KCM Naruto vs Tobirama

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Please do move on, why should I debate with someone who thinks Sasuke is the same speed as KCM Naruto. You aren't worth my time anymore either. Your debating is bull crap, half the things you say is speculation and fanfiction. You're biased beyond belief when it comes to Tobirama so this is a waste of time.

I'll take that as your concession. Cheers!

Lol @Kant comparing Naruto's speed with Sasuke

Narutards are the worst kind to debate against I suppose.

 

[Murasame]

I'll take that as your concession. Cheers!

Even though Gold Lightning can spew bs at times he is indeed right. Naruto wasn't going full speed and if you indeed believe so then Sasuke must be as fast if not faster than V2 Ay. Naruto used normal foot speed which is more or less on the level of v1 ay..

 

[Xlad]

Lol @Kant comparing Naruto's speed with Sasuke

I don't see any sense either. KCM/BM only allows Naruto to use Body Flicker and it gives off a "yellow flash" as shown here.

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So what Killer Bee said about the "Yellow Flash" makes sense if you think about it.

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[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Even though Gold Lightning can spew bs at times he is indeed right. Naruto wasn't going full speed and if you indeed believe so then Sasuke must be as fast if not faster than V2 Ay. Naruto used normal foot speed which is more or less on the level of v1 ay..

Gonna require a scan or some formulae regarding how you and the Minatotard arrived at that conclusion as you two are clearly far more sophisticated than me.

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[Xlad]

lol at Naruto abusing his shunshin. Re-Read the manga he rarely goes at full speed.

Tobirama is smarter, better reactions and he can produce clones who can FTG- Manga already shown him being to go toe to toe with a stronger and better taijutuslist-Madara.

Damn, what a Time Bitch.

 

[xcoyote]

Even though Gold Lightning can spew bs at times he is indeed right. Naruto wasn't going full speed and if you indeed believe so then Sasuke must be as fast if not faster than V2 Ay. Naruto used normal foot speed which is more or less on the level of v1 ay..

Naruto=Sasuke foot speed
Naruto's Shunshin>Sasuke's shunshin
Naruto doesnt abuse Shunshin tho IC

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Damn, what a Time Bitch.

Tim rustlin' jimmies like he do.

 

[Murasame]

I don't see any sense either. KCM/BM only allows Naruto to use Body Flicker and it gives off a "yellow flash" as shown here.

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So what Killer Bee said about the "Yellow Flash" makes sense if you think about it.

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Exactly lol

Narutards are the worst kind to debate against I suppose.

Narutard? Are you assuming that because of my ava and username? Lmao

Gonna require a scan or some formulae regarding how you and the Minatotard arrived at that conclusion as you two are clearly far more sophisticated than me.

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As you see here his KCM base speed is on par with V1 Ay.
When he actually went all out he outsped V2 Ay. [

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If you even begin to believe that Sasuke's full speed is on par with Naruto's full speed then you're a joke...
It's not surprising Sasuke kept up with Naruto's normal speed.. Sasuke's already shown to keep up with V1 Ay when they fought.
The scan you provided just serves to prove my point. Sasuke=KCM Naruto base foot speed
But if it comes down to Shunsin Naruto is above Sasuke with what is shown so far.

lol at Naruto abusing his shunshin. Re-Read the manga he rarely goes at full speed.Tobirama is smarter, better reactions and he can produce clones who can FTG- Manga already shown him being able to go toe to toe with a stronger and better taijutuslist-Madara- the moment he gets in CQC against Naruto he takes the win.

If you're referring to me then you would have to reread my posts again if not then my bad.

Naruto=Sasuke foot speed
Naruto's Shunshin>Sasuke's shunshin
Naruto doesnt abuse Shunshin tho IC

I agree thats the point I was trying to make. I never said anything about him abusing it tho

 

[Xlad]

Tim rustlin' jimmies like he do.

Huh? I was talking about the sig.

 

[~Sky~]

Tobirama's Shunshin can't blitz Naruto.

Anyway, Naruto's most likely wins this through outlasting Tobirama.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Huh? I was talking about the sig.

As was I ?

 

[Xlad]

As was I ?

So you talking about it too? Okay I see.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Exactly lol

Narutard? Are you assuming that because of my ava and username? Lmao

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As you see here his KCM base speed is on par with V1 Ay.
When he actually went all out he outsped V2 Ay.
If you even begin to believe that Sasuke's full speed is on par with Naruto's full speed then you're a joke...
It's not surprising Sasuke kept up with Naruto's normal speed.. Sasuke's already shown to do that against V1 Ay when they fought.


If you're referring to me then you would have to reread my posts again if not then my bad.

I agree thats the point I was trying to make. I never said anything about him abusing it tho

My scan is more valid. Plus Madara's sentiments about the chokka Tomoe confirms the EMS has made him faster - how fast that is, however, you or I cannot say.

 

[~Sky~]

I've read through the thread. There's a lot of abuse of the feat of Madara's 'blitz' against Naruto. Sage Mode grants higher speed, but that speed is slower than KCM. Naruto's Sage Mode pre-cog still allowed him to defend from the attack, but not dodge.

It's been a fact since the beginning of the series: A person can only react to speed if they themselves are fast enough to react. KCM Naruto is fast enough to react, Sage Mode isn't. And it's also been a fact that blocking is easier to do than dodging.

KCM Naruto has only ever been blitzed by one person, and that's Obito.

 

[Murasame]

My scan is more valid. Plus Madara's sentiments about the chokka Tomoe confirms the EMS has made him faster - how fast that is, however, you or I cannot say.

Actually your scan served to prove my point. And that is that Sasuke's foot speed is more or less on Naruto's KCM base foot speed level. Naruto's shunshin though surpasses Sasuke's and if you think otherwise then Sasuke>V2 Ay in speed. No EMS made him have better movement because his eye can keep up better against other opponents now. His eye doesn't boost his speed it just helps know where to strike better.

I've read through the thread. There's a lot of abuse of the feat of Madara's 'blitz' against Naruto. Sage Mode grants higher speed, but that speed is slower than KCM. Naruto's Sage Mode pre-cog still allowed him to defend from the attack, but not dodge.

It's been a fact since the beginning of the series: A person can only react to speed if they themselves are fast enough to react. KCM Naruto is fast enough to react, Sage Mode isn't. And it's also been a fact that blocking is easier to do than dodging.

KCM Naruto has only ever been blitzed by one person, and that's Obito.

Precisely.. I couldn't have said it any better. + rep

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Actually your scan served to prove my point. And that is that Sasuke's foot speed is more or less on Naruto's KCM base foot speed level. Naruto's shunshin though surpasses Sasuke's and if you think otherwise then Sasuke>V2 Ay in speed. No EMS made him have better movement because his eye can keep up better against other opponents now. His eye doesn't boost his speed it just helps know where to strike better.

I'd gratify you with a scan, only I'm holding onto something. Madara states that the Tomoe gifts the wielder with fast movement. So with that in mind it's wrong to say that Sasuke - who in MS state was able to keep up with V1 Ay, would remain stagnant in speed when Madara contradicts that. Again, how fast that is I can't say. And while you've more than proved a valid point of his speed being fast, simply saying Naruto wasn't going as fast as he can doesn't credit your argument with the former in mind. As there's no evidence for or against.

 

[Murasame]

I'd gratify you with a scan, only I'm holding onto something. Madara states that the Tomoe gifts the wielder with fast movement. So with that in mind it's wrong to say that Sasuke - who in MS state was able to keep up with V1 Ay, would remain stagnant in speed when Madara contradicts that. Again, how fast that is I can't say. And while you've more than proved a valid point of his speed being fast, simply saying Naruto wasn't going as fast as he can doesn't credit your argument with the former in mind. As there's no evidence for or against.

*sigh* I can't believe I'm going to have waste my time on this.. I'm going to look for scans so I'll edit this post once I get them.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

*sigh* I can't believe I'm going to have waste my time on this.. I'm going to look for scans so I'll edit this post once I get them.

I acquiesced and said it was a valid point and I said you have no real proof regardless. No need to get fired up about drawings.

 

[Murasame]

I acquiesced and said it was a valid point and I said you have no real proof regardless. No need to get fired up about drawings.

And thats what I'm going to try and do.. get proof @bold
Gee looking for proof=getting fired up... I suppose everyone does this then and you "debate for drawings" so I wouldn't talk. Anyways as I've said I'm going to look for scans.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

And thats what I'm going to try and do.. get proof @bold
Gee looking for proof=getting fired up... I suppose everyone does this then and you "debate for drawings" so I wouldn't talk. Anyways as I've said I'm going to look for scans.

Lel you just seemed rather annoyed is all. I can only apologise for my ignorance. To be honest I don't see why you or I am getting sucked into this much detail, my point was Naruto isn't blitzing Tobirama and you've proven it's the same for the other side.