Brother Numpsay
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You made a point, second sentence. How exactly is Hashi's shown faster if we were to measure the time of Naruto entering and when Hashi entering.
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when I said Hashirama is faster. It took him a few seconds (Hence Gaara asking him if he's ready yet, so he's been waiting for a bit) before he was ready.Then again its possible that he simply got faster. (Though I doubt it) Either way wouldn't be detrimental to my argument anyway.
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1.Considering he had alot of clones around, it might tempered with his chakra to transform faster.
2. Then he does it faster without clone interference[
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]3. Then Naruto claim even faster with Kurama's chakra support[
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].Hashi speed is between 2. or 3.
Since the Madara vs Hashi is still the most accurate of him entering with no off panel time excuse, Imma have to go with 2. Naruto's speed. Unless you believe Hashi's DNA/chakra can act like Kurama's reserves thus the same as 3.
I just don't see entering faster then Ay's speed blitz.
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He only had 2, and they were destroyed when Madara countered Rasengan.
I agree that its in between 2 and 3, not as fast as 3 of course, but slightly faster than 2.
Then instead of entering Sage Mode he can cast Bringer of Darkness and then enter Sage Mode as Ay won't be able to locate him.
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KingHashirama
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@Ay Speed Blitz
Tobirama > Ay, when it comes to speed. If Hashirama was vastly above Tobirama as the strongest shinobi.. I'm pretty sure logic says he can react to his speed.
Tobirama > Ay, when it comes to speed. If Hashirama was vastly above Tobirama as the strongest shinobi.. I'm pretty sure logic says he can react to his speed.
Ay foddized by hashi. Sm nardo soloed third raikage who was > the fourth. He either out lasts him with his larger reserve . Than he can use the bringer of darkness and keep hitting him. I think he can use shadow clomes right?
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Senju = blessed with physical energy.
LOGICALLY, Hashirama has a strong body.. as you can see he can crack rooms without any movement.... Hashirama is the highest representation of the Senju Body (Having The Juubi's Body aka Mokuton).
He have never faced anyone like that to show feats. So why expect him to?
1. Hashirama is blessed with physical energy, and if you guys know about physical energy, you would know that it is basically acquired through training of the body.
2. He possess a stronger body than Ay, why? Because he is pinnacle of Senju body.
3. Since when was Ay not vulnerable to swords or Kunais?
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Doesn't mean he can produce the strength necessary to harm Ay.
Doesn't mean he's more durable than Ay, cause if he was black rods wouldn't have pierced his body. Kunai and weapons wouldn't be able to hurt him either, but they can as we've seen multiple times.
This also doesn't mean he can produce the strength necessary to harm Ay.
Ever since he
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to the neck.I can already tell that your argument will be nothing but speculation.
KingHashirama
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Know what a speculation is, and what a factual hypothesis is.
Are you claiming The Raikage have a stronger body than the Senju? is that what you are trying to claim? if so I need evidence. Manga clearly puts the Senju above when it comes to body.
Yes having the strongest body, and the highest chakra amounts shown for a non-jinchuriki surely doesn't make you more durable.... yes very nice.
I don't think moving out the way before he can hit you is considered TANKING. To tank something you must get hit by it first..... =].
Now let me apply your logic on you. Where is stated Ay has more durable body than the Senju pinnacle? Where is it shown that Ay's body is stronger than the Senju pinnacle? Putting someone above the people who were born special with their bodies, requires proof on your side.
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without SM also. o-o. Mokuton itself has regeneration properties, SM isn't required.
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A hypothesis has some kind of legit support backing it up, you have a baseless assumption. The baseless assumption that having strong physical energy means you are durable, even though it doesn't.
Ay tanked Chidori Katana to the back and Hashirama gets cut by Kunai, weapons and pierced by Madara's black rods. I don't know if you are smart enough to put two and two together so I'll do it for you.
Ay tanked something Hashirama can't, so he's more durable. Simple as that.
And since when did having high chakra levels make you durable? Oh wait....never. Like I said, Ay tanks Raiton enhanced weaponry while Hashirama gets cut by it, so his durability is inferior to Ay's, there is nothing more to say on the topic.
Except Ay didn't move out of the way, it bounced off his neck.
When Hashirama can top
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instead of getting
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by rods, and being able to be
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, then you can talk.3rd Raikage took FRS, I hope you aren't saying Hashirama can do the same.
Ay took Chidori Katana to the neck with no damage, I hope you aren't saying Hashirama can do the same.
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lol, what are you talking about? The fight being offpanel doesn't change the fact he got pierced by them, and "magical plot device" isn't a retort.
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Its a baseless assumption? oh really, even tho i provided the base of my "assumption"
Physical energy is collected from the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Himm having the highest, already grants him more stamina.
Ah yes, its my fault, on that. However you do know the lightening armor was up? But anyways,those rods > Chidori sword, there is a reason why they can't be pulled out that easily. They are much more dense.
Also, I believe we have the definition of durability mixed. When I'm talking about durability, I'm talking about the dictionary definition.
Durable:
- staying strong and in good condition over a long period of time
- the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.
Though I see you are solely going for the Tanking in regards to determine who is more "durable", that would be like saying Ay is more durable than Kushina... when the reality is he isn't. He simply has a lightening armor and a harder body.
Hashirama tanks via regeneration.. nothing really big here. Since we are counting their jutsus now when counting durability.
Since when does having chakra make you more durable? Every since the fact that low chakra = higher fatigue. Loss of chakra = Death.... Ever since that , low chakra = less durable.