(Theory) Prime Hiruzen can possibly be Planet level

[omarsen]

Yep these kind of great thread that proves Prime Hiruzen > Narutoverse

 

[omarsen]

Its disgusting when people apply physics to fiction, you cannot compare our physical world to a manga. You cannot expect you use formulas to justify something like this, on top of that the variant of Hagoromo is completely made up, so that entire calculation is beyond wrong, its distasteful. Wrong application of physics, wrong calculations, wasted thread, But Hiruzen is legit.

There i corrected it for you thank me later

 

[Iruka]

I realise this isn't a serious thread and is just for laughs, but why was escape velocity used?

 

[ReverseZero12]

Even the greatest mathematicians can't calculate prime hiruzen's strength.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

I realise this isn't a serious thread and is just for laughs, but why was escape velocity used?

1. I am 100% serious.
2. If the rocks gathered by the gravitational orb of CT don't travel at fast enough speeds, it would not be able to escape the earth's surface.

 

[Sir Blades]

Nigga please, how do the shinobi stay on the ground? Gravity.

That right there is real world physics inside a fictional universe.

What you dont take in to consideration is that CT at its core is an entity of anti gravity, and in physics such thing does not exist, the output and the earth escape velocity does not apply in that sense Hago is not pulling the rocks its the work of the core of CT. And you do realize you basically just gave a made up scaling for the Kinetic output of CT. I just debunked your "hard worked" thread. But as i said before Hiruzen is LEGIT.

 

[Iruka]

1. I am 100% serious.
2. If the rocks gathered by the gravitational orb of CT don't travel at fast enough speeds, it would not be able to escape the earth's surface.

I know, but escape velocity is the initial speed required should there be no other influence or propulsion. Like firing a bullet straight up, after the initial launch nothing propels it. If the objects are being drawn to a point due to a gravitational force then is escape velocity really useful?

 

[Xlad]

Its disgusting when people apply physics to fiction, you cannot compare our physical world to a manga. You cannot expect you use formulas to justify something like this, on top of that the variant of Hagoromo is completely made up, so that entire calculation is beyond wrong, its distasteful. Wrong application of physics, wrong calculations, wasted thread, But Hiruzen is legit.

The last part was all that is needed.

 

[Sir Blades]

I know, but escape velocity is the initial speed required should there be no other influence or propulsion. Like firing a bullet straight up, after the initial launch nothing propels it. If the objects are being drawn to a point due to a gravitational force then is escape velocity really useful?

RB is also forgetting CREATION OF ALL THINGS, that by itself is not measurable or understood by physics. He's just being a show off with miscalculations.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

What you dont take in to consideration is that CT at its core is an entity of anti gravity, and in physics such thing does not exist, the output and the earth escape velocity does not apply in that sense Hago is not pulling the rocks its the work of the core of CT. And you do realize you basically just gave a made up scaling for the Kinetic output of CT. I just debunked your "hard worked" thread. But as i said before Hiruzen is LEGIT.

Anti-gravity does not exist? lol

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I could actually use Anti-gravity to calc this feat, but that would require more time and more explanation to the kids on here.

Hagoromo is the jutsu user. Jutsu requires chakra. Chakra requires energy. It's simple energy output bro. Come on.

And no I didn't make up the result. Mass of the moon is a given, and the earth's escape velocity is a given. Those rocks cannot enter space without minimal escape velocity. Keyword minimal would mean that this result is a LOW-END result.

RB is also forgetting CREATION OF ALL THINGS, that by itself is not measurable or understood by physics. He's just being a show off with miscalculations.

COAT is considered reality warping. RS didn't use COAT to create the moon, so that is completely irrelevant.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

I know, but escape velocity is the initial speed required should there be no other influence or propulsion. Like firing a bullet straight up, after the initial launch nothing propels it. If the objects are being drawn to a point due to a gravitational force then is escape velocity really useful?

The gravitational force of Hagoromo's CT has to be strong enough to pull in the rocks into space. If the rocks do not reach minimal escape velocity, than the gravitational force would not be strong enough to pull it into space. We do know that the moon was successfully created, so yeah.

 

[Sir Blades]

Anti-gravity does not exist? lol

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I could actually use Anti-gravity to calc this feat, but that would require more time and more explanation to the kids on here.

Hagoromo is the jutsu user. Jutsu requires chakra. Chakra requires energy. It's simple energy output bro. Come on.

And no I didn't make up the result. Mass of the moon is a given, and the earth's escape velocity is a given. Those rocks cannot enter space without minimal escape velocity. Keyword minimal would mean that this result is a LOW-END result.



COAT is considered reality warping. RS didn't use COAT to create the moon, so that is completely irrelevant.

What is the gravitational pull of CT then?
Two entities of gravitation in close proximity create the propulsion, we obviously know earths, but we dont know CT's output. And you can't calculate it cause you are making assumptions and using physics to "prove" your point. What's to say that the gravitational pull of CT is enough to propel the mass of an object the size of the moon to space without that insane amount of speed required to do that? You can't make calculations based on information that is not given, vague, open to skepticism and in basis of our physical world? No matter how hard you try to argue your calculations are wrong and based on guessed information.

 

[Rike Senju]

You fail. Prime Hiruzen's strenght can't be calculated, it is infinite U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

What is the gravitational pull of CT then?
Two entities of gravitation in close proximity create the propulsion, we obviously know earths, but we dont know CT's output. And you can't calculate it cause you are making assumptions and using physics to "prove" your point. What's to say that the gravitational pull of CT is enough to propel the mass of an object the size of the moon to space without that insane amount of speed required to do that? You can't make calculations based on information that is not given, vague, open to skepticism and in basis of our physical world? No matter how hard you try to argue your calculations are wrong and based on guessed information.

At the end of the day,

-Kishi is not a physicist,
-Nobody gives a shit about real world calculations in a fictional manga,
-Hiruzen is as retconned as he's ever been,
-Rainbow Dash is a troll and,
-This thread is terrible.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

But wouldn't he violate the Law of the Conservation of Energy if that was the case?

 

[Sir Blades]

But wouldn't he violate the Law of the Conservation of Energy if that was the case?

Please do elaborate how the manga is no basis to apply physics in to. PLEASE.

 

[roncato]

What manga facts? There are a lot of manga facts that there are stronger characters than him. If Sage created the moon near his death, then Hiruzen should be strong at his old age too. Though, he lost to Orochimaru. Btw, he crushed by Juubito too.
/thread

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Old Hiruzen-Loses to Edo Kages that were 25/100 power and Orochimaru
Old Sage-Makes moon and separates 10 tails

Yeah don't compare them.Prime Hiruzen had no feats so you can't say that.Every Hokage besides Tsunade has proven themselves to be top 10 characters,Hiruzen is not even top 15 to be honest.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

What is the gravitational pull of CT then?
Two entities of gravitation in close proximity create the propulsion, we obviously know earths, but we dont know CT's output. And you can't calculate it cause you are making assumptions and using physics to "prove" your point. What's to say that the gravitational pull of CT is enough to propel the mass of an object the size of the moon to space without that insane amount of speed required to do that? You can't make calculations based on information that is not given, vague, open to skepticism and in basis of our physical world? No matter how hard you try to argue your calculations are wrong and based on guessed information.

I don't know how you can't understand the simplest of words. Earth's escape velocity is the speed needed to break loose from the gravitational attraction of the planet. In even SIMPLER WORDS, the rocks cannot reach space because they would be too slow. When they are too slow, the Earth's gravitational attraction will refrain them from entering space unless they reach certain speeds. That right there is a simple given. Why do you think rocketships need to propel themselves at such speeds to escape earth? If the gravitational pull of CT is not fast enough, then the gravity from earth would refrain the rocks from entering space. Given that there is a moon in the manga means that Hagoromo successfully did it. Vague? Skepticism? Ok let's run down. Escape velocity is a given, the success in creating the moon is a given, the mass of the moon is a given. That's all I used and those 3 are simple givens. There is no vague or skepticism about this, it's all given.

 

[Iruka]

The gravitational force of Hagoromo's CT has to be strong enough to pull in the rocks into space. If the rocks do not reach minimal escape velocity, than the gravitational force would not be strong enough to pull it into space. We do know that the moon was successfully created, so yeah.

That's kinda what I'm asking. If CT has an always present gravitational force then escape velocity shouldn't apply. Escape velocity isn't the speed required for something to leave our orbit, it's the speed required if nothing but a single initial force acts on the object. Unless the Sage picked up and threw the mass with nothing else propelling it (so no gravitational force from CT) then it wouldn't need to be at escape velocity. So long as CT had a force stronger (even slightly) than Earth's gravitational force, the mass would slowly accelerate and wouldn't need to travel that fast. Though we are on a manga forum, talking about magic which somehow picks up rocks yet somehow avoids everything important.