Theory: Killer Bee is hidden within Samehada

[Wolfus]

@1st bold Naruto was NOT a perfect jinchuuriki. This has never been stated to date. This is evidenced by his Jinky form only being chakra and not the real deal.
@2nd bold That hasn't been proven. Akatsuki did it their way because of a certain factor: Madara was the only one to know how to use the tech like that. If Pain would've known how to do it, then he would have simply done that from the beginning. He wouldnt need Akatsuki. Kinda weird that he would do a tech that takes 3 days instead of one that is instant... Also, the statue is able to take human subjects
@3rd Bee was already hit with Amaterasu and was able to perform the tech. Dont see why this is different.

1- You know what a perfect jin, means, right? Those who became friends witht he bijuu and managed to put their chakra and fight together. It doesn't need to be stated to see that naruto actually did that. The fact that his BM is chakra made is because of the seal, or because of kurama. Not because he isn't a perfect jin.

2- Zetsu said he would have to extract the hachibi and the kyuubi before sealing them. Nagato wasn't as skilled as obito. And still, why would he waste time taking the kyuubi from naruto, then?

3- The point is not bee doind it. He could've done it, of course. But when madara would try topush the bijuu, the fake hachibi would turn into the tail, just like when obito first tried to extract it. So madara(and us) would've seen it.

 

[Wolfus]

You mean Tail Beast Mode. Naruto has yet to enter Tail Beast Mode. However, Naruto has a transformation that enables to use Kyuubi's chakra as a Chakra shroud and replicate full-body of the Kyuubi without its physical body being present.

That's false.
The name of the chapter naruto entered BM is called bijuu mode. If that doesn't explain everything...wow

Bijuu mode(or tailed beast mode) is a mode in which the bijuu and the jinchuriki puts their chakra together, and then, they "become one"/fight as one. The jinchuriki assumes the form of the bijuu, however, both are fighting, as seen that bee is still talking and acting in his bijuu mode.

The reason naruto's BM is different(kyuubi becomes chakra made) is: he's the main char, he would need somethign special; or kurama's jinchuriki is always different; kurama is split; the seal used in naruto

Naruto still has BM.

 

[Thundercles]

1- You know what a perfect jin, means, right? Those who became friends witht he bijuu and managed to put their chakra and fight together. It doesn't need to be stated to see that naruto actually did that. The fact that his BM is chakra made is because of the seal, or because of kurama. Not because he isn't a perfect jin.

2- Zetsu said he would have to extract the hachibi and the kyuubi before sealing them. Nagato wasn't as skilled as obito. And still, why would he waste time taking the kyuubi from naruto, then?

3- The point is not bee doind it. He could've done it, of course. But when madara would try topush the bijuu, the fake hachibi would turn into the tail, just like when obito first tried to extract it. So madara(and us) would've seen it.

1- Please list in the manga where it states this. Bee has been the only one referenced as this due to his mastery of it. Complete transformations, V1 and V2 transformations, changing parts of his body and using ink.
2- Please provide scan where Zetsu stated this. Also, Nagato had better experience than Obito, who had zero experience. Plus if Obito knew how to do this, then he could have taught Nagato and thus done the whole thing a lot quicker. I doubt Obito knew how to do this. He took the Kyuubi from Naruto because Naruto uses a chakra only form. Plus Kurama implied some kind of plan so he might have done this willingly to save Naruto.
3- Madara's sealing tech is WAY different than the one Obito used. So you really can't reference that. Completely different tech. Plus the status doesnt need the whole beast as evidenced when Obito used both a tentacle and chakra from Kurama.

 

[Urda]

Yes. That is what I mean.

Yeah. I had to look that up because I didn't know what you mean. >.> It also got me thinking about the Zetsu and his statement about Jinchuuriki's.

 

[brownbear]

I rather like this idea and do hope your right,I'm not ready for bee to be gone yet. Plus this would be a lame way to go down.

 

[Wolfus]

1- Please list in the manga where it states this. Bee has been the only one referenced as this due to his mastery of it. Complete transformations, V1 and V2 transformations, changing parts of his body and using ink.
2- Please provide scan where Zetsu stated this. Also, Nagato had better experience than Obito, who had zero experience. Plus if Obito knew how to do this, then he could have taught Nagato and thus done the whole thing a lot quicker. I doubt Obito knew how to do this. He took the Kyuubi from Naruto because Naruto uses a chakra only form. Plus Kurama implied some kind of plan so he might have done this willingly to save Naruto.
3- Madara's sealing tech is WAY different than the one Obito used. So you really can't reference that. Completely different tech. Plus the status doesnt need the whole beast as evidenced when Obito used both a tentacle and chakra from Kurama.

1- Oh, I see. You're THAT kind of guy, right? So, let me play your game. Show me a scan in which perfect jin is what you said. You might as well remember danzou mentioning that yagura, the mizukage, I forgot his name, was also a perfect jin.
If you return to bee's explanation, you'll see this. Or you can make a thread and ask people for that scan, because I ain't getting that for you.

2- Nagato is not more skilled than MADARA. Madara has mastered the rinnegan in a complete different lvl, no wonder why nagato coudn't display the same feat. Also, here's the scan

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Zetsu says he was trying to extract the hachibi, so yeah.

3- Irrelevant. Even if the sealing method is different, it would still try so seal it, madara would still be pushin the chakra out, and then the substitution jutsu would be revealed, just like it happend with obito.

 

[Thundercles]

1- Oh, I see. You're THAT kind of guy, right? So, let me play your game. Show me a scan in which perfect jin is what you said. You might as well remember danzou mentioning that yagura, the mizukage, I forgot his name, was also a perfect jin.
If you return to bee's explanation, you'll see this. Or you can make a thread and ask people for that scan, because I ain't getting that for you.

2- Nagato is not more skilled than MADARA. Madara has mastered the rinnegan in a complete different lvl, no wonder why nagato coudn't display the same feat. Also, here's the scan

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Zetsu says he was trying to extract the hachibi, so yeah.

3- Irrelevant. Even if the sealing method is different, it would still try so seal it, madara would still be pushin the chakra out, and then the substitution jutsu would be revealed, just like it happend with obito.

1- Well you are the challenger, so you have the burden of proof. But I will defeat this now.

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He says Yagura is "maybe".

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As stated by Obito.

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As further stated by Kisame.. Proof is overwhelmingly in my favor here.

2- Never said Nagato was better than Madara, did I?. I said he was better than Obito. Don't put words in my posts. Zetsu said he should insert them in order and that he was trying to extract the 7th and 8th out of order. Thats all. He never said he HAD to extract them to seal them. Only that he should do it in order. Re-read that. You disproved yourself. You did not show proof that a Bijuu needed to be extracted to be sealed into that statue with this tech.
3- Just because you call it irrelevant doesnt make it so. They are two different sealing techniques. The chains are just pulling them in. The same rules do not really apply. It grabbed "Kurama" who was a chakra shroud. That is what saved Naruto. Period. B was in a flesh and blood form of Gyuki. Two differing factors with two differing sealing techs.

 

[Wolfus]

1- Well you are the challenger, so you have the burden of proof. But I will defeat this now.

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He says Yagura is "maybe".

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As stated by Obito.

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As further stated by Kisame.. Proof is overwhelmingly in my favor here.

2- Never said Nagato was better than Madara, did I?. I said he was better than Obito. Don't put words in my posts. Zetsu said he should insert them in order and that he was trying to extract the 7th and 8th out of order. Thats all. He never said he HAD to extract them to seal them. Only that he should do it in order. Re-read that. You disproved yourself. You did not show proof that a Bijuu needed to be extracted to be sealed into that statue with this tech.
3- Just because you call it irrelevant doesnt make it so. They are two different sealing techniques. The chains are just pulling them in. The same rules do not really apply. It grabbed "Kurama" who was a chakra shroud. That is what saved Naruto. Period. B was in a flesh and blood form of Gyuki. Two differing factors with two differing sealing techs.

1- That proves nothing, you know that, right? Back then, naruto hadn't become friends with kurama, so it explains obito's statements,as well as why naruto is not listed on the list. That still doesn't prove your concept of perfect jin.
Kisame just called him the perfect jin.
People call naruto Bijuu mode(in the manga, in the chapter's name, what are you thinking?) for a reason. Bee even said that he got his bijuu mode.
But if you're really willing to discuss this, let's a make a thread to see if naruto is a perfect jin.

2- No, you didn't. But the one who is extracting te hachibi and the kyuubi right now is madara, not obito.
Yeah, you're right, zetsu didn't say the hachibi had to be extracted. However, he said madara was trying to extract them. So, you have no proof that madara would stop the process and pull bee along with the bijuu. You have no proof, nor evidence. There is a reason for which he would spend his time trying to extract it.

3- Yeah, it's irrelevant, and I explained. Being a different sealing tech or not doesn't change the mechaniqs of the substitution jutsu. The momment madara would try to pull itto the gedo mazou, it would turn into the tail again. That's how the substitution jutsu worked. Obito was trying to pull bijuu chakra out of the fake bee, the tail revelead itself. Madara is trying to the same, the jutsu would reveal itself.
Using different methods of sealing wouldn't change the mechaniqs of the substitution jutsu.

 

[Xāvî1]

I don't thin so. It really seemed like hachibi was completely extracted. And if that's the case, even with his trick, he's not gonna live. He is not uzumaki, and even uzumaki die, so bee would most likely die right after the extraction

Off topic- I thought you were going to say "inside spiral zetsu".

Its just a tentacle that got sucked

 

[cptenn94]

It's plausible, but I honestly believe Bee is dead. Check this

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death from extraction is an absolute rule according to the Zetsu

The absolute rule only applies if the tb is fully extracted.

I think it is quite plausible that bee did not have gyuki fully extracted, and severed that tail, leaving him with the reverse that he had when he fought sasuke(when he fought sasuke he had 8 tails minus 1 tentacle, and he Gave the enemy a tentacle.

This time i think it is he has a tentacle left, and gave 8 tails minus 1 tentacle.

However i still think the extraction process took a toll on him, and that he is in bad shape. But i dont think he will die.(assumeing my theory is true)

 

[theFred]

As far as they know, it is the real Gyuki and Bee. I'm tellin' ya. Madara only got a tentacle. Why else would Bee do that?

to shove a small amount of 8 tails chakra for Naruto? He had some every beast except the one tails and eight. If he could suck back all thouse shields that should have disappeared and were said to still be connecting his chackra to everyone, he wouold still have a little bit of that left to. Then all they have to do is make the one tails final message really mean, "a piece of my chackra" is in your hand, and hey Naruto can be a 10 tails too. except they'd probably all be baby beasts.]

 

[Ziba27]

The absolute rule only applies if the tb is fully extracted.

I think it is quite plausible that bee did not have gyuki fully extracted, and severed that tail, leaving him with the reverse that he had when he fought sasuke(when he fought sasuke he had 8 tails minus 1 tentacle, and he Gave the enemy a tentacle.

This time i think it is he has a tentacle left, and gave 8 tails minus 1 tentacle.

However i still think the extraction process took a toll on him, and that he is in bad shape. But i dont think he will die.(assumeing my theory is true)

This is exactly what I think as well, I think the one tail samahade are keeping bee alive.

And to those quoting zetsu, he is wrong, it's not an absolute rule: Obito survived, if you have something with a large/strong enough life force then you should survive.

 

[chaos control]

Not necessarily. Remember all Obito got was a tentacle. That may have been all Madara got. We wont know for sure until it is confirmed. Even the revival of the Juubi wouldnt be enough proof.

You must also remember that Gyuki gave a remorseful apology to Bee as he got sucked in. This wouldn't be necessary if it was just a substitution.

Also, Gyuki was already wrapped up in chains before he cut the tentacle. Therefore he wouldn't be free to use substitution jutsu (which is just fast movement).

I think that tentacle was meant to be given to Naruto along with some of Shukaku's chakara so that Naruto could have the chakara of all the tailed beasts.

 

[Thundercles]

Its just a tentacle that got sucked

Thank you. Not a hard concept.

1- That proves nothing, you know that, right? Back then, naruto hadn't become friends with kurama, so it explains obito's statements,as well as why naruto is not listed on the list. That still doesn't prove your concept of perfect jin.
Kisame just called him the perfect jin.
People call naruto Bijuu mode(in the manga, in the chapter's name, what are you thinking?) for a reason. Bee even said that he got his bijuu mode.
But if you're really willing to discuss this, let's a make a thread to see if naruto is a perfect jin.

2- No, you didn't. But the one who is extracting te hachibi and the kyuubi right now is madara, not obito.
Yeah, you're right, zetsu didn't say the hachibi had to be extracted. However, he said madara was trying to extract them. So, you have no proof that madara would stop the process and pull bee along with the bijuu. You have no proof, nor evidence. There is a reason for which he would spend his time trying to extract it.

3- Yeah, it's irrelevant, and I explained. Being a different sealing tech or not doesn't change the mechaniqs of the substitution jutsu. The momment madara would try to pull itto the gedo mazou, it would turn into the tail again. That's how the substitution jutsu worked. Obito was trying to pull bijuu chakra out of the fake bee, the tail revelead itself. Madara is trying to the same, the jutsu would reveal itself.
Using different methods of sealing wouldn't change the mechaniqs of the substitution jutsu.

1- yes, it does prove that Bee is a perfect Jin and Naruto isn't. Naruto cannot turn into Kurama, nor can he turn parts of his body into Kurama's like Bee. It's in the manga scans I provided. Kisame even says that about Bee. Furthermore I never said Naruto doesn't have BM. He just doesn't have it like other Jin would.
2- yes, he was trying to extract it. But then he said f-it and just yanked everyone in.
3- you don't know how Madara's sealing tech works. You've just seen it. How can you claim to know all it's parameters? It is clearly different than anything seen. The one Akatsuki used is COMPLETELY different.

 

[Thundercles]

You must also remember that Gyuki gave a remorseful apology to Bee as he got sucked in. This wouldn't be necessary if it was just a substitution.

Also, Gyuki was already wrapped up in chains before he cut the tentacle. Therefore he wouldn't be free to use substitution jutsu (which is just fast movement).

I think that tentacle was meant to be given to Naruto along with some of Shukaku's chakara so that Naruto could have the chakara of all the tailed beasts.

1- could have just been done for plot. Misdirection.
2- he was already hit and consumed by Amaterasu and did it.
3- that is plausible

 

[saw2097]

If it were that easy then Kurama would have done the same for Naruto, Kishi is beating us over the head with the absolute rule, it would be bad writing for Bee to live.

 

[Wolfus]

Thank you. Not a hard concept.


1- yes, it does prove that Bee is a perfect Jin and Naruto isn't. Naruto cannot turn into Kurama, nor can he turn parts of his body into Kurama's like Bee. It's in the manga scans I provided. Kisame even says that about Bee. Furthermore I never said Naruto doesn't have BM. He just doesn't have it like other Jin would.
2- yes, he was trying to extract it. But then he said f-it and just yanked everyone in.
3- you don't know how Madara's sealing tech works. You've just seen it. How can you claim to know all it's parameters? It is clearly different than anything seen. The one Akatsuki used is COMPLETELY different.

1- No, it doesn't. Neither of chars said that current naruto isn't a perfect jin. Naruto not turning into a flesh kurama isn't because he isn't a perfect jin, but it's either because of plot, kurama, or the seal. He does everything a perfect jin does: he enters BM(the mode in which the jinchuriki and the bijuu puts their chakra together and fight as one), he talks to kurama just like bee, he is friends with kurama, and he can change spots with kurama, just like bee.

2- A big ass assumption. You have no evidence of that, not a single one.

3- I don't have to know madara's sealing tech. I'm not talking about madara's tech. I'm talking about SUBSTITUTION jutsu, and we've seen how it works countless times.

 

[nandachikara]

Bee please don't die yet,you have not won the grammy for best rapper alive,this has been your dream and the reason you didn't quit rapping when people say you suck.what a sad career.