[Theory] Elder Son Dōjutsu

[Transcendence]

Thanks to this theory, i will make my predictions soon on Naruto and Sasuke's power ups in the future. However, i have few questions regarding this theory.

You said with the Yin Sasuke possess and Senjutsu, he will awaken the Dojutsu. But Madara himself was said to be even more sinister and still than Sasuke, and the latter currently possess SM. Why didn't he awaken it then?

His eyes had already ascended to the Rinnegan via the complementing Yang of Hashirama's cells. The same thing would have happened if the Elder Son did that to his own brother. Adding Sennin Modo is just further amplifying his techniques. Sasuke getting such would alter his Mangekyou, as it is the only Dojutsu he possesses and he wouldn't have the Yang to get the Rinnegan, but rather massive Yin+Senjutsu, which is the base for this hypothesis.

When you are done making that theory, VM/PM it, as I would like to see what other members think Naruto and Sasuke will gain.

 

[Bronze]

His eyes had already ascended to the Rinnegan via the complementing Yang of Hashirama's cells. The same thing would have happened if the Elder Son did that to his own brother. Adding Sennin Modo is just further amplifying his techniques. Sasuke getting such would alter his Mangekyou, as it is the only Dojutsu he possesses and he wouldn't have the Yang to get the Rinnegan, but rather massive Yin+Senjutsu, which is the base for this hypothesis.

When you are done making that theory, VM/PM it, as I would like to see what other members think Naruto and Sasuke will gain.

That sounds about right. I will make my theory after i finish my first debate with Touken. Don't worry, i will send a link of it.

 

[Transcendence]

That sounds about right. I will make my theory after i finish my first debate with Touken. Don't worry, i will send a link of it.

Alright. I will be anticipating it.

 

[Xlad]

Damn, you're right. Sasuke will get an Emergency Shut Down.

OT: I think it's likely as well. It's so refreshing to read one of these threads.

 

[Champ]

Already know those will be Sasuke new eyes

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought sm was something that the younger son would use....Anyways good theory

 

[Transcendence]

Damn, you're right. Sasuke will get an Emergency Shut Down.

OT: I think it's likely as well. It's so refreshing to read one of these threads.

I hope so as well.

Already know those will be Sasuke new eyes

Indubitably so, Champ.

 

[Gulvklud]

What people fail to realise it that its a wooden depection of the elder son, his eyes may not have looked exactle how they are depicted... and if those are his real eyes, they are probably just a Mangiekyo Sharingans....

 

[Draxus]

I always said I would rather see Sasuke's next upgrade be the Elder Son's eyes, but I don't agree with jugo's body & hashi's chakra allowing him to gain sennin mode. If Jugo's flesh was all that was needed then he would have it (what he does is not a form of sennin mode) and Kabuto wouldn't have had to go train to get it.

It also seems strange hashi's chakra would just magically sync with jugo's flesh. There is no clues of this in the manga.

I'm also open to the hypothesis that the elder son was born with MS and through the years his doujutsu was weakened to the sharingan we know today.

 

[adeshina365]

I always said I would rather see Sasuke's next upgrade be the Elder Son's eyes, but I don't agree with jugo's body & hashi's chakra allowing him to gain sennin mode. If Jugo's flesh was all that was needed then he would have it (what he does is not a form of sennin mode) and Kabuto wouldn't have had to go train to get it.

It also seems strange hashi's chakra would just magically sync with jugo's flesh. There is no clues of this in the manga.

I'm also open to the hypothesis that the elder son was born with MS and through the years his donuts was weakened to the sharingan we know today.

Nope.

Kabuto had to train to learn how to control natural energy. Juugo's cells allowed him to passively absorb natural energy; eliminating a major Achilles heel of Sennin Mode. Juugo's clan went berserk because they weren't able to control natural energy. Juugo refers to both his ability and Kabuto's as "Sage Transformation".

To sum it up, Kabuto's "dragon" Sennin Mode was the result of him gaining control of natural energy. Said natural energy was obtained via the same method as Juugo's clan.

The Juugo cells that are already in Sasuke are seemingly Dormant. Kabuto will definitely be capable of activating them (or implanting new ones).

 

[Draxus]

Nope.

Kabuto had to train to learn how to control natural energy. Juugo's cells allowed him to passively absorb natural energy; eliminating a major Achilles heel of Sennin Mode. Juugo's clan went berserk because they weren't able to control natural energy. Juugo refers to both his ability and Kabuto's as "Sage Transformation".

To sum it up, Kabuto's "dragon" Sennin Mode was the result of him gaining control of natural energy. Said natural energy was obtained via the same method as Juugo's clan.

The Juugo cells that are already in Sasuke are seemingly Dormant. Kabuto will definitely be capable of activating them (or implanting new ones).

I'm not sure why you said nope, since you basically agreed with me. Are you saying Juugo is a sage? Maybe you just read the part of the sentence you highlighted instead the entire thing.

Sennin mode isn't just absorbing natural energy... which is what Juugo's clan does, so we agree there. Sennin mode is achieved by balancing chakra and natural energy, and THAT takes training.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

What people fail to realise it that its a wooden depection of the elder son, his eyes may not have looked exactle how they are depicted... and if those are his real eyes, they are probably just a Mangiekyo Sharingans....

I think Kishimoto knows the difference between concentric circles from spirals, no, that is how the Elder Son's eyes really look like

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[Transcendence]

Damn, you're right. Sasuke will get an Emergency Shut Down.

OT: I think it's likely as well. It's so refreshing to read one of these threads.

What people fail to realise it that its a wooden depection of the elder son, his eyes may not have looked exactle how they are depicted... and if those are his real eyes, they are probably just a Mangiekyo Sharingans....

Quite the contrary. The distinct circular pattern is completely different from the more complex Mangekyou designs that we have seen throughout the course of the series. That isn't a real argument.​

 

[Mr Hiru]

What people fail to realise it that its a wooden depection of the elder son, his eyes may not have looked exactle how they are depicted... and if those are his real eyes, they are probably just a Mangiekyo Sharingans....

Mangekyou = Kaleidoscope

There is no way to call "spiral" pattern eyes as Mangekyou.

 

[adeshina365]

I'm not sure why you said nope, since you basically agreed with me. Are you saying Juugo is a sage? Maybe you just read the part of the sentence you highlighted instead the entire thing.

Sennin mode isn't just absorbing natural energy... which is what Juugo's clan does, so we agree there. Sennin mode is achieved by balancing chakra and natural energy, and THAT takes training.

We're not in disagreement here....

Like I said, Juugo and his clan members were unable to control natural energy (no balance); they're Sennin Transformation was imperfect. The root power is the same nonetheless...

Your original statement implied otherwise.

Mangekyou = Kaleidoscope

There is no way to call "spiral" pattern eyes as Mangekyou.

I actually hadn't thought of that before...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Quite the contrary. The distinct circular pattern is completely different from the more complex Mangekyou designs that we have seen throughout the course of the series. That isn't a real argument.​

Indeed, all Sharingan variations from Basic-EMS have Mitsudomoes as the basis of their designs, the Elder Son's Eye design is completely different.

 

[Transcendence]

We're not in disagreement here....

Like I said, Juugo and his clan members were unable to control natural energy (no balance); they're Sennin Transformation was imperfect. The root power is the same nonetheless...

Your original statement implied otherwise.



I actually hadn't thought of that before...

It was a rather obvious concept.

The Sharingan is known as the Copy Eye and or "Kaleidoscope". And it is basically a "wheel" and this is seen with each Mangekyou design and how easy it would be to "turn them" Counter clockwise or clockwise so that they look like they are spinning like a wheel. The depiction of the Elder son and his subsequent Dojutsu aren't anywhere near a Kaleidoscope and look far more reminiscent to that of the Uzumaki village spiral symbol (almost identical actually).​

 

[Draxus]

We're not in disagreement here....

Like I said, Juugo and his clan members were unable to control natural energy (no balance); they're Sennin Transformation was imperfect. The root power is the same nonetheless..

Well I was implying that being able to draw in natural energy isn't all that is needed for sennin mode. The OP implies that it is something that someone can just awaken if they have the ability to gather natural energy.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Uneducated swine.

 

[adeshina365]

Well I was implying that being able to draw in natural energy isn't all that is needed for sennin mode. The OP implies that it is something that someone can just awaken if they have the ability to gather natural energy.

True, but Sasuke is a unique situation:

- He spent ~3 years controlling a small sample of Senjutsu chakra
- He seemingly has a natural talent for releasing Senjutsu chakra