Had BSM Naruto surpassed base Hashi?

[Murasame]

Even if Naruto was better power wise Hashirama is simply a bad match up for him. The only chance Naruto has winning is if he kept his distance and used his TBB's.

 

[AlphaScythian]

ewww.... since cursed mark ( ability which give chance used senjutsu)= true sage mode?

CM is senjutsu chakra, its only fake cuz sasuke doesnt have ability to absorb nature energy, end goal is the same, senjutsu chakra which makes it SM.

You only have to look at the size of Jiraiya's base rasengan and compare it to the one he made against Pain. Mind you that wasn't even perfect sage mode.

Base naruto can make rasengans of that size now. Jiraya's SM is actually overcloacked as he has toads marking thus more nature energy, naruto has it perfected due to perfect balance.
So SM jutsu relates to bigger jutsu only?

 

[iNotorious]

CM is senjutsu chakra, its only fake cuz sasuke doesnt have ability to absorb nature energy, end goal is the same, senjutsu chakra which makes it SM.

The question is, CM is on par with SM or is weaker ?

 

[shelke]

Maybe. You've forgotten Naruto in BM mixes his chakra with Kurama's. And also the fact that Kurama said Naruto syncrochised his (kurama's chakra) with is nature energy. Kurama's explanation makes it clear that BSM is a result of Naruto mixing and using nature, his chakra and kurama's chakra simultaneously. All the three chakras are combined into one chakra that Naruto uses.
He's not just using sage mode and bijuu mode at the same time.

What? No he doesn't. BM uses a separate form of chakra. At first, Kurama was to use his Chakra for its own - substitution as he was using its Chakra, like Bee and Hachibi do - but then it stopped taking it, meaning Naruto's chakra is completely intact, which is why he was able to enter SM readily. Even at KCM level, Naruto uses Kurama's chakra that is stored separately.

Sync doesn't mean enhancing power. Anyhow, this debate has gone on long enough. Pointless really, as Naruto has displayed JACK in terms of TBB destructive enhancement. Don't bother replying, as I won't reply back.

 

[LeSauce]

Equal grounds? Naruto has barely take a break after he gained KCM. Lol

Doesn't matter, he's been getting chakra every second.

Kakashi has shown that all you need is chakra to fight at full power.

 

[take it easy]

CM is senjutsu chakra, its only fake cuz sasuke doesnt have ability to absorb nature energy, end goal is the same, senjutsu chakra which makes it SM.

no. true perfect sage mode user give sensor abilities... so cursed mark not equals true sage mode.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I doubt it,Hashi was able to make a 100% full powered Kurama his pet.His Mokuton almost subdued Naruto when Madara tried out the Wood Dragon so I'd BSM Naruto still had a long way to go before he surpasses Hashirama.

 

[iNotorious]

I doubt it,Hashi was able to make a 100% full powered Kurama his pet.His Mokuton almost subdued Naruto when Madara tried out the Wood Dragon so I'd BSM Naruto still had a long way to go before he surpasses Hashirama.

His next power up might do the work.

 

[AlphaScythian]

The question is, CM is on par with SM or is weaker ?

Thats hard to tell. All SM users we know are so different.
Naruto has strong body enhancement which kabuto doesnt have for instance, and hashirama has healing.
But other then that i dont see any huge enhancement in jutsu, yeah maybe a new level but not 5-20X.

no. true perfect sage mode user give sensor abilities... so cursed mark not equals true sage mode.

It enhances sensory abilities imho. Hashirama sensor, kabuto sensor via karin DNA.
Naruto is half sensor from his father, but SM enhances this half and makes him true sensor.
That my view behind it.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

His next power up might do the work.

I don't see anything topping BSM though,unless he gets the fruit that is.

 

[shelke]

Damn it ... just have to post:

no. true perfect sage mode user give sensor abilities... so cursed mark not equals true sage mode.

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[iNotorious]

Thats hard to tell. All SM users we know are so different.
Naruto has strong body enhancement which kabuto doesnt have for instance, and hashirama has healing.
But other then that i dont see any huge enhancement in jutsu, yeah maybe a new level but not 5-20X.

Does CM has sensing?

I don't see anything topping BSM though,unless he gets the fruit that is.

Do not underestimate main character op jutsus at the end of the series.

 

[Huzaifa]

Even if Naruto was better power wise Hashirama is simply a bad match up for him. The only chance Naruto has winning is if he kept his distance and used his TBB's.

Not a vs thread ugh as we know hes a perfect counter for naruto most likely but a comparison thread of nijutsu , taijutsu , sensor blah blah.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Does CM has sensing?

Does fukusaku have it?

 

[Huzaifa]

Does fukusaku have it?

....... Yes he reached naruto how to use sm.

 

[take it easy]

It enhances sensory abilities imho. Hashirama sensor, kabuto sensor via karin DNA.
Naruto is half sensor from his father, but SM enhances this half and makes him true sensor.
That my view behind it.

proof that naruto have natural sensor abilities from father?

Damn it ... just have to post:

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thank you. you proved himself that juugos senjutsu not equals true sage mode because not give sensor abilities.

 

[shelke]

^ What is TRUE and FAKE SM? Your Self-created definitions?

 

[Murasame]

Not a vs thread ugh as we know hes a perfect counter for naruto most likely but a comparison thread of nijutsu , taijutsu , sensor blah blah.

Then make sure to specify that in the OP next time because no where in the OP did you seem to make it a comparion of ninjutus, taijutsu, sesnory, etc. You made it seem more about power because you mention him getting him full Kurama.

 

[take it easy]

^ What is TRUE and FAKE SM? Your Self-created definitions?

true sage mode userhave perfect balance of natural,spiritual and physical energy
true sage mode users have sensor abilities

 

[Huzaifa]

Then make sure to specify that in the OP next time because no where in the OP did you seem to make it a comparion of ninjutus, taijutsu, sesnory, etc. You made it seem more about power because you mention him getting him full Kurama.

That would enhance his jutsus and durability...........