[Theory] Elder Son Dōjutsu

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An anomaly in the series at this point, as is much of the back story regarding Rikudou and either of his sons. There are some indications to how this particular Dojutsu came about. The largest indication is the markings around the eyes of the Elder Son.

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Notice how pronounced they are. It isn’t like Kimmimaro, who had similar markings, but nowhere near as pronounced. They were put there for a reason. And given the nature of the Elder Son, he most likely wanted to gain more power in order to trounce his brother’s will of love and to prove that his power (His eyes and Senjutsu use) could trump his brothers (and indirectly prove that his path to peace would be the correct one).

It is not the Rin’negan

A common misconception that people hold on to is that the Elder Son didn’t have a distinct Dojutsu, and it was merely the Rinnegan. That is incorrect. The Rin’negan is rooted within the Juubi’s chakra through and through, and only by reconvening Rikudou’s bloodline (Senju+Uchiha) can one have the Rinnegan at their disposal (and that’s not even factoring in the Juubi and the high possibility that someone with no Dojutsu could have the Rinnegan from its chakra). The Elder Son could not have had the Rinnegan as he lacked the supplementing Yang of his Younger brother to transform his eyes.

Now, how did it arise? I have a hypothesis that I want to share, and it does tie in to Sasuke, as the points after this will reference his ability to awaken it based on this hypothesis. We’ve seen that Uchiha have dominant Yin in their bodies. Quite obvious, as the Elder Son inherited Rikudou’s Yin (which is essentially the Juubi’s Yin as well). We know that if you add dominant Yang in the form of Senju DNA, an Uchiha’s eyes become the Rinnegan. But what if you add a different type of chakra? Like… Senjutsu? (Sage chakra) We know that users of Sennin Modo have had their eyes change very distinctively both in pupil shape and markings surrounding the eyes. Now, what if a Dojutsu user, who hasn’t ascended to the Rinnegan, has Senjutsu influencing their body (and essentially their eyes)? I’d gauge to say that this would be the catalyst for a change in Sasuke’s eyes that isn’t the Rin’negan (which isn’t going to happen at all) and would give rise to the Elder Son’s original eyes.

How will Sasuke awaken it?

Sasuke has achieved the peak of the known Uchiha Dojutsu; the Eien No Mangekyou Sharingan. However, there are some outstanding factors in place in the manga that can influence the awakening of the ESD.

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“This is a technique to bind him in response to that” (Referencing the Senjutsu Madara stole)

So clearly, this technique (not DNA) that Hashirama gave Sasuke will react to Senjutsu. Now… who around Sasuke has an affinity/affiliation to Senjutsu naturally, and has given him his flesh before… that’s right! Juugo. This is another case where Juugo will need to transfer his life force via his flesh (like in the battle against Kirabi) in order to help/save Sasuke, who is in a dire situation.

This is where I believe the catalytic nature of Hashirama’s technique will come in. Juugo’s flesh (which will now be in more abundance within Sasuke) will react to Hashirama’s technique (chakra) and Sasuke will be able to balance nature energy in order to achieve Sennin Modo (the mode will most likely be a more complete version of the one granted at Ryuchido as Kabuto had many modifications done to his body that were lacking in human nature).

The normal effects will transpire (all the abilities and benefits) but once Sasuke uses his Eien No Mangekyou, it will transform in to the ESD, and in conjunction with the markings around his eyes, he will be a near spitting image of the Elder son, nigh the long wavy hair.

Not only is this extremely beneficial for Sasuke, it adheres to the current situation. Madara as a Jinchuriki now only has one weakness; Senjutsu. And this is why Sasuke will need Senjutsu to combat Madara.

The particular benefactors regarding the abilities it grants are still outstanding. But Sasuke will basically be the peak of the Yin (Elder Son) and will have Sennin Modo to boost everything in power, size, efficiency etc. Being the peak of Yin will most likely grant Sasuke massive boosts to every Genjutsu he uses. The prospect of time manipulation that I’ve talked about before may become a reality, depending on the nature of the ESD. And in all actuality, with boosts from Sennin Modo and being the peak of Yin chakra, Sasuke’s Perfect Susano’o will most likely supersede Madara’s in size.

Sasuke is not getting the Rin’negan

Another commonly spouted misconception on the base. Chakra is temporary, and is the same for everyone. The only difference is the amount one person can wield, and the potency of it. Hashirama’s chakra is just very abundant for himself. But it doesn’t contain the benefits that his cells give; Life force and Massive reserves and ability to use Mokuton. The momentary use of a jutsu for Sasuke will not grant Sasuke the necessary pre-requisites to awaken the Rin’negan. Not only that, but the Rin’negan is redundant in the hands of Sasuke against Madara, as Madara is more experienced with it, can counter it all, and it wouldn’t let Sasuke surpass Madara, as Madara still has Sennin Modo and Mokuton (discounting Juubi Jin at this moment). Kishimoto can squeeze in abilities granted by the ESD that help Sasuke counter Madara in some way shape or form, but he can’t do that with the Rin’negan.


Indicative foreshadowing

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That page is directly from Kishimoto. Not only this, but we all know Orochimaru wanted Sasuke body, not only for the prospect of gaining the Rinnegan, but a body that could utilize Sennin Modo. That alone is a huge point in Sasuke's favor to gain Sennin Modo, as the most intelligent person in the manga believed his body was perfect to utilize Senjutsu.
 
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I agree with your theory and also sasuke and naruto represent the sage's sons so it makes sense that sasuke gets the elder sons eyes
 

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I agree with your theory and also sasuke and naruto represent the sage's sons so it makes sense that sasuke gets the elder sons eyes

Thank you, but that's not really what I was getting at. They don't represent the sons, as Naruto is not a Senju, and Uzumaki's are not descendants of the Younger Son. Sasuke getting the ESD via Sennin Modo would also contradict the interpretation that you believe to be true regarding Naruto and Sasuke.
 

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Good thread. I'd add this page though;

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And look in Caterpillar's discussion in the Sasuke group. Orochimaru seems to want Sasuke's body not only because of the Sharingan, but because he would need a strong enough body for a Sennin Modo as well. It's been foreshadowed that Sasuke will gain his own Sennin Modo which would also result in him awakening the ESD;

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Thank you, but that's not really what I was getting at. They don't represent the sons, as Naruto is not a Senju, and Uzumaki's are not descendants of the Younger Son. Sasuke getting the ESD via Sennin Modo would also contradict the interpretation that you believe to be true regarding Naruto and Sasuke.[/FONT
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Oh yeah I forgot about sorry :sweat:but anyways nice theory
 

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Good thread. I'd add this page though;

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And look in Caterpillar's discussion in the Sasuke group. Orochimaru seems to want Sasuke's body not only because of the Sharingan, but because he would need a strong enough body for a Sennin Modo as well. It's been foreshadowed that Sasuke will gain his own Sennin Modo which would also result in him awakening the ESD;

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If I may say so myself, the Elder Sons eyes look amazing on Sasuke, far better than the Rinnegan would look on him. And that is a good point. Orochimaru wanting Sasuke's body for Sennin Modo as well kind of adheres to the fact that Sasuke can undoubtedly gain it in the future. Thank you for the additional information. It has been added to the OP.
 

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Excellent read.

The only part where I diverge from your thinking is the manner in which Sasuke will obtain Sennin Mode. I actually don't think that Juugo will be involved (directly) with the process. The foot at the end of chapter 663 almost certainly belongs to Kabuto. Like Orochimaru, Kabuto also wanted Sasuke's body to "find the truth about Ninjutsu"

Regular medical ninjutsu won't save Sasuke; I wouldn't be surprised if Kabuto all ready had on hand everything that he would required to allow Sasuke to achieve Senjutsu powers. I'm of the belief that the Juugo cells which are currently implanted in Sasuke's cells will prove to be sufficient. If there is anyone that is capable of giving Sasuke Sennin Mode, it's Kabuto. It's also likely that Kabuto will feel indebted to Itachi (and subsequently Sasuke) for knocking some sense into him during their fight.

Regarding what powers the ESD Doujutsu would provide for Sasuke:

I agree with your thinking about the possibility of a time control ability (I actually think this could be the result of Izanagi+Izanami). Even against Madara, I could easily see such an ability proving to be fairly effective. I should also mention that I think there is a good possibility that it could also provide Sasuke with the ability to access all Mangekyou abilities.

Diverging from the ESD for a second, there is one possible benefit that Sennin Mode would provide that would allow Sasuke to fight Madara with Susanoo. BlinkST theorized that if Sasuke applies Muki Tensei (Inorganic incarnation) to Susanoo, it might become a living structure which won't be affected by Onmyoudon/Preta path.

 
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Am I the only one who thinks the elder sons marking resemble Kimimaro's
Been a while since a I read a lengthy theory. Thank you for the read and your insight. ^__^
No problem. ^_^
No....bad read
And why is that?
Excellent read.

The only part where I diverge from your thinking is the manner in which Sasuke will obtain Sennin Mode. I actually don't think that Juugo will be involved (directly) with the process. The foot at the end of chapter 663 almost certainly belongs to Kabuto. Like Orochimaru, Kabuto also wanted Sasuke's body to "find the truth about Ninjutsu"

Regular medical ninjutsu won't save Sasuke; I wouldn't be surprised if Kabuto all ready had on hand everything that he would be required to allow Sasuke to achieve Senjutsu powers. I'm of the belief that the Juugo cells which are currently implanted in Sasuke's cells will prove to be sufficient. If there is anyone that is capable of giving Sasuke Sennin Mode, it's Kabuto. It's also likely that Kabuto will feel indebted to Itachi (and subsequently Sasuke) for knocking some sense into him during their fight.
Hmm... That's a possibility as well.
 

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Thank you sir.​
Thanks to this theory, i will make my predictions soon on Naruto and Sasuke's power ups in the future. However, i have few questions regarding this theory.

You said with the Yin Sasuke possess and Senjutsu, he will awaken the Dojutsu. But Madara himself was said to be even more sinister and still than Sasuke, and the latter currently possess SM. Why didn't he awaken it then?
 
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