How exactly does FTG users defeat Susano'o user?

[VongolaX]

If so why use two words if they're the same thing?

Wait never mind, they're not.

my bad..

I was looking at this:

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[Murasame]

It really didn't surprise Tobirama that is was Enton is all I am saying. Kishi has been so inconsistent as of late so it wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't mention it.

Well I suppose if we ever get any more flashbacks involving Izuna, we will find out (hopefully) I mean if Izuna did have these powers wouldn't they be passed on to Madara?

 

[Solo]

OT: Tagging Susano'o may just be futile as it can become ethereal at the users will and the tagged portion of chakra evaporated and replenished, also at will. The only way an FTG user is besting a Susano'o user is if they tag the user themselves, which is entirely subjective.


People claiming Izuna, the Second Mangekyo user didn't have Susano'o are only doing so fallaciously, that is Ad Ignorantiam. ​

Agreed with the first part. Second part, it was stated every Uchiha does not awaken the Susano'o. Say he does or doesn't really changes nothing.

Completely different concepts. Susano'o is a separate projection around the user, while Kurama chakra is a transformation. If your post was true, Susano'o would have moved with Madara when Gaara pulled him with sand.

Regardless, it's Kurama(The Tailed Beast Version) and Susano'o is chakra. They are connected to their chakra.

If you take a look inside Susano'o, you'll see that there is a layer of chakra surrounding the user:

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You mostly see that layer of chakra when they're deactivating Susano'o. Espically, a full body Susano'o. I don't see anyone just teleporting it somewhere.

They may not be one with Susano'o, but they linked to Susano'o via chakra.,

 

[Penguin]

Well I suppose if we ever get any more flashbacks involving Izuna, we will find out (hopefully) I mean if Izuna did have these powers wouldn't they be passed on to Madara?

They should. But since it wasn't shown I guess I shouldn't be so adamant on Izuna having it. Lol

I hope we see the Tobirama and Izuna fight, as well as how Tobirama died.

 

[Murasame]

They should. But since it wasn't shown I guess I shouldn't be so adamant on Izuna having it. Lol

I hope we see the Tobirama and Izuna fight, as well as how Tobirama died.

Well it's not completely out of question for Izuna to have it.. I mean even Hashi thorught they were similar. And yeah I want to see Tobirama and Izuna's fight to be shown in detail that way we can see how Tobirama dealt with Uchiha's Lol Yeah Tobirama's death didn't do him justice since people think he died to fodders.

 

[Solo]

Izuna did have Susanoo. Otherwise what did Madara mean here?

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Do we see Sasuke using Tsukuyomi or Sages Weapon?

 

[Gatsuuga]

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As you can see from this scan, Minato does not need to "stand on" the kunai (it's hanging on the wall or smth). FTG has area where Minato can teleport himself. If he places the kunai near the susanoo he can bypass it, and enter inside.

Place a mark on Susano'o and teleport it away. There's also a psychological tactic. As seen with Madara being caught with Gaara's sand, they get kind of cocky in Susano'o. They kinda drop their guard of attacks spawning from inside Susano'o. Minato has shown to be able to teleport within a range of his seals. This is shown when he teleports baby Naruto to his home and the seal is across the room. Minato can throw a kunai at Susano'o, and using his impeccable timing that allowed him to dodge Raikage and land a hit on Obito, he could teleport within the range of the kunai right as it's about to get hit or touches Susano'o. This allows him to teleport inside of Susano'o behind the user and nail them with a Rasengan, or slash their necks with a kunai or even hit their head with a Rasengan.

Why are people ignoring these posts? They give a very clear an viable reason why FTG can beat a susano'o user. The range on it is the problem for the susano'o user. Imagine a scenario where minato throws marked kunai at susano'o and they fall to the ground (obviously since susano'o tanks them). The susano'o user would probably laugh at such a terrible offense only to realise to late that the real intention of the attack was to put the seal and the enemy within FTG's range (i.e allowing Minato to no only get into susano'o but also behind the enemy).

Its actually a very viable strategy, since as Joker explained the Uchiha are very arrogant and drop their guard whilst in susano'o.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I never understood the argument of a FTG user vs Susano'o?

Some please elaborate.

Here's one option. An FTG user marks the ground. Then the user makes a clone and has it teleport the susanoo to the mark. This places the real FTG user inside of the susanoo. This is one of the ones I've invented in any case.


The main argument is that FTG can separate the user by teleporting the susanoo away and then teleporting back to the susanoo user to finish them off. There's legit reasons for this one too. I'll go into more detail in proof if you want.


Now, on to reading the rest of the posts. Hope no one said something stupid.

 

[3MESSIAH]

i see that FTG fans are winning....with good arguments too XD

 

[Solo]

Why are people ignoring these posts? They give a very clear an viable reason why FTG can beat a susano'o user. The range on it is the problem for the susano'o user. Imagine a scenario where minato throws marked kunai at susano'o and they fall to the ground (obviously since susano'o tanks them). The susano'o user would probably laugh at such a terrible offense only to realise to late that the real intention of the attack was to put the seal and the enemy within FTG's range (i.e allowing Minato to no only get into susano'o but also behind the enemy).

Its actually a very viable strategy, since as Joker explained the Uchiha are very arrogant and drop their guard whilst in susano'o.

Because that's stupid. By that very logic, he can throw a kunai near a person and teleport inside a person's body instantly killing them. On some Mortal Kombat shit.

Edit: He can just throw a Kunai back, tbh.

 

[Retsu]

Seals planted on the ground would enable instant access inside of a Susanoo, should they step on/over it, as evidenced by the fact that Gaara's sand plucked him out of his susanoo easily. I'd think if they were to fight between Minato and most Susanoo users, the sheer radius of his ftg would allow him easy access inside of one. with Tobirama it'd be a combination of shadow clones and ftg.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Because that's stupid. By that very logic, he can throw a kunai near a person and teleport inside a person's body instantly killing them. On some Mortal Kombat shit.

Except a body is solid, and the innards of a susanoo has not been indicated to being solid.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Agreed with the first part. Second part, it was stated every Uchiha does not awaken the Susano'o. Say he does or doesn't really changes nothing.


Regardless, it's Kurama(The Tailed Beast Version) and Susano'o is chakra. They are connected to their chakra.

If you take a look inside Susano'o, you'll see that there is a layer of chakra surrounding the user:

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You mostly see that layer of chakra when they're deactivating Susano'o. Espically, a full body Susano'o. I don't see anyone just teleporting it somewhere.

They may not be one with Susano'o, but they linked to Susano'o via chakra.,

this is a good argument,susanoo users are completely imbedded in its chakra.so i dont see how a FTG user could teleport in there.wouldnt he hit a wall of that chakra? strange to think about it XD

 

[Sennin of Logic]

this is a good argument,susanoo users are completely imbedded in its chakra.so i dont see how a FTG user could teleport in there.wouldnt he hit a wall of that chakra? strange to think about it XD

Not really. If there were a wall of chakra inside, Sasuke would not have had to defend himself from Danzo approaching with the clear intent to engage him in taijutsu.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Not really. If there were a wall of chakra inside, Sasuke would not have had to defend himself from Danzo approaching with the clear intent to engage him in taijutsu.

but wasnt that an incomplete susanoo?

 

[Retsu]

Because that's stupid. By that very logic, he can throw a kunai near a person and teleport inside a person's body instantly killing them. On some Mortal Kombat shit.

Edit: He can just throw a Kunai back, tbh.

Not true seeing as the Susanoo is hollow and transparent. Don't know where you get the idea of ftg'ing inside ppl from but obviously if minato can use it inside a given position of his home, susanoo should be no different.

 

[Solo]

Except a body is solid, and the innards of a susanoo has not been indicated to being solid.

Susano'o solid.. more than solid than human body.

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Not true seeing as the Susanoo is hollow and transparent. Don't know where you get the idea of ftg'ing inside ppl from but obviously if minato can use it inside a given position of his home, susanoo should be no different.

Someone said Minato can throw a Kunai, and there is certain range he where can decide where he wants to teleport within that range. Because when teleported baby Naruto, he wasn't exactly "near" his kunai.

And if that's the case, he should(by that logic) be able to throw a Kunai and teleport inside the human body and instant kill someone.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

but wasnt that an incomplete susanoo?

Nope, that was the complete susanoo. Here's the states of susanoo.


incomplete susanoo

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complete susanoo

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Final susanoo.

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and stabalized final susanooo or perfect susanoo.

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In the example that solo showed, it was complete susanoo. Final susanoo just adds armor on top by all appearances. There's no indication that the inside is solid. That's like saying Kurama avatar's insides are solid.

Susano'o solid.. more than solid than human body.

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One problem with that. You're example clearly shows ribcage susanoo being used. I'm talking about the chakra that Sasuke emits that at a certain distance, forms susanoo.

 

[To Whatever]

Susano'o solid.. more than solid than human body.

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That would mean that FTG seals can be placed on Susanoo then, right?

 

[3MESSIAH]

i honestly think that sth like this would happen if minato teleported inside the susanoo and tried to hit sasuke

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he would hit that chakra manifestation that completely surrounds sasuke inside.