and 1/2 kyuubi's chakra puts him beneath the Sage. .

When Madara can create something as big as moon without being Juubi's jinchuriki then only people will accept that he's at sage's level. . otherwise simply NO. .

And people who are saying that Madara is now equal to six paths fanboying thats all. .

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiddensound, you're definately one of the more intelligent of the base.

Madara has:
2nd best mokuton
One rinnegan eye that is only on par with Nagato's.
Strongest ems
8.5/9 of the biju in him
Strongest sage mode

Sage:
full jubi
Strongest Rinnegan
sage's tools
all five chakra natures
Probably a sage mode since the Jubi was weak to it.

Madara is definately the strongest besides the sage though.

The Juubi regenerates to its original form despite it not having all the Bijuu, meaning the Juubi that Obito absorbed, the one Madara absorbed, and the one Rikudo absorbed are all at the same strength. It only goes through transformations and takes in energy in order to return to its full power in the case that its missing a Bijuu.

And Madara's Rinnegan is clearly shown to be stronger than Nagato's, this much was clear ever since it was revealed Madara is the one who awakened it.

-Do you see Nagato freezing people in mid air?

-Do you see Nagato sealing all 9 Bijuu in an instant with the Rinnegan's power alone?

-Do you see Nagato using Rinbo Hengoku?

No. No, and No.

Though the power of eyes always depends on the user, so Rikudo's Rinnegan usage would be stronger than Madara's.


As for the topic, agreed. Rikudo beats Madara and anyone saying otherwise is just wanking. The scale between their abilities is just too large. Any Madara supporter needs to call me when he can make a moon on his deathbed after removing the Juubi from his body. People say Madara can do such now, but that's irrelevant as he'd only match one of Rikudo's feats from his weakest state in life. Jin Rikudo is obviously much stronger.