Had BSM Naruto surpassed base Hashi?

[AlphaScythian]

....... Yes he reached naruto how to use sm.

proof that naruto have natural sensor abilities from father? thank you. you proved himself that juugos senjutsu not equals true sage mode because not give sensor abilities.

You have to prove me where sensing is linked with SM.
Jiraya doesnt have it, even thou his SM is abit different cuz he absorbs more nature energy he still should sense shit.
Ma doesnt have it, Pa doesnt have it, gamakichi doesnt have it.
Hashi has it in base mode, kabuto got karin's DNA thus sensing.
Juugo can only sense birds, yet he has 100% legit SM.

 

[shelke]

^ Bull. SM uses Senjustu and Juugus CM is Senjustu. That's it. There is no fake or real SM. Give me a break.

 

[Huzaifa]

^ Bull. SM uses Senjustu and Juugus CM is Senjustu. That's it. There is no fake or real SM. Give me a break.

No thats not sage mode. So people with kurama cloaks are jins? That is called chackra donations.

 

[shelke]

^ You do realize that that SM is nothing more than utilizing Senjustu? Juugo does it naturally, as it's his clan's ability. Not a decent analogy, pal. In fact, Orochimaru is stating that the Susano'o Sasuke is using through Natural Energy is Senjutu Susano'o.

 

[take it easy]

You have to prove me where sensing is linked with SM.
Jiraya doesnt have it, even thou his SM is abit different cuz he absorbs more nature energy he still should sense shit.
Ma doesnt have it, Pa doesnt have it, gamakichi doesnt have it.
Hashi has it in base mode, kabuto got karin's DNA thus sensing.
Juugo can only sense birds, yet he has 100% legit SM.

not perfect sage mode for jiraya
not showed not equals lack of sensor abilities
where? i dont remember hashi show sensor abilities in base
do you serious with juugo argument? lol

^ Bull. SM uses Senjustu and Juugus CM is Senjustu. That's it. There is no fake or real SM. Give me a break.

senjutsu= natural energy not sage mode

 

[take it easy]

^ You do realize that that SM is nothing more than utilizing Senjustu? Juugo does it naturally, as it's his clan's ability. Not a decent analogy, pal. In fact, Orochimaru is stating that the Susano'o Sasuke is using through Natural Energy is Senjutu Susano'o.

again. for sage mode need perfect balance of natural, physical and spiritual energy...
so if juugo can absorb natural energy this not equals sage mode

 

[shelke]

^ .... You cannot be serious ...

Senjustu = Chakra + Natural Energy -

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[AlphaScythian]

not perfect sage mode for jiraya
not showed not equals lack of sensor abilities
where? i dont remember hashi show sensor abilities in base
do you serious with juugo argument? lol senjutsu= natural energy not sage mode

Not relevant so Speculation
But it could so speculation
Well obito, madara, zetsu have it and does base hashirama, read manga better.
yes i am, he calls SM sage transformation while looking at kabuto, yet he has no sensing himself.

This whole SM = sensing is made up BS, none of you can prove me otherwise.

 

[Huzaifa]

^ .... You cannot be serious ...

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Juugo absorbs senjutsu but can't control and goes bonkers. If your talking about the chackra yea but hes not a sage. Sage are people who can absorb on there own and balance perfectly.

 

[take it easy]

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and juugo not have perfect balance

Juugo absorbs senjutsu but can't control and goes bonkers. If your talking about the chackra yea but hes not a sage. Sage are people who can absorb on there own and balance perfectly.

solo thread

 

[Huzaifa]

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Spacey we are wasting time. The thread is about abilities not a discussion on sages, sage mode, and senjutsu.

 

[shelke]

Juugo absorbs senjutsu but can't control and goes bonkers. If your talking about the chackra yea but hes not a sage. Sage are people who can absorb on there own and balance perfectly.

Are you and 'Forever-Spaced-Out-Orange' imbeciles? Senjustu is a set of techniques created through Sage Chakra. Jugo doesn't absorb techniques and he is capable of controlling himself in Sasuke's presence. A fact he demonstrated during his Fight with Bee and Ae when he didn't attack his team members, otherwise, he's susceptible to that.

What the HELL are you people talking about anyway?

 

[take it easy]

Spacey we are wasting time. The thread is about abilities not a discussion on sages, sage mode, and senjutsu.

i know but some users have bad manga understanding.

 

[shelke]

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LOL Says that Senjutsu = Natural Energy. Great Manga understanding, right there.

 

[take it easy]

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LOL Says that Senjutsu = Natural Energy. Great Manga understanding, right there.

nobody perfect

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sigh.

What? No he doesn't. BM uses a separate form of chakra. At first, Kurama was to use his Chakra for its own - substitution as he was using its Chakra, like Bee and Hachibi do - but then it stopped taking it, meaning Naruto's chakra is completely intact, which is why he was able to enter SM readily. Even at KCM level, Naruto uses Kurama's chakra that is stored separately.

Sync doesn't mean enhancing power. Anyhow, this debate has gone on long enough. Pointless really, as Naruto has displayed JACK in terms of TBB destructive enhancement. Don't bother replying, as I won't reply back.

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Now which one of us is making unbased assumptions again? It makes no sense for Naruto to separate his chakra from Kuramas when he can gather natural energy and apply it to their merged chakra. Sasuke got natural energy applied to his susanoo. There's absolutely no reason why Naruto who actually achieved sage abilities by skill. For the record, ninjutsu is enhanced by over a factor of 5 for sure. If you want, I can show you the scans that leave me to believe so.

 

[shelke]

^ Never mind, I only had KCM and the Original Bee conversation in mind.

P.s: Let's not get too presumptuous, kay?

 

[TrollingSage]

Well I think BSM Naruto is definitely as strong as SM Hashirama, possibly stronger, in terms of raw power. What lets Naruto down is his lack of versatility. All he has is tbb and its variants and shadow clones. If he had say Jiraiya's versatility, he could definitely win against SM Hashirama.

 

[Multiply]

Well I think BSM Naruto is definitely as strong as SM Hashirama, possibly stronger, in terms of raw power. What lets Naruto down is his lack of versatility. All he has is tbb and its variants and shadow clones. If he had say Jiraiya's versatility, he could definitely win against SM Hashirama.

I can definitely agree with this U_U.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What? No he doesn't. BM uses a separate form of chakra. At first, Kurama was to use his Chakra for its own - substitution as he was using its Chakra, like Bee and Hachibi do - but then it stopped taking it, meaning Naruto's chakra is completely intact, which is why he was able to enter SM readily. Even at KCM level, Naruto uses Kurama's chakra that is stored separately.

Sync doesn't mean enhancing power. Anyhow, this debate has gone on long enough. Pointless really, as Naruto has displayed JACK in terms of TBB destructive enhancement. Don't bother replying, as I won't reply back.

^ Never mind, I only had KCM and the Original Bee conversation in mind.

P.s: Let's not get too presumptuous, kay?

Sorry, but between juggeling arguments between you and Alpha can make my tolerance lower. The fact that Alpha fanboys doesn't help.