(Theory) Prime Hiruzen can possibly be Planet level

[Sir Blades]

I don't know how you can't understand the simplest of words. Earth's escape velocity is the speed needed to break loose from the gravitational attraction of the planet. In even SIMPLER WORDS, the rocks cannot reach space because they would be too slow. When they are too slow, the Earth's gravitational attraction will refrain them from entering space unless they reach certain speeds. That right there is a simple given. Why do you think rocketships need to propel themselves at such speeds to escape earth? If the gravitational pull of CT is not fast enough, then the gravity from earth would refrain the rocks from entering space. Given that there is a moon in the manga means that Hagoromo successfully did it. Vague? Skepticism? Ok let's run down. Escape velocity is a given, the success in creating the moon is a given, the mass of the moon is a given. That's all there is needed to perfectly calculate this. There is no vague or skepticism about this, it's all given.

How far from the earths surface would Hagoromo have to throw the CT orb?
You must have forgotten that the moon is larger than the earths surface to atmosphere distance, there would be a need for the rocks to travel insane speeds, the moon would propel out of the earths range just like a satellite . And there are two forces acting upon the rocks, both the gravity of the naruto earth and the CT, there fore the earth escape velocity is unnecessary if the ct has that great of a pull, which it does considering the potency to create the moon.

 

[roncato]

I don't know how you can't understand the simplest of words. Earth's escape velocity is the speed needed to break loose from the gravitational attraction of the planet. In even SIMPLER WORDS, the rocks cannot reach space because they would be too slow. When they are too slow, the Earth's gravitational attraction will refrain them from entering space unless they reach certain speeds. That right there is a simple given. Why do you think rocketships need to propel themselves at such speeds to escape earth? If the gravitational pull of CT is not fast enough, then the gravity from earth would refrain the rocks from entering space. Given that there is a moon in the manga means that Hagoromo successfully did it. Vague? Skepticism? Ok let's run down. Escape velocity is a given, the success in creating the moon is a given, the mass of the moon is a given. That's all I used and those 3 are simple givens. There is no vague or skepticism about this, it's all given.

You sure can write a lot of shit, man. Your fav. character sadly lost to Orochimaru. There are a lot of stronger charrs than this old geezer.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

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[Sir Blades]

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Wikipedia, such a reliable source. And bro you are wrong, but if there is one thing we agree in is Hiruzen's godliness.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Wikipedia, such a reliable source. And bro you are wrong, but if there is one thing we agree in is Hiruzen's godliness.

You gave me way too many valid factual evidence that I was wrong.

You sure can write a lot of shit, man. Your fav. character sadly lost to Orochimaru. There are a lot of stronger charrs than this old geezer.

Are you kidding me? Hiruzen > Mihawk.

 

[Sir Blades]

You gave me way too many valid factual evidence that I was wrong.



Are you kidding me? Hiruzen > Mihawk.

And you gave so much real world physics applications in a fictional world, how ironic and evident, same shit you did, just incase you didn't get the message.

 

[Iruka]

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That is the argument against you, from all sources. This can't be solved as a ballistic trajectory. The nature of a ballistic problem is a launched projectile which travels without propulsion. If CT was present, it would count as a kind of propulsion since it serves to influence the mass.

Rockets launched toward the moon often don't reach escape velocity because they are influenced by the moon's gravitational force. Likewise if there was a source (CT) attracting the mass, then escape velocity wouldn't need to be achieved.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

And you gave so much real world physics applications in a fictional world, how ironic and evident, same shit you did, just incase you didn't get the message.

No, the problem with you is that you think just because a world is fictional means that real world sciences can't be applied to it when you pretty much gave no proof of so. Gravity is in every god damn story, are you going to say that every author has different surface gravity? lol

Throwing a shuriken projectile is physics. Can you disprove that?

That's kinda what I'm asking. If CT has an always present gravitational force then escape velocity shouldn't apply. Escape velocity isn't the speed required for something to leave our orbit, it's the speed required if nothing but a single initial force acts on the object. Unless the Sage picked up and threw the mass with nothing else propelling it (so no gravitational force from CT) then it wouldn't need to be at escape velocity. So long as CT had a force stronger (even slightly) than Earth's gravitational force, the mass would slowly accelerate and wouldn't need to travel that fast. Though we are on a manga forum, talking about magic which somehow picks up rocks yet somehow avoids everything important.

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Tobi says that Hagoromo blasted the CT (moon) into the sky.

What that would mean is:
1. He created the mass of the moon inside earth's surface.
2. If he shot the mass up himself, then it would at least need 11 km/s to escape.
3. This 1.09 Zettaton is only sending the moon up, it does not have the yield for attracting all that mass. So the total result for CT yield is likely even higher.
Bonus: There are hints in the manga that suggests the Naruto planet is even bigger than our own. Which would mean faster escape velocity, which would also mean that this is only a low end result of what Hiruzen can actually do.

 

[Iruka]

Tobi says that Hagoromo blasted the CT (moon) into the sky.

What that would mean is:
1. He created the mass of the moon inside earth's surface.
2. If he shot the mass up himself, then it would at least need 11 km/s to escape.
3. This 1.09 Zettaton is only sending the moon up, it does not have the yield for attracting all that mass. So the total result for CT yield is likely even higher.

That right there is what I was looking for. I'd agree with you if it was the case where he assembled it on Earth then launched it in a single shot into orbit.

I personally interpreted it as him using CT as the core of the moon, already in orbit, and assumed you did too because of the wording of this.

In order for Rikudou to raise the chunks of the earth to the moons height...

This made more sense to me seeing as that was the method Deva path used to trap Naruto.

Then again who's to say he didn't do something totally different, you know, magical jutsu and all.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

That right there is what I was looking for. I agree with you if it was the case where he assembled it on Earth then launched it in a single shot into orbit. I personally interpreted it as him using CT as the core of the moon, already in orbit. Then again who's to say he didn't do something totally different, you know, magical jutsu and all.

What Tobi said was written on the Stone Tablet, which was written by Hagoromo himself. Hagoromo would only do something different if he was lying.

 

[Netferarri]

Lmao!! My son Fizz going ham right here, bow down!

 

[Xāvî1]

people just can't accept manga facts!

 

[KCMNaruto]

SOSP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prime Hiruzen.

Prime Hiruzen is at his best #10th place in top 10 list

SOSP is #1th place in top 10 list... SOSP is the strongest ever and comparing him to Hiruzen is like Kage with weak Chounin lol

 

[Imperius]

You're doing something that Kishimoto himself does not even consider to do because he cares less about such things.
Nice try though, but it's going to happen.

 

[lordryoko]

yeah uhm we have people who run on water, walk upside on trees and makes leaps from tree to tree when they are travelling through any forest... yeah the gravity thing doesn't seem to be the same there as here....

 

[Huzaifa]

This thread is full of bs final word.