[VS] Obito VS Kakashi

[End of Days]

ok so you think kakashi can counter izanagi and kurama?or get past uchiha kaenjin

getting past uchiha kaejin is as easy as burrowing a hole underground
what will izanagi do? allow obito to evade death once, he gets raikiri'ed again once he respawns

obito isnt catching him off guard unless kakashi is so tired he cant move like konan who exhausted herself blowing the billions of bombs
and kakashi's sense of hearing, smell are so good he was able to detect the kumo fodder who had turned invisible

 

[~Sky~]

People need to give Obito Kurama for him to have a chance. Lol

OT: Non-Kurama Obito loses; if he miraculously has Kurama, then he wins.

 

[wael reda]

obito hasnt kuarma and if he had then kakashi would kill him by instant kamui on his neck

 

[Tartarus]

obito hasnt kuarma and if he had then kakashi would kill him by instant kamui on his neck

Normal BS from Kakashitards.

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The only way Kakashi can bypass Obito's intangibility is by warping himself but then Obito can just expel him. Kakashi loses in any situation outside of both of them being in the kamui dimension.

 

[wael reda]

Normal BS from Kakashitards.

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The only way Kakashi can bypass Obito's intangibility is by warping himself but then Obito can just expel him. Kakashi loses in any situation outside of both of them being in the kamui dimension.

if you notice ,you will see that obito stopped kakashis kamui on gedo after three panels ,see the previous page too,
kakashis kamui on gedo which took his arm was instant ,in no panels ,minato couldnt even know what happened
conclusion,obito wont stop kakashis kamui if he doesnt see or notice it ,obito took some time to notice,react then stop it (see the previous page)
i amnot sure but kakashi can even misdirect obito by a false fight then kill the kiubi

 

[Trollkage]

Kakashi beats all form of obito

 

[ReverseZero12]

Obito takes this. This is obvious if you have read and understood the manga properly. It's just so sad how this thread has 4 pages when it should have been settled in the first post that said obito.

 

[EZQ]

Obito takes this. This is obvious if you have read and understood the manga properly. It's just so sad how this thread has 4 pages when it should have been settled in the first post that said obito.

If you read the manga well, you should know that Kakashi beats MS Obito if he has knowledge on his abilities, and he has. So Obito would beat him if he can summon the Gedo Mazo (wich can only be done with rinnengan).

 

[KidGamer65]

I see Kakashi is still being overrated.

Obito clearly beats him, Kakashi needed help to exploit Obito's Kaumi in the manga yet people think he'll do the same on his own? Smh.....

Again, Obito wins.

 

[EZQ]

I see Kakashi is still being overrated.

Obito clearly beats him, Kakashi needed help to exploit Obito's Kaumi in the manga yet people think he'll do the same on his own? Smh.....

Again, Obito wins.

This is Manga Knowledge, Kakashi knows about Obito's mechanism. That's why he would just need to send a clone to the other dimension to make the fight on his favour.

Obito can stop kamui, but not when it comes about human sized targets, when the target is small is so fast Obito can't even see it, so he wouldn't be able to stop it like he did with the mazo.

Once there is a clone on the pocket dimension Obito's intangibility is useless, and Obito without it and without his rinnengan can't beat Kakashi.

 

[xcoyote]

This is Manga Knowledge, Kakashi knows about Obito's mechanism. That's why he would just need to send a clone to the other dimension to make the fight on his favour.

Obito can stop kamui, but not when it comes about human sized targets, when the target is small is so fast Obito can't even see it, so he wouldn't be able to stop it like he did with the mazo.

Once there is a clone on the pocket dimension Obito's intangibility is useless, and Obito without it and without his rinnengan can't beat Kakashi.

Obito can just spit out the clone.

 

[EZQ]

Obito can just spit out the clone.

He would have done that when Naruto and Kakashi were atacking from both dimensions, it seems that he can't do that while fighting.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is Manga Knowledge, Kakashi knows about Obito's mechanism. That's why he would just need to send a clone to the other dimension to make the fight on his favour.

Obito can stop kamui, but not when it comes about human sized targets, when the target is small is so fast Obito can't even see it, so he wouldn't be able to stop it like he did with the mazo.

Once there is a clone on the pocket dimension Obito's intangibility is useless, and Obito without it and without his rinnengan can't beat Kakashi.

I don't know why people believe that its that simple. The clone that is warped needs to be close to the point Obito decides to go intangible at otherwise this counter doesn't work.

Step 1: Naruto getting close to Obito and then being warped away. [

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Step 2: Make Obito go tangible at the same place. [

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Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit, Lol. [

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Kakashi cannot replicate this by himself, as the manga clearly shows he needs Naruto's help, even with knowledge on how Kamui works. So there really is no argument here, Kakashi can't beat Obito as he cannot counter his intangibility alone.

Obito would kill him with Mokuton or Shuriken used in conjunction with his intangibility. He'd phase through his attacks and kill him, or he'd phase through his attacks and use Bakufu Rambu at close range.

 

[EZQ]

I don't know why people believe that its that simple. The clone that is warped needs to be close to the point Obito decides to go intangible at otherwise this counter doesn't work.

Step 1: Naruto getting close to Obito and then being warped away. [

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Step 2: Make Obito go tangible at the same place. [

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Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit, Lol. [

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Kakashi cannot replicate this by himself, as the manga clearly shows he needs Naruto's help, even with knowledge on how Kamui works. So there really is no argument here, Kakashi can't beat Obito as he cannot counter his intangibility alone.

Obito would kill him with Mokuton or Shuriken used in conjunction with his intangibility. He'd phase through his attacks and kill him, or he'd phase through his attacks and use Bakufu Rambu at close range.

Kakashi's clone doesn't need to be at the exact same place where Obito goes intangible, it would be like this.

The clone is in the other dimension waiting, watching closely, of a sudden he sees obito's head showing on the pocket dimension (because on the real dimension kakashi threw a punch for example) it can be 3mts away, or 10 mts, 25mts etc.... anyways Kakashi just needs to be on time to use raikiri on it before the head dissapears (or stomach or bla bla bla).

You posted a scan that proves that i'm right, Naruto's clone was a few mts away from where Obito went intangible, the clone wasn't warped on the exact same place as Obito used his ghost mode, it would happen the same with Kakashi's clone, it wouldn't be on the exact same place but he would be close enough to land an atack on the other dimension

EDIT: i forgot, Of course Kakashi would rather using Naruto's help than doing it by himself, Naruto is a lot faster and stronger, while he was out of stamina and his eye was bleeding, he couldn't do that by himself considering he was trashed and without energy.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi's clone doesn't need to be at the exact same place where Obito goes intangible, it would be like this.

The clone is in the other dimension waiting, watching closely, of a sudden he sees obito's head showing on the pocket dimension (because on the real dimension kakashi threw a punch for example) it can be 3mts away, or 10 mts, 25mts etc.... anyways Kakashi just needs to be on time to use raikiri on it before the head dissapears (or stomach or bla bla bla).

That's not how it works, now you are just arguing with the manga. If it worked like this they wouldn't need to get the timing right in the manga, so its pretty obvious that it does not work like this despite your belief.

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If your method worked Kakashi never would have said he needed to get the timing right. And don't say it was to surprise Obito, because Obito's knowledge on whether there is a clone in his dimension or not wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Even if your way worked, Obito would simply move about on the battlefield, creating so much distance between Kakashi's clone and his relative position in the Kamui world that the clones presence would be irrelevant, it wouldn't be able to do anything before Obito became intangible and then went back to normal mode.

You posted a scan that proves that i'm right, Naruto's clone was a few mts away from where Obito went intangible, the clone wasn't warped on the exact same place as Obito used his ghost mode, it would happen the same with Kakashi's clone, it wouldn't be on the exact same place but he would be close enough to land an atack on the other dimension

That isn't a few meters, Naruto is right in front of Obito just like he was before he got warped into the Kamui dimension. Its manga fact that the clone needs to be warped right near Obito in order for this to work.

EDIT: i forgot, Of course Kakashi would rather using Naruto's help than doing it by himself, Naruto is a lot faster and stronger, while he was out of stamina and his eye was bleeding, he couldn't do that by himself considering he was trashed and without energy.

He couldn't do that by himself because he couldn't, that's all that's implied. Them needing to come together to defeat Obito shows that none of them could win on their own. Just like how KCM Naruto and B couldn't beat Nagato without help from Itachi, and vice versa.

 

[EZQ]

That's not how it works, now you are just arguing with the manga. If it worked like this they wouldn't need to get the timing right in the manga, so its pretty obvious that it does not work like this despite your belief.

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If your method worked Kakashi never would have said he needed to get the timing right. And don't say it was to surprise Obito, because Obito's knowledge on whether there is a clone in his dimension or not wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Even if your way worked, Obito would simply move about on the battlefield, creating so much distance between Kakashi's clone and his relative position in the Kamui world that the clones presence would be irrelevant, it wouldn't be able to do anything before Obito became intangible and then went back to normal mode.



That isn't a few meters, Naruto is right in front of Obito just like he was before he got warped into the Kamui dimension. Its manga fact that the clone needs to be warped right near Obito in order for this to work.





He couldn't do that by himself because he couldn't, that's all that's implied. Them needing to come together to defeat Obito shows that none of them could win on their own. Just like how KCM Naruto and B couldn't beat Nagato without help from Itachi, and vice versa.

1- Kakashi: "i must get the timing right" , that was because it was their onle chance, it was his last kamui, he had no chakra left, he couldn't fail that last attempt, after that his eye started to bleed.

2- "Even if your way worked, Obito would simply move about on the battlefield, creating so much distance between Kakashi's clone and his relative position in the Kamui world that the clones presence would be irrelevant, it wouldn't be able to do anything before Obito became intangible and then went back to normal mode." If Obito starts doing that, the real Kakashi would just follow him and making him go intangible all the time, atacking constantly so Obito has to use ghost mode all the time so the clone on the pocket dimension would know about where obito is almost all the time. Obito would be moving on the battlefield and the clone would be following him thanks to the atacks of the real kakashi.

3- "That isn't a few meters, Naruto is right in front of Obito just like he was before he got warped into the Kamui dimension. Its manga fact that the clone needs to be warped right near Obito in order for this to work." The reason of this is that Obito would go back to the real dimension as soon as the Bijuudama ends, that's why Naruto had just about 3 seconds to atack Obito, because after that, Obito would just make his body tangible again, that's the reason why Naruto needed to be close to Obito when he was warped, because there was a really close gap of time, but this is not the case with Kakashi, Kakashi can keep atacking constantly giving the clone a lot of attemps to atack Obito no time limit, the first ones would be for the clone to locate Obito and then he can atack, it doesn't matter if he is warped far away because he doesn't have a limit time, Kakashi can keep atacking all he wants and Obito would go ghost mode more than one time, so the clone would be able to locate Obito and atack him

4- All right if you were Kakashi and you had the chance to solo Obito, but you have the option to save chakra and give the chance to someone a lot stronger than you, what would you do? Kakashi using Naruto's help doesn't mean he can't do it by himself while manga feats who he is more than capable of doing that.

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Kakashi: "i must get the timing right" , that was because it was their onle chance, it was his last kamui, he had no chakra left, he couldn't fail that last attempt, after that his eye started to bleed.

He didn't say he must not fail to warp the clone, he said he needs to get the timing right. That has nothing to do with whether or not the clone gets warped because if the clone wants to get warped, it will get warped and no one can stop it. Timing refers to warping Naruto at the right moment, not because its their last chance. Not to mention he says he can use Kamui a few more times. [

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Nice excuse though, Lol

2- If Obito starts doing that, the real Kakashi would just follow him and making him go intangible all the time, atacking constantly so Obito has to use ghost mode all the time so the clone on the pocket dimension would know about where obito is almost all the time. Obito would be moving on the battlefield and the clone would be following him thanks to the atacks of the real kakashi.

lol, stop. Obito can phase through the ground at will, he can teleport around the battlefield at will yet Kakashi will make him stay in Ghost Mode all the time? Lol If Kakashi tries this, Obito slips through him, gets behind him and kills him with Bakufu Rambu or a giant Kamui propelled Shuriken.

3- The reason of this is that Obito would go back to the real dimension as soon as the Bijuudama ends, that's why Naruto had just about 3 seconds to atack Obito, because after that, Obito would just make his body tangible again, that's the reason why Naruto needed to be close to Obito when he was warped, because there was a really close gap of time, but this is not the case with Kakashi, Kakashi can keep atacking constantly giving the clone a lot of attemps to atack Obito no time limit, the first ones would be for the clone to locate Obito and then he can atack, it doesn't matter if he is warped far away because he doesn't have a limit time, Kakashi can keep atacking all he wants and Obito would go ghost mode more than one time, so the clone would be able to locate Obito and atack him

The Bijuu Dama enveloped his whole body, not to mention it was much larger than he was as it was larger than Killer B, if they hadwarped the clone from where they were they still would have made it in time, so no. This excuse doesn't help you either.

This also goes against Kakashi needing to get the timing right.

4- All right if you were Kakashi and you had the chance to solo Obito, but you have the option to save chakra and give the chance to someone a lot stronger than you, what would you do? Kakashi using Naruto's help doesn't mean he can't do it by himself while manga feats who he is more than capable of doing that.

Uh, yes it does. Listing the benefits for getting help from Naruto doesn't change that, and no, feats don't let him beat Obito. There is no legit argument on this whole thread that allows Kakashi to beat Obito.

"Clone warp into Kamuiland GG" is the result of people misunderstanding what Kakashi and Naruto pulled off.

 

[EZQ]

He didn't say he must not fail to warp the clone, he said he needs to get the timing right. That has nothing to do with whether or not the clone gets warped because if the clone wants to get warped, it will get warped and no one can stop it. Timing refers to warping Naruto at the right moment, not because its their last chance. Not to mention he says he can use Kamui a few more times. [

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Nice excuse though, Lol



lol, stop. Obito can phase through the ground at will, he can teleport around the battlefield at will yet Kakashi will make him stay in Ghost Mode all the time? Lol If Kakashi tries this, Obito slips through him, gets behind him and kills him with Bakufu Rambu or a giant Kamui propelled Shuriken.



The Bijuu Dama enveloped his whole body, not to mention it was much larger than he was as it was larger than Killer B, if they hadwarped the clone from where they were they still would have made it in time, so no. This excuse doesn't help you either.

This also goes against Kakashi needing to get the timing right.



Uh, yes it does. Listing the benefits for getting help from Naruto doesn't change that, and no, feats don't let him beat Obito. There is no legit argument on this whole thread that allows Kakashi to beat Obito.

"Clone warp into Kamuiland GG" is the result of people misunderstanding what Kakashi and Naruto pulled off.

1- Sure Kakashi needed to do the timing right, because they needed Naruto to be close to Obito when he goes ghost mode, because the time gap would be only as long as the time that the Bijuudama would take to be on obito's position.

2- "lol, stop. Obito can phase through the ground at will, he can teleport around the battlefield at will yet Kakashi will make him stay in Ghost Mode all the time? Lol If Kakashi tries this, Obito slips through him, gets behind him and kills him with Bakufu Rambu or a giant Kamui propelled Shuriken" You said it yourself, Obito would go ghost mode around the battlefield and teleporting... That would be using ghost mode and that would give the clone on the other dimension a clue of where Obito is. Also Kakashi counters bafuku rambu by going underground and the shurikens with a doton wall, Kakashi's speed is great, enough to keep up with 4 v2 jinjurickies at the same time, his speed is enough to keep Obito using ghost mode pretty often, enough to give the clone enough chances to locate him and kill him (also Obito would be using ghost mode by himself to kill kakashi).

3- "The Bijuu Dama enveloped his whole body, not to mention it was much larger than he was as it was larger than Killer B, if they hadwarped the clone from where they were they still would have made it in time, so no. This excuse doesn't help you either. "
This argument doesn't make sense, what other reason would it be that Naruto needed to be close to Obito when being warped? There are only two: Surprising Obito and making him think the clone was taken down with the stake or Being close enough to Obito to be able to atack him before he can go tangible again. There is absolutely no other reason, your argument of "if the clone is not close then it doesn't work" makes no sense, if the clone is not close to Obito then he can get closer.
Answer this: Why did naruto need to be close to Obito when being warped? There are only 2 reasons wich I already listed above.

4- By mangafacts, Kakashi stomps Obito on base skills, without Kamui and Rinnengan Obito gets his ass kicked, and on this fight his MS is half restricted while the clone can keep following him from the other dimension and his Rinnengan is resticted.

 

[EZQ]

Wow this thread is close to be +100 posts. 2 more

 

[Touken]

Couldn't Kakashi's clone teleport himself via Kamui to Obito, forcing him to go CQC? And once Kakashi's clone is close enough in the real world, the original Kakashi can Kamui his clone to land hits on Obito whenever he uses Kamui to go intangible.

w0w, much kamui