[VS] K11 Vs Kakuzu & Hidan
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TheAncientCenturion
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It was such a mystery.....Lml Thank ya my man ( I know who you are
Eh i'll go with Kisame sometimes if I'm feeling it XD
Good good. Kisame takes it 60% of the time.
Every time.
Kakuzu could solo 2 of them with one jutsu...in their much weaker forms while in war arc one of the weakest members actually took down a mask?
k11 Pathetic? Far from it.
Lets get it on.
According to op; there is manga intel. This highly favors k11 here considering they know every bit of Kakuzu and Hidan while the duo has no intel on many shinobies from k11.
First off;
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with a swing of fan. "But she can use it for once" Correct, but not with one of the tp medic in NV. Even fodder medic nin was able to
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(sorry for the meme could not find the direct panel), Sakura who can heal an army can just touch her and she is restored to make another strike, even pre-yin seal she was seen
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. I am pretty certain these 2 girls can handle masks and elemental attacks while Hyuuga Neji, who is fast enough to react attacks (
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) or use
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for defense.Masks handled.
Next up; Hidan.
Okay this guy lost to Shikamaru with intel, but he had a trap. Without a trap, he can win this by support of certain 1 or 2 ninja. One of them, Shino. While Shikamaru is distracting and trying to capture Hidan in posession, he can release his bugs on Hidan to distress him more. Shino can spread
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in seconds to attack their prey, then they swarm the enemy [
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]. As Kakashi stated, there are no normal ways to
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(i don't use no limits fallacy here, but Hidan does not have a way to do so). Hidan is getting captured either with shadow posession or awrsming bugs. After such, Shino can one-shot him with his
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, Hidan ha no way to dodge due to beign restrained.Hidan, handled.
The only remaining thing is Domu here, if earth mask did not get handled. But simply put, Kakuzu with diamn hard skin is not soloing all these people, Sakura's punch or Katsuyu's acid can very well bypass it.
I only used half of k11 btw, Neji, Sakura, Tenten, Shino and Shikamaru.
I can add others' contributions, but it does not needed as far as i see.
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TheAncientCenturion
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Fairly certain it was Asuma's misplaced Fuuton(?) that destroyed the lightning mask. The opposite element of lightning.
She even remarks that HE destroyed it.
She even remarks that HE destroyed it.
Nothing at all suggests that they have been granted abilities that allow them to avoid or counter the jutsu? They would still both be shit on.
Eh Kakuzu has a bingo book, but I suppose such weak ninja would not be in such a thing.
I wasn't going to argue that she would not be able to use it more than once, it just serves no purpose (BTW That was Asuma's attack that KO'd the mask not the fan) The fan attacks using whatever ONE element the user wants to use, and can only attack one at a time. This is its downfall and why its inferior to Kakuzu, Say try's to KO the lightning heart with a wind attack? What happens when Kakuzu then uses his Katon, both the fans attack and the katon have a wide ranging AoE so its almost definite that they would meet. Which means the flames would then expand and explode into a huge surge, engulfing any and all that are near Ten-Ten in the process. Since none of the K11 besides Neji really have a reliable defensive move. This would basically KO most of them. The only problem would be if it tries to use Suiton on Kakuzu's Katon mask. However this too can be relegated if Kakuzu uses his own Futon. Which again has a huge AoE so it would no doubt enhance the flame from the Katon mask which has been shown to rip through Suiton already
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So basically all of the elements from the fan would merely work in Kakuzu's favor. And apart from that Tenten is useless.Idk how shouting proves that she can react to an attack Shikamaru couldn't. As we can plainly ee she didn't even come close to making it too them.
Is that all you had for the masks? That pathetic fan? Damn..
I'm not going to argue this because, This isn't a single battle >.> Kakuzu has the bonus of spreading his jutsu out which helps tremendously in team battles, so Hidan wouldn't be alone most of the time, yes normally Shino is an awful matchup for Hidan, but with Kakuzu's jutsu which any-one could either, crush,burn or strike the bugs down he isn't going to be caught by Shino's insects, especially since this would leave Shino wide open to an attack by one of Kakuzu's masks directly. Honestly matchups like this against Kakuzu are awful. If you remember from the anime Shikamaru tried attacking Kakuzu with his shadows U_U But his hearts were able to get Shikamaru to be unable to continue attacking. I think of this anytime someone pits a shinobi that requires focus on offense when going up against Kakuzu.
No the punch can't bypass it >.> But the acid might be able to I suppose U_U however as I said Kakuzu's hearts are not getting solo'd by some fan
I noticed
Gold Lightning
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I'd say Neji, Shikamaru and Butterfly Choji is enough. Maybe add Lee just to be safe.
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Yeah, ok.
Or maybe they are just teenagers.
Yeah i noticed that, it also proves Asuma's not so special fuuton can destroy the mask, also Tenten
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so it can still counter masks.Sakura boosts her enough for countering masks.
Or they can just dodge? Not to mention not all of them will fight masks and Kakuzu, they will attempt to seperate Hidan and Kakuzu due to manga intel.
Even Kakashi's measly suiton could protect himself from it,
Shikamaru have shown to react enough for opening up his scroll, if he reacted Neji sure can.
That's the damn sage's fan.
Also, Chouji can counter masks as well, he can just
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] one of them and it is gg, considering the kid
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Gedo caused, he can just take the fuuton, the only large scale attack from masks just fine. Though it would be a goner anyway. Also he can
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with his single hand to make him vulnerable for other attacks.The kiddos would
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in the wisest possible way. Shikamaru was the one who took on Hidan, that's what they would do.Yes it can.
Show me feats of Kakuzu's domu tanking something in the caliber of
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.Alright.
Lemme show you what others can contribute:
-Lee can distract Kakuzu sue to his speed to create openings. With gates, it is much easier, also he can possibly smash a mask with
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.-Ino can mind switch a mask to counter another elemental one.
-Neji can
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within
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to repel them away or possibly killing masks. Kakuzu's threads are also connected to himself, this can kill Kakuzu's heart.-Hinata might do the same, also use airpalms to keep masks at bay.
-Both Neji and Hinata can
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to possibly take down a mask.-Kiba can drill through one of the masks[
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] or distract the enemy. He can also utilize
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to block vision.-Sai can make assaults from airborne:
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was strong enough to destroy Deidara's clay bird and fast enough to blitz both Sasori and Deidara.
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could create chains of explosive tags wide enough to cover the size of
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. They are perfect for distraction and offense.Ahh come on my little insect friend :/ ,
Did you really just state that they can dodge this
Not to mention the fans futon would probably be a greater boost to the Katon then Kakuzu's ...They are not dodging that if they are close to Ten-Ten, and i'm not sure what you mean by Sakura's chakra allowing the fan to beat Kakuzu's masks, last I checked it doesn't change the nature of the element. :|
Also Shikamaru couldn't activate the scroll my girl, or else it would of done something :|
Honestly the separating of the two of them was plot, Kakuzu could of had his masks follow Hidan if he wanted to, don't know why he didn't as a matter of fact. or he could of hit Shikamaru with his jutsu. Unless you have a logical reason why he didn't U_U
Did you really just state that they can dodge this
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Not to mention the fans futon would probably be a greater boost to the Katon then Kakuzu's ...They are not dodging that if they are close to Ten-Ten, and i'm not sure what you mean by Sakura's chakra allowing the fan to beat Kakuzu's masks, last I checked it doesn't change the nature of the element. :|
Also Shikamaru couldn't activate the scroll my girl, or else it would of done something :|
Honestly the separating of the two of them was plot, Kakuzu could of had his masks follow Hidan if he wanted to, don't know why he didn't as a matter of fact. or he could of hit Shikamaru with his jutsu. Unless you have a logical reason why he didn't U_U
Kakashi couldn't even avoid Kakuzu's threads, I don't see lee being able to either A) Go in gates before Kakuzu grasps him with threads, or B) Evade them
Lol wut? They have no minds, they are merely a heart with chakra tubes being controlled by Kakuzu's own mind. So no this isn't happening and if she mind transfers into Kakuzu, which most likely Shikamaru would never let happen if its IC due to risks but either way, Hidan could always come over and kill Kakuzu taking one of his hearts, (Domu the least useful most likely) And Ino's life.
It wouldn't kill his heart :| IT couldn't even kill Kidomaru, however yes I suppose threads would be useless against Neji, but Kakuzu's jutsus's more then make up for it. Gian most likely can penetrate rotation.
What? The masks are made entirely of threads if she fires an airpalm it would merely go through the creature maybe flinching it a bit but not pushing it back like it would a fully solidified object like a human. The air would travel through the spaces inbetween the threads air palm is kind of useless.
Lol no, its an attack meant for pushing something away, but look above.
Gas bombs which would be blown away in seconds? which if Kiba is inside the smokes radius would be obliterated by pressure damage regardless? Also, threads would work well to restrain Kiba, or a jutsu to the face when he tries to destroy a mask close up
Yes i did.
No it would just make it more powerful.
He reacted enough to open it up.
Plot this plot that...Matter of fact is that's what they would do i an IC battle.
Kakashi was defending himself against Kakuzu's katon before he got grasped [
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]If Kakuzu catches Lee, that would be his downfall since:
-he would be focused on a single person
-which would leave him vulnerable to another person's attack.
Restraining himself with a ninja or 2 is foolish against these number of enemies. He would be sitting duck to getting catched by Chouji, followed by mind transfer from Ino to kill his own hearts, or let others kill them. Neji can strike with gentle fist, Sakura punches etc. they can turn their disadvantages to advantages.
Also Lee can go gates
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or in
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at will automatically. Going gates while being restrained is np.Oh then Ino transfers himself to Kakuzu directly. That's more juicy. Chouji can
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like he canonically did to allow transfer.It can kill mate, gentle fist can kill a person with a strike, Kidomaru died in that battle after he uttered some words. Hearts won't make a difference.
It is an attack to strike weak spots of an enemy, they can very well repel threads to protect themselves and others.
They are for creating openings, and they can be utilized after wind mask is owned, and
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rips threads apart. Kiba can start off with 3 headed wolf (he likes showing off, with all of his friend on one field, he would just go for it) and rip them apart.Kakuzu's hearts can't fly, they glide and jump due to their agile structure.
Sai have shown maneuvrabilty in air, so he won't be a sitting duck, plus Kakuzu is suppose to fight about 10 people on ground with good teamwork synergy, sending masks into air would make him get overwhelmed from ground.
Aaand Chouji, i made several points about this lad before, and doing it again:
Chouji can counter masks as well, he can just
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] one of them and it is gg, considering the kid
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Gedo caused, he can just take the fuuton, the only large scale attack from masks just fine. Though it would be a goner anyway. Also he can
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with his single hand to make him vulnerable for other attacks.
Red Slayer
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Konoha 11 win with mid difficulty.
Chouji expands and goes into butterfly mode increasing Shikamaru's shadows range immensely. This would force Kakuzu and Hidan to retreat from being within Chouji's shadows since Shikamaru can possess both Kakuzu and Hidan at this moment. All the while, Shino can spread his bugs around them, Sakura summons Katsuyu and initiates her role as the medic. The shockwaves from Kiba's fang over fang are strong enough to slice Hidan into pieces so once Hidan gets trapped by shadow possession, mind transfer or distracted by Shino's bugs, it's over for him. As for Kakuzu being able to save Hidan from getting separated, well he won't because he failed to protect Hidan canonically while only fighting early Shippuden Kakashi, Ino and Chouji. The rest of K11 are far stronger than early Shippuden Kakashi and can provide ample distractions. Kakuzu will have a hard time keeping up with gated Lee who will be constantly refilled by Sakura all the while he is fighting Neji as well. His elemental attacks and threads are a threat but Neji can kaiten them away while Lee simply dodges. Neji and Hinata can warn the rest of K11 when Kakuzu is preparing an attack and they can tell which attack will come next which allows Tenten to utilize her banana fan to neutralize whatever jutsu Kakuzu is about to use. If Kakuzu uses all three elements simultaneously, Neji can kaiten one, Tenten can neutralize another one while Chouji can act as a meat shield to protect everyone else. Whatever damage he takes won't be too severe due to his sheer sized body being able to absorb more damage than ordinary shinobi. This allows Sakura to restore Chouji whenever he gets hurt. If Kakuzu is aiming raiton gian at one of Chouji's vitals, such as brain or heart, he can simply unexpand part of his body for the raiton gian to miss his vital parts.
As for doton domu, gentle fist should be able to deactivate/weaken it allowing the rest of the K11 to finish him off.
Chouji expands and goes into butterfly mode increasing Shikamaru's shadows range immensely. This would force Kakuzu and Hidan to retreat from being within Chouji's shadows since Shikamaru can possess both Kakuzu and Hidan at this moment. All the while, Shino can spread his bugs around them, Sakura summons Katsuyu and initiates her role as the medic. The shockwaves from Kiba's fang over fang are strong enough to slice Hidan into pieces so once Hidan gets trapped by shadow possession, mind transfer or distracted by Shino's bugs, it's over for him. As for Kakuzu being able to save Hidan from getting separated, well he won't because he failed to protect Hidan canonically while only fighting early Shippuden Kakashi, Ino and Chouji. The rest of K11 are far stronger than early Shippuden Kakashi and can provide ample distractions. Kakuzu will have a hard time keeping up with gated Lee who will be constantly refilled by Sakura all the while he is fighting Neji as well. His elemental attacks and threads are a threat but Neji can kaiten them away while Lee simply dodges. Neji and Hinata can warn the rest of K11 when Kakuzu is preparing an attack and they can tell which attack will come next which allows Tenten to utilize her banana fan to neutralize whatever jutsu Kakuzu is about to use. If Kakuzu uses all three elements simultaneously, Neji can kaiten one, Tenten can neutralize another one while Chouji can act as a meat shield to protect everyone else. Whatever damage he takes won't be too severe due to his sheer sized body being able to absorb more damage than ordinary shinobi. This allows Sakura to restore Chouji whenever he gets hurt. If Kakuzu is aiming raiton gian at one of Chouji's vitals, such as brain or heart, he can simply unexpand part of his body for the raiton gian to miss his vital parts.
As for doton domu, gentle fist should be able to deactivate/weaken it allowing the rest of the K11 to finish him off.
BlackFlame44
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So she remarks that Asuma destroyed it and didn't then talked about how cool the FAN was?
By how i interpreted from your post; it does not even reach mid difficulty.
Hidan is close to being non-factor with full intel on his abilities and these 10 ninja some of them being jounin levels (who can be charged due to Sakura) are too much for Kakuzu.
That's what i think; she seemed like she swinged fan at top right panel and the mask got destroyed:
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So do you agree with my post or not? What difficulty do you think K11 wins with? I said mid because Kakuzu is strong enough to take a few down and injure Chouji. Not to mention if raiton gian hits Katsuyu, anyone connected to the main body would get fried. Kakuzu's area of effect attacks combined with Hidan's ability to tank them and fight within them would still put up a good challenge.
Yet he lost to people much weaker than the combined powers of current K11.
TheEvilOne
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This is an assumption. From what we've seen Katsuyu can only transfer Sakura's or Tsunade's chakra through the Byakogu.
I think it would be low-mid diff at most. Hidan is good at tanking but with manga knowledge his ritual is easily countered. I already explained Shino+Shika combo who would make a swift win against Hidan without taxing too much chakra. Kakuzu is not handling 10 ninja who have things like diverse techs, high speed for some of them, sensory for about half of them, a healer who can put anyone back in the game within seconds etc. That's just too much.