Yata doesn't block everything.

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Oh yeah, because covering your wear with your hands to protect yourself against a sound so intense it will make you deaf will solve the problem.
You obviously don't know the meaning of atack.

at·tack (ə-tăk′)
v. at·tacked, at·tack·ing, at·tacks
v.tr.
1. To set upon with violent force.
2. To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.
3. To start work on with purpose and vigor: attack a problem.
4. To begin to affect harmfully:

Definition of atack. "To begin to affect harmfully". If it's used against you in order to harm you, it's an atack.

Funny you say that light isnat an atack: Perhaps you want to tell kabuto that(since his atack made sasuke deactivate susanoo). Perhaps you want to tell every dbz character that(solar flare).

The thing is: any sound based atack or mechanical wave-like atack with frequency and wave length similar to sound would get through yata. Any light based atack or any eletromagnetic wave- like atack with frequency and wave length similar to light would get through.

I explained this based on events that happened on the manga. I'm not beleiving in what I want.
Perhaps you must stop being a stupid fapboy and acutally try to pull an argument.

You're so desperate t keep the hype that you went against the definition of atack. Good luck with going against common sense.
Sweet. Light just got through yata. Now itachi died to a solar flare.
Profit.
I'm sure you can also find a way how light will be deadly. Maybe itachi will look at the sun and go blind... Oh wait, he'd still be able to keep up susano'o rest of opponents arsenal that actually do meaningful damage is still useless.
 

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Sweet. Light just got through yata. Now itachi died to a solar flare.
Profit.
I'm sure you can also find a way how light will be deadly. Maybe itachi will look at the sun and go blind... Oh wait, he'd still be able to keep up susano'o.
Yeah, being blind isn't a problem at all. Light based atacks aren't a problem either. That's why itachi and sasuke weren't even bothered when kabuto used his atack, it's not like sasuke didn't even manage to keep his susanoo... oh, wait.
 

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Yeah, being blind isn't a problem at all. Light based atacks aren't a problem either. That's why itachi and sasuke weren't even bothered when kabuto used his atack, it's not like sasuke didn't even manage to keep his susanoo... oh, wait.
Its not like itachi didn't activate susano'o while it was happening...

Oh wait.
 

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It's not like kabuto would have re-written itachi's mind if sasuke wasn't there

Oh wait.
Its not like kabuto got those chances because itachi used his jutsu to protect sasuke instead of himself...
Oh wait.
In fact none of this happened yata, light or sound. So I don't even know why you brought it up m
 

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Its not like kabuto got those chances because itachi used his jutsu to protect sasuke instead of himself...
Oh wait.
In fact none of this happened yata, light or sound. So I don't even know why you brought it up m
Without sasuke, kabuto would've gotten itachi. Kabuto wnet for sasuke anyway, not itachi.

Because I explained in the thread how sound and light can go through yata, so sound based atacks and light based atacks, that share the same properties, will go through yata.
 
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Without sasuke, kabuto would've gotten itachi. Kabuto wnet for sasuke anyway, not itachi.

Because I explained in the thread how sound and light can go through yata, so sound based atacks and light based atacks, that share the same properties, woill go through yata.
Bringing up 'kabuto would get itachi' has nothing to do with the thread because it wouldn't have happened during the light and sound.
For that matter, it's the vibrations of the sub sonic sound that rattled bones and dropped susano'o. The physical shaking and vibration is something yata would be able to block by the shield just rattling with enough frequency so that the two waveforms met in a 'destructive' fashion and cancelled out. If the vibrations can't get past the shield, then they can't get to the body because air particles inside the shield cannot be vibrated to such a degree when the amount of power needed to do that has already been neutralized. light and sound would still get through, but that's useless without heat or vibrations. It's just pointless light and sound which can be reduced by closing your eyes/blocking your ears.
Anyway I'm gone now.
 
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Whereas I like your effort on explaining why you think Yata is not what the hype is saying, you really haven't proven your point (with facts anyways). I find it very difficult to believe that something that can change its physical properties to match an attack will have problems adapting to light and sound. I can use any opaque object to block light, you think a spiritual shield will have a problem turning itself opaque? I don't think so. Also sound-proofing is not that hard either, just absorb the vibrations or dispel it and you are good to go...sand comes to mind as I say this.
As other people have said though, the burden of proof is on your side and you haven't done so yet. When something...anything gets through the Yata shield, and causes some type of harm to its owner (Itachi), then we can say that the databook (which incidentally has more facts than things proven wrong) was exaggerating about its ability.
 

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Bringing up 'kabuto would get itachi' has nothing to do with the thread because it wouldn't have happened during the light and sound.
For that matter, it's the vibrations of the sub sonic sound that rattled bones and dropped susano'o. The physical shaking and vibration is something yata would be able to block by the shield just rattling with enough frequency so that the two waveforms met in a 'destructive' fashion and cancelled out. If the vibrations can't get past the shield, then they can't get to the body because air particles inside the shield cannot be vibrated to such a degree when the amount of power needed to do that has already been neutralized. light and sound would still get through, but that's useless without heat or vibrations. It's just pointless light and sound which can be reduced by closing your eyes/blocking your ears.
Anyway I'm gone now.
Yata can't block mechanical waves. It was fully covering itahci, and yet he could hear and talk to people.
Besides, there is a minimal frequency that the wave should have in order to have that effect. However, if it's above that frequency, considering it's sound, then it would have the same effect if it was higher. So yata wouldn't make too much of a difference.

Being reduced doesn't mean being ceased. If you block your ears with your hand, you can still hear a lot of things. So a sound atack might still harm you. Another thing, if the light atack is used, considering that it has light pattern, then it shall be also at light speed. So, before getting the chance of closing their eyes, that atack will have already hit.
 

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Whereas I like your effort on explaining why you think Yata is not what the hype is saying, you really haven't proven your point (with facts anyways). I find it very difficult to believe that something that can change its physical properties to match an attack will have problems adapting to light and sound. I can use any opaque object to block light, you think a spiritual shield will have a problem turning itself opaque? I don't think so. Also sound-proofing is not that hard either, just absorb the vibrations or dispel it and you are good to go...sand comes to mind as I say this.
As other people have said though, the burden of proof is on your side and you haven't done so yet. When something...anything gets through the Yata shield, and causes some type of harm to its owner (Itachi), then we can say that the databook (which incidentally has more facts than things proven wrong) was exaggerating about its ability.
Yet, I didn't see this properties changing in the manga. If you're willing to mention the databook, you might as well consider that every susanoo has yata and totsuka.
Once some source of information starts to presnt multiple flaws, it can no longer be taken as "law until proven otherwise". Why? Because it's the same source of information. It no longer has a 100% of veracity, but a smaller %. So, there is a chance, and a considerable chance, that the information of that source is incorrect. We can't take that risk.

So, no. Databook is no law. It is an information that might be correct and complements the manga, but first, it must be analysed to see if it fits manga logic. Believing blindly in something already mistaken in the past is stupid.

we discuss about the manga, as the stories, the plot, the chars, everything is first and mainly presented in the manga itself, not in the databook.
The databook was supposed to be an adcional information, a book that would explain and list somethings better. But it failed. Once, twice, many times. That's because either kishi doesn't want to spoil or that he changes his mind. However, when he changes his mind, he adds the new logic/rule to the manga first, and sometimes, he doesn't even bother to correct the databook.

The manga is where the events happens, is where the logic of that universe is created. The manga is the narutoverse, not the databook. That's why it has more credibility, and it will always have. It will present mistakes and incosistences, of course. But due to the above, it holds more importance than the databook.

Considering how the shiled was presented in the manga, my explanation stands, since I used drawings in the manga and logic to prove my point.
 

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you should also add that itachi couldnt counter the gravitational force of chibaku tensei by himself using yata and had to resort to naruto and bee's help
 

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Your right about the sound but not about light based attacks, but I really cant be asked explaining I would have to get into wave lengths, light filters, types of light, the energy from the attack , materialisation of susanoo, yata mirror properties and such I could sit here and write an essay but about sound you are correct 100%
 

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Your right about the sound but not about light based attacks, but I really cant be asked explaining I would have to get into wave lengths, light filters, types of light, the energy from the attack , materialisation of susanoo, yata mirror properties and such I could sit here and write an essay but about sound you are correct 100%
I said it: a eletromagnetic wave with similar wave lenght and frequency as the light would get through. I don't see the problem with that. Unless it falls under the particle/wave duality of the light.
 

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Yes but the light and sound wasn't attacking Itachi in that scenario. So what has been said about being proven wrong still stands. It has been proven in the manga that not all susanoo has the sword and shield, so there we have the case here where Hishi changed his mind on the matter and thus prove the databook incorrect in that case. He hasn't done so yet with the shield and as such, the hype will stand.
 

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Yes but the light and sound wasn't attacking Itachi in that scenario. So what has been said about being proven wrong still stands. It has been proven in the manga that not all susanoo has the sword and shield, so there we have the case here where Hishi changed his mind on the matter and thus prove the databook incorrect in that case. He hasn't done so yet with the shield and as such, the hype will stand.
Do you know kishi's mind? Maybe he changed it and simply didn't add to the databook.
As I said, it's hard to trust on a flawed source of information.

Besides, does the shield have a mind on his own to identify what are atack and what are not? Like" oh, that's an atack, I'mma block it". "Oh, that? Nah, that's cool". If you have a shield, and you put it on your face, it will block everything that was going in that direction. If someone tells you "Hey, catch", and it hits the shield, it will be "blocked", being an atack or not.
The shield won't know if it's an atack or not.

So this "wasn't an atack" thing can't be used as an argument either.
 

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This thread is meaningless just like how Yata mirror makes any attack meaningless. Itachi only used Yata mirror once or twice. Both when he fought sasuke on his death bed. Never again did he use it. During the Kabuto fight, Itachi never used yata mirror. You really don't know what you are talking about do you?
 

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So you're saying that any energy based atack will get through?
Besides, even that is not completely true. Depending on the intensity, sound can be just like a physical atack. Last night I went out, and there was this dude with his music(shitty music, by the way) and it was so intense that it set up the alarm of the 3 cars, as if someone had hit the car.
Still, sounds get through.
Not all sound based attack will get through. The dudes in Part 1, their attacks would be repelled
 
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