(No hype) Why Hiruzen has always been Super broken! God-Hood understood..

[LegendaryAce]

Hiruzen:

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Just sayin. Tobirama was done in like 2 pages and he aint regenin (at least for now). If you goin to call Hiruzen fodder then that goes double for Tobirama

I like Tobirama
I like HIruzen
Hiruzen > Tobirama

I Dont hate hiruzen but if you wanna see how fodder hiruzen is let him charge towards madara , madara has a mad plot shield atm so nothing and noone can stop him for a while.

 

[EKSITE]

Hes fodder. King of Fodders.

Your logic is fodder.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yes you are right most likely but except HIRUZEN CAN NOT USE KKG, KKT, Sage mode or Special Summoning requiring techniques.

Good thread but let's not exeggerate him

 

[closecombat22]

sorry but nope kakashi has three nature, he said it him self he isnt a wind user thats why he called asuma to give naruto tips

Sorry dude kakashi as four

 

[Exaar]

Not sure of the possiblity of him knowing an "oil" Technique. Jiraiya displayed the ability to mold chakra into Oil in his battle with konan.

So a Large scale Oil attack followed by a large scale katon would be an impressive sight/combo.

Sorry dude kakashi as four

NO he has 3. Water/Earth/Lightning

Fire is Anime only and is not cannon

 

[Imperius]

Hiruzen:

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Tobirama:

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Just sayin. Tobirama was done in like 2 pages and he aint regenin (at least for now). If you goin to call Hiruzen fodder then that goes double for Tobirama

I like Tobirama
I like HIruzen
Hiruzen > Tobirama

This is your logic:
Tobirama got beaten by Madara
Hiruzen is fighting on equal ground with a Zetsu

Hiruzen > Tobirama

 

[ReverseZero12]

It's just sad that some people thought Hiruzen was weaker than sakura when even before this chapter, it was obvious that hiruzen would stomp her. The lack of knowledge that some people have here...

 

[Draegod]

Yes you are right most likely but except HIRUZEN CAN NOT USE KKG, KKT, Sage mode or Special Summoning requiring techniques.

Good thread but let's not exeggerate him

Thanks! But I never mentioned anything you listed. Did you not read the op?

 

[Draegod]

Yes you are right most likely but except HIRUZEN CAN NOT USE KKG, KKT, Sage mode or Special Summoning requiring techniques.

Good thread but let's not exeggerate him

Thanks! But I never mentioned anything you listed. Did you not read the op?

 

[paratise]

I like the analysis, dunno why some people are hating on thread (do one for Kiba and see the hatred overflowing 10x times more that's base for you)

Anyway good job, maybe he can utilize elemental attacks in combination like Kakuzu, can't be sure but even 2 seperate people like Naruto and Yamato did that:

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I don't see why Hiruzen's kage bunshins can't do the same. Even for his seen Alive state, it is possible since he utilized 2 kage bunshins.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Thanks! But I never mentioned anything you listed. Did you not read the op?

sorry I was going overboard to make sure that you won't try to force that as in other threads about Hiruzen I saw lol

Yeah and I read... anyway glad to meet another logical Hiruzen fan

 

[Draegod]

I like the analysis, dunno why some people are hating on thread (do one for Kiba and see the hatred overflowing 10x times more that's base for you)

Anyway good job, maybe he can utilize elemental attacks in combination like Kakuzu, can't be sure but even 2 seperate people like Naruto and Yamato did that:

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I don't see why Hiruzen's kage bunshins can't do the same. Even for his seen Alive state, it is possible since he utilized 2 kage bunshins.

I don't see why he can't combine elemental attacks. Sasuke and naruto did it perfectly with no practice Twice, Kakuzu did it all the time, Jaraiya did it with his Toads etc. It is simply putting Two elements together in a perfect ratio that could work together. And true at least 3 out of the five could be used at the same time for sure. But remember even when he was alive it wasn't that he couldn't make more clones it was more so that he had to plan and use them correctly (not spam and waist). He did 2 because he only needed 2 etc. And the Chakra for a S rank jutsu RDS must of been crazy so that right there is at least 5 more clones he could have done if not RDS.

sorry I was going overboard to make sure that you won't try to force that as in other threads about Hiruzen I saw lol

Yeah and I read... anyway glad to meet another logical Hiruzen fan

lol I guess.

 

[blazekev90]

Not much more i can add, other than brilliant thread! Covering his speed/reaction feats were well needed and depicted perfectly! Also, i really like the "monkey see, monkey do" ideology. It really explains how he was able to react and counteract Zetsu's feats in the last chapter instantly. Quite similar to Kakashi who depends on the sharingan to accomplish this.

 

[Joshutsu]

I still don't understand how his last feats shown in the recent chapter means he can beat Tsunade. We know he can use the different elements now as assumed before. It's the least he could have shown to proove the possibility of him being able to know all the common jutsu of the leaf.

If you guys are so convinced he is that strong why are these beliefs being forced to hard?

 

[Draegod]

Not much more i can add, other than brilliant thread! Covering his speed/reaction feats were well needed and depicted perfectly! Also, i really like the "monkey see, monkey do" ideology. It really explains how he was able to react and counteract Zetsu's feats in the last chapter instantly. Quite similar to Kakashi who depends on the sharingan to accomplish this.

Preciate bruh! And yea I believe Kishi will shed light on his future abilities and what not pertaining to this theory of mine. I believe Oru and Saru will be the ones to defeat the Buhda together. Im hoping to see Hydra mode one last time!

I still don't understand how his last feats shown in the recent chapter means he can beat Tsunade. We know he can use the different elements now as assumed before. It's the least he could have shown to proove the possibility of him being able to know all the common jutsu of the leaf.

If you guys are so convinced he is that strong why are these beliefs being forced to hard?

I've never ever ever once ever thought Tsunade could beat or was better then Saru! Before this chapter I was stating he could beat her every time I got the chance. So unlike the others this new chapter didn't change me or my views, I've always knew this and felt this way. New chapter just gave me new elements to play with.

 

[Prince Charles]

tobirama>hiruzen
hashirama>hiruzen
minato>hiruzen

only person he can probably beat is tsunade

 

[Draegod]

tobirama>hiruzen
hashirama>hiruzen
minato>hiruzen

only person he can probably beat is tsunade

Tobirama isn't beating Hiruzen. Minato has his number for the moment.

 

[Prince Charles]

Tobirama isn't beating Hiruzen. Minato has his number for the moment.

naw hiruzen aint ready for that ftg.

 

[omarsen]

naw hiruzen aint ready for that ftg.

Manga fact > Your opinion

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[salamander uchiha]

:yeah:

Hes fodder. King of Fodders.

2nd only to foderuto.