[VS] K11 Vs Kakuzu & Hidan

[Zexion~]

Konoha 11 win with mid difficulty.

Chouji expands and goes into butterfly mode increasing Shikamaru's shadows range immensely. This would force Kakuzu and Hidan to retreat from being within Chouji's shadows since Shikamaru can possess both Kakuzu and Hidan at this moment.

Useless, as has already been shown when Kakuzu is caught in the shadows he can still maneuver his hearts

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freely, Which means he merely has too send his ration heart to attack Shikamaru and the possession is released

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, although tbh it would most likely KO shikamaru as it was shown that he couldn't dodge the Gian. Meanwhile chouji going into butterfly mode is an awful Idea, i'm pretty sure his organs increase in size as well to deal with the new size change, as small lungs wouldn't be able to support that. So anyways this makes him an easy target for Gian straight through the heart, Anyone with a piercing attack can solo Chouji quite easily U_U Or Hidan could aquire blood from him as well if needed. But Gian should suffice.

All the while, Shino can spread his bugs around them, Sakura summons Katsuyu and initiates her role as the medic. The shockwaves from Kiba's fang over fang are strong enough to slice Hidan into pieces so once Hidan gets trapped by shadow possession, mind transfer or distracted by Shino's bugs, it's over for him.

Kiba needs his wolf fang over fang to slice to pieces man, just thought i'd mention that which he can't use in succession so if he misses, he becomes useless and don't doubt Hidan's evasion skills. Anyways as for Shino's bugs surrounding them, again easily countered by Kakuzu's futon. He merely needs to fire it off even right behind both Hidan and Kakuzu and it would crush the bugs surrounding him ( and any opponents nearby as well) While leaving Hidan unscathed (as its been shown

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Meanwhile Kakuzu survives it through Domu. Did you really just suggest using mind transfer on Hidan? Oh god, Kakuzu either Gians him or impales him with threads and Ino's dead and Hidan isn't.

As for Kakuzu being able to save Hidan from getting separated, well he won't because he failed to protect Hidan canonically while only fighting early Shippuden Kakashi, Ino and Chouji. The rest of K11 are far stronger than early Shippuden Kakashi and can provide ample distractions.

He didn't see it coming nor did he find it necessary to really intervene

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Hence why he didn't really try to do much to stop the separation. However now that he knows what happened before and sees its more then one person, he clearly will try to halt the separation process of Hidan, and I've already proven how he does this in my first part of the argument.

Kakuzu will have a hard time keeping up with gated Lee who will be constantly refilled by Sakura all the while he is fighting Neji as well. His elemental attacks and threads are a threat but Neji can kaiten them away while Lee simply dodges.

Gated lee is useless as Kakuzu's Domu counters everything he has. Not to mention punches are not going to be able to physically kill one of kakuzu's hearts as I've stated multiple times and perhaps you've seen, attacks that do not damage the heart directly are useless to Kakuzu as his body is merely a bunch of threads, as you have stated as well once actually my man. So if Lee were to land a punch on Kakuzu he would immediately be ensnared by threads, as most likely his punch would go through Kakuzu's body, or right when it makes contact the threads would spawn onto his hands

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, Whats next is death for lee U_U Neji is a problem because the threads are useless against him. However I firmly believe either a Domu enhanced punch or Gian can penetrate through his rotation. Kakuzu's experience and knowledge probably include some knowledge of the Hyuuga, so he won't be to quick to enter CQC with them.

Neji and Hinata can warn the rest of K11 when Kakuzu is preparing an attack and they can tell which attack will come next which allows Tenten to utilize her banana fan to neutralize whatever jutsu Kakuzu is about to use.

Hmm another pain for Kakuzu, as his jutsu take a hit in effectiveness when people see it coming, however A) I've already countered the banana fan in an earlier post. Please read and if you still think it works well....Idk what to tell ya. B) Can they really determine what element its going to be through Byakugan? I suppose they could notice the masks color but I don't think they would have time for all that tbh.

If Kakuzu uses all three elements simultaneously, Neji can kaiten one, Tenten can neutralize another one while Chouji can act as a meat shield to protect everyone else.

Gian kills Chouji this is a given also if Kakuzu uses three elements simultaneously they would most likely be a combo, which means that they can't all be countered One by One my man, and like I said gian can probably KO Rotation, or actually his Fuuton most likely could as well, as all that extremely condensed pressure on top of the rotation would weigh it down and halt its spinning, (If I need to get the DB entry I suppose I could, however its a pain)

Whatever damage he takes won't be too severe due to his sheer sized body being able to absorb more damage than ordinary shinobi. This allows Sakura to restore Chouji whenever he gets hurt.

punctured heart is pretty severe, besides Sakura healing chouji leaves her wide open to attack.

If Kakuzu is aiming raiton gian at one of Chouji's vitals, such as brain or heart, he can simply unexpand part of his body for the raiton gian to miss his vital parts.

What? Un expanding his chest while all his other body parts are still expanded? Lml I don't think its possible, but whatever Kakuzu can fire two bolts at a time, so its safe to say he can fire two bolts in succession.

As for doton domu, gentle fist should be able to deactivate/weaken it allowing the rest of the K11 to finish him off.

It most likely could.

 

[Avinash012]

Ten ten solo's.

 

[paratise]

Wow i gotta say this, this thread inspired me to make a "Neji can potentially beat Kakuzu" thread.

 

[Avinash012]

Wow i gotta say this, this thread inspired me to make a "Neji can potentially beat Kakuzu" thread.

Plz don't,Neji alone stands no chance against him.

 

[paratise]

Plz don't,Neji alone stands no chance against him.

Gentle fist against Kakuzu's bodiliy threads which provide more surfaces to channel chakra to Kakuzu's insides for killing him is indeed a potential. Nothing in Kakuzu's arsenal is getting through kaiten either.

And "potentially beating" does not mean "stronger". İt just means that a weaker character might have shot under certain scenarios.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Neji lacks the stamina to put him down.

 

[Avinash012]

Gentle fist against Kakuzu's bodiliy threads which provide more surfaces to channel chakra to Kakuzu's insides for killing him is indeed a potential. Nothing in Kakuzu's arsenal is getting through kaiten either.

And "potentially beating" does not mean "stronger". İt just means that a weaker character might have shot under certain scenarios.

I don't think Kakuzu need those threads to beat Neji,Neji ain't got anything on Domu to push him that far.

 

[paratise]

Neji lacks the stamina to put him down.

İt would not be solely character vs character, more likely ability vs ability.

I don't think Kakuzu need those threads to beat Neji,Neji ain't got anything on Domu to push him that far.

All Kakuzu's taijutsu attempts are going to be dodged(even Shikamaru reacted a shunshin blitz from Kakuzu while he was not looking at his direction and busy fighting Hidan) Kakuzu's threads are linked to his insides:

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if Neji channels his chakra through them he can also harm him.

But like i said, it is only a possibilty.

 

[Inert Brian]

I briefly read the debates on pages 1 and 2, so sorry if i'm spewing countered stuff already.

Since the K11 have full manga intel on Kakuzu and Hidan, I give this to K11. Now I say this simply because of Shikamaru.

Shikamaru will obviously do the exact same thing that was done before: Separate Hidan and Kakuzu. Seriously if Shikamaru managed to catch Hidan when Kakashi was the only other person there to help him (Choji and Ino were useless), how is Shikamaru not going to be able to pull it off again with 9 jonin level ninja? But since I have to get in to detail and explain, that's what i'll do.

The most sure way of accomplishing this is Shikamaru having Sakura summon Katsuyu. Katsuyu spews acid, this alone has separated Kakuzu and Hidan. But WAIT, the 5 hearts can fly, how will they deal with them? Now I will point out here that if the fire and wind hearts were to combine, they could possibly remove the acid (to keep Kakuzu in character the hearts would not be combining this early), or even the suiton heart could remove the acid. But that just leaves Hidan that much more prone to being caught by K11.

Rock Lee can distract Kakuzu and stall for time. Imo while Rock Lee is not as good as Kakashi at taijutsu, Rock lee can handle Kakuzu long enough to stall for time.

All Shikamaru needs is 1 K11 member to take on each heart. Sai, Ten ten (w/ Sakura healing), Kiba, Butterfly choji, and Shino could each take on a heart. The hearts could avoid the others and go straight for Shikamaru, but this is where Hinata and Neji come in. Hinata and Neji can simply use a dual rotation that can stop the hearts. Ten ten's banana fan can begin killing hearts. This would allow Shino to aid Shikamaru in capturing Hidan. + Ino is there and can attempt mind transfer to capture Hidan. I'm aware Shikamaru told her not to use it in the actual story, but with Neji and Hinata there as defense, Ino is well protected if she misses.

Long story short: Ten ten begins to kill hearts, Shikamaru with the aid of Shino and Ino capture Hidan and have Sai seal him inside of an ink scroll. Rock Lee is then forced to use the gates to protect himself from Kakuzu. He gives Kakuzu a pounding but not enough to do major damage, but is then removed from the fight from 8 gate body strain.

This leaves All of K11 minus Rock Lee to handle Kakuzu alone. This basically comes down to speculation. I give this to K11 simply because Hinata and Neji can defend the others from Kakuzu's long range attacks. Ten ten's banana fan is the key here because the fan has proven to be very powerful. I am more than sure the banana fan could kill Kakuzu. The fan has proven so.

Now if this was a no intel fight. Kakuzu and Hidan would stomp. But since K11 gets intel, I say mid difficulty.

 

[paratise]

Wait, Lee's taijutsu is definetely better than Kakashi's:

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[Inert Brian]

Wait, Lee's taijutsu is definetely better than Kakashi's:

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Kakashi has Sharingan, Sharingan was the reason Kakashi managed to dodge so many of Kakuzu's attacks. While Rock Lee doesn't have any hearts to deal with, the one and only Kakuzu. I give this to Kakuzu because he's shown more Taijutsu feats than base Lee has shown. Not to mention Kakuzu can use his Earth style and harden his body.

 

[paratise]

Kakashi has Sharingan, Sharingan was the reason Kakashi managed to dodge so many of Kakuzu's attacks. While Rock Lee doesn't have any hearts to deal with, the one and only Kakuzu. I give this to Kakuzu because he's shown more Taijutsu feats than base Lee has shown. Not to mention Kakuzu can use his Earth style and harden his body.

Well this is not Lee vs Kakuzu, he has 10 other comrades and Lee obviously has better taijutsu than Kakuzu. Domu counts as ninjutsu anyway.

 

[Inert Brian]

Well this is not Lee vs Kakuzu, he has 10 other comrades and Lee obviously has better taijutsu than Kakuzu. Domu counts as ninjutsu anyway.

He does have 10 comrades but they'll have to distract the 5 hearts + Kakuzu for Shikamaru to catch Hidan. It is 100% guaranteed with manga intel Shikamaru splits the pair up first. Ten ten with the banana fan can arguably take more than 1 heart on at a time, considering Neji and Hinata can block while Sakura heals.

You're right I shouldn't have just made it seem they'd just send Rock Lee on Kakuzu.