[Discussion] Kakashi will give Naruto the Gedo Arm

[valandil988]

Sasuke is synched with the Juubi not Naruto. Naruto will likely be saved another way this scenario is more likely to play out with Sasuke. Also, it would be interesting to see Yang Kurama paired off against Yin Kurama for a final fight. So if we see Minato and Kakashi warp to Sasuke we may see some interesting stuff story wise.

Umm How is Sasuke synched with the Juubi exactly? In order to do so you either need Senju power or the Rinnegan of which he has neither. Naruto only needs the arm sealed inside him in order to live. Sasuke would need an entire sealing jutsu preformed on him by Minato in order to do this.

Not to mention the Gedo's arm wouldn't help Sasuke with a great big hole in his chest. Only person that can help him is Karin or Jugo.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Umm How is Sasuke synched with the Juubi exactly? In order to do so you either need Senju power or the Rinnegan of which he has neither. Naruto only needs the arm sealed inside him in order to live. Sasuke would need an entire sealing jutsu preformed on him by Minato in order to do this.

Not to mention the Gedo's arm wouldn't help Sasuke with a great big hole in his chest. Only person that can help him is Karin or Jugo.

Slight misstatement on my part, Tobi was working on synching him with GM. As for how, don't know but Tobi was pretty clear on his intent to do so. Could have done this at any time while performing eye surgery for him. Possibly this was another reason why he attached so many Zetsu spore clones to Sasuke.

 

[valandil988]

Slight misstatement on my part, Tobi was working on synching him with GM. As for how, don't know but Tobi was pretty clear on his intent to do so. Could have done this at any time while performing eye surgery for him. Possibly this was another reason why he attached so many Zetsu spore clones to Sasuke.

You have misunderstood Obito's statements. He wished to cultivate Sasuke's eyes until a Rinnegan emerged or he received Madara's eyes from him. He said this after Nagato had betrayed him hence wanted someone else to use Rinne Tensei for Madara's revival, he wanted Sasuke for this role. Synching to the Gedo means either having a Rinnegan or Senju power Ie DNA. This is from Madara's mouth. No Uchiha can summon or synch with the Gedo without it.

And I highly doubt Sasuke would have allowed Obito to attach a Zetsu part to him. From what I can tell Eye surgery in Naruto verse is as easy as changing a light bulb =_=. So he was likely awake through the experience.

This means that Naruto has the Senju power necessary to synch with the Gedo.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Here is where we found out that Sasuke did have Zetsu attached to Sasuke. We also found out that Zetsu had been attached to Sasuke when he faced the Kage during their meeting.

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This means that either Sasuke was willing or that he was unaware. He has lost consciousness in Tobi's presence before, so he has had plenty of opportunities

 

[valandil988]

Here is where we found out that Sasuke did have Zetsu attached to Sasuke. We also found out that Zetsu had been attached to Sasuke when he faced the Kage during their meeting.

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This means that either Sasuke was willing or that he was unaware. He has lost consciousness in Tobi's presence before, so he has had plenty of opportunities

No your are not quite right. Zetsu was "attached" in spore form IE it was not a part of his body like Obito's Senju DNA/ Hashirama clone is. Hence this does not count as Senju power at all.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

He definetly had some benefits from the attachment. Zetsu actually helped replenish Sasuke's chakra.

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Since the Sage chakra added to Sasuke chases Zetsu out and Sasuke can receive chakra from Zetsu there is definetly an intermingling of some kind happening.

 

[Pr0teu5]

Sasuke is synched with the Juubi not Naruto. Naruto will likely be saved another way this scenario is more likely to play out with Sasuke. Also, it would be interesting to see Yang Kurama paired off against Yin Kurama for a final fight. So if we see Minato and Kakashi warp to Sasuke we may see some interesting stuff story wise.

I have a few issues with your ideas about Sasuke being synced with the Mazo. Firstly, we know that at this point he isn't and that Obito was endeavoring to get Sasuke to awaken the rinnegan and eventually sync with the Mazo. Now I fully admit that it is a possibility that Sasuke has Senju Dna either from Hashirama, or the Zetsu spores and may awaken the rinnegan; I fail to see how this means that means that he will summon or have anything to do with the Mazo.

Also, even if Sasuke does get get the rinnegan and decides to summon the Mazo we have no indication that summoning and syncing with the Mazo itself gives any sort of power over parts of the Mazo that have been separated for its main body. If this were the case Madara could have just summed the other part of the Mazo back if he wanted. So, if this were to happen Kishi would have to explain why Madara didn't bother summoning the Mazo's arm when it had been taken back.

Finally as far as Naruto is concerned, we have no indication that control over the Mazo Statue is necessary in order to seal a part of it within yourself. Even if this were the case, I would suspect, though we obviously have no evidence. That if Naruto were to use the arm to obtain a mini Juubi the fact that he is on good terms with all of the bijuu would make his mini Juubi more amicable to his wishes. This could be used to explain why Naruto would be near or on the same level as Juubito even if his juubi is weaker. Obito was merely subjugating a wild entity while Naruto could work in harmony with one, albeit not as powerful.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Who said? And where in the manga?

The whole gedo mazo has a huge lifeforce, the arm will barely if any give one lifeforce. Anyways according to raw gaara is taking naruto somewhere off the battlefield. ...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The Japanese word Gaara used in the raw was 道中 do-chu

道中 implies quite a long way to go, like in
道中　ご無事で! = i wish you a safe journey!

So yes Gaara is taking Naruto somewhere far away from the battlefield

 

[Gyakusetsu]

No issues with folks doubting, I'm just trying to make folks aware of all potentials in an effort to come up with something original. My point was that Kishimoto has put in plenty of opportunities to go one direction or another. I'm not emotionally invested with either character, but I would just be dissapointed if Kishimoto pulls a granny chiyo with Naruto or a Jugo or Karin with Sasuke. He can go a lot of different directions.

 

[Draxus]

This a good theory, not sure if it'll come to pass, but good thinking none the less.

 

[Pr0teu5]

The Japanese word Gaara used in the raw was 道中 do-chu

道中 implies quite a long way to go, like in
道中　ご無事で! = i wish you a safe journey!

So yes Gaara is taking Naruto somewhere far away from the battlefield

Interesting. I haven't seen the raw so I can't really comment on that aspect. But that does seem to lower the chance of Naruto getting the arm fairly substantially. It still seems like a possibility though. I wonder what the hole point of Kakashi using Kamui on the Mazo was if he wasn't going to have it matter later.

No issues with folks doubting, I'm just trying to make folks aware of all potentials in an effort to come up with something original. My point was that Kishimoto has put in plenty of opportunities to go one direction or another. I'm not emotionally invested with either character, but I would just be dissapointed if Kishimoto pulls a granny chiyo with Naruto or a Jugo or Karin with Sasuke. He can go a lot of different directions.

Yeah, Kishi sure does have a lot different paths he can take. I don't think anyone's really emotionally invested. We're just trying to find clues that Kishi has layer out to get a sense of the way he's been thinking, and see what's more or less likely for him to do next.

 

[valandil988]

Hmm interesting. So the raw with what Garaa said suggested a long journey...what makes you think Naruto could actually survive it. Also it doesn't really make sense to me a long journey to where??

Everyone of import is there at the scene....there isn't anyone else that could help him even with what we know. So I guess this means that Kishi is adding more to the universe this late on?

He definetly had some benefits from the attachment. Zetsu actually helped replenish Sasuke's chakra.

Since the Sage chakra added to Sasuke chases Zetsu out and Sasuke can receive chakra from Zetsu there is definetly an intermingling of some kind happening.

Transferring chakra and being attached to ones cells and DNA is something quite different.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

No your are not quite right. Zetsu was "attached" in spore form IE it was not a part of his body like Obito's Senju DNA/ Hashirama clone is. Hence this does not count as Senju power at all. Transferring chakra and being attached to ones cells and DNA is something quite different.

Let's play through the scenario of Obito synching Sasuke for the purpose of having him be the sacrifice as you had suggested earlier. How then would he get Sasuke to agree? He is extremely resilient to Genjutsu. Perhaps the same method of insurance that Madara used on Obito? Allow an attached Zetsu to try and force the sacrifice. Black Zetsu managed to attach to Obito while he was completely unaware. So, it is possible that this was the plan all along and the reason why he had so many attached. So that they may overpower Sasuke if needed. You simply would not need that many otherwise. This would also explain why Obi to left a rinnegan at the hideout.

 

[Pr0teu5]

Let's play through the scenario of Obito synching Sasuke for the purpose of having him be the sacrifice as you had suggested earlier. How then would he get Sasuke to agree? He is extremely resilient to Genjutsu. Perhaps the same method of insurance that Madara used on Obito? Allow an attached Zetsu to try and force the sacrifice. Black Zetsu managed to attach to Obito while he was completely unaware. So, it is possible that this was the plan all along and the reason why he had so many attached. So that they may overpower Sasuke if needed. You simply would not need that many otherwise. This would also explain why Obi to left a rinnegan at the hideout.

I haven't really gotten into this part of the debate, but it seems likely that Obito intended to control Sasuke in the same way that he controlled Nagato, by brainwashing him to his cause. Nothing can control someone like getting them to vehemently believe in what you say. Obito, was fairly successful in this for a while as he got Sasuke to attack the Kages on his whim, and attempted to engineer a fight between Sasuke and Naruto.

Of course his plan obviously didn't work, but there was no reason for Obito to doubt that it could have.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I haven't really gotten into this part of the debate, but it seems likely that Obito intended to control Sasuke in the same way that he controlled Nagato, by brainwashing him to his cause. Nothing can control someone like getting them to vehemently believe in what you say. Obito, was fairly successful in this for a while as he got Sasuke to attack the Kages on his whim, and attempted to engineer a fight between Sasuke and Naruto.

Of course his plan obviously didn't work, but there was no reason for Obito to doubt that it could have.

Not really his whim, Obito had intercepted team taka angry that they had failed in capturing the eight tales. Zetsu shows up and let's Obito know that the Kages were gathering and that a new Hokage had been selected, Danzo. At that point Sasuke wanted revenge and was willing to kill all the Kages in order to get it. Danzo was team taka's primary target and several times throughout the chapters they try to pinpoint him. It was Zetsu who really forced the confrontation with all the Kages by tipping them off to Sasuke's presence.