Hiruzen knows (Or can learn) any KKG thats strictly chakra nature mixing

[Mellanoma]

since Hiruzen is able to use S rank ninjutsu of all elemental types.

Nothing is actually stopping him from learning any KKG/KKT that is strictly chakra element manipulation.


Examples:

Haku Ice style (Water and Wind)

Darui's Gale style (Water and Lightning)

Scorch Release (Fire and Earth)

Lava (Fire and Earth)

Onoki's Jinton (Fire, Earth,Wind)

Examples of KKG he can't learn:

Kimmimaro's Bone KKG (Genetic Heritage)

Suigetsu's Hydration Technique (Genetic Heritage)


The reason why I believe this to be true is cause of Muu and Onoki.. They both were taught Jinton meaning it is possible to learn a KKT. Since Hiruzen mastered all 5 elements it is safe to say he truly knows all KKG of Konoha that's strictly chakra manipulation.


Thoughts?

 

[Xēnovia.]

I love the fact you places Ice Release first for that I had to thank this thread. =D​

 

[Oblivionx]

no because he has never shown that he can combine 2 or more elements...!

 

[Mellanoma]

no because he has never shown that he can combine 2 or more elements...!

manga and databook states he can... Feats show he can use ALL Natures

 

[Oblivionx]

manga and databook states he can... Feats show he can use ALL Natures

i never said he can't use all natures....! but never two together i.e mixed like ice release etc...! n i don't remember manga ever saying hurizen can use KKG....!

 

[Exaar]

Hiruzen can learn KKT but not KKG's.

Some mixing of the elements require certain blood requirements, Such as haku for example but Muu/Onoki's Jinton requires no such blood requirements.

So yes hiruzen can learn jinton in theory with the right training but i doubt Onoki's village would let the secret to learning jinton out of his village.

 

[Darth Vader]

Pretty interesting theory. All I know is that anyone who thinks he can use Susano'o, or any Sharingan tech is a jack ass.

 

[Creedo]

So you say that Kakashi can use KKG too?

We saw him using many elemental jutsus too.

Your view is wrong and it was explained when Naruto learned RS, when we saw Yamato using Suiton, Doton and then mix it thanks to his KKG.

You go other way around.
Using KKG allows you to use elements that are a combination of this KKG.
But that doesnt mean that using elements that are a supposed combination of KKG allows you to use a KKG.

It has always been restricted to blood.

 

[Bronze]

No he cant.

 

[KCMNaruto]

since Hiruzen is able to use S rank ninjutsu of all elemental types.

Nothing is actually stopping him from learning any KKG/KKT that is strictly chakra element manipulation.


Examples:

Haku Ice style (Water and Wind)

Darui's Gale style (Water and Lightning)

Scorch Release (Fire and Earth)

Lava (Fire and Earth)

Onoki's Jinton (Fire, Earth,Wind)

Examples of KKG he can't learn:

Kimmimaro's Bone KKG (Genetic Heritage)

Suigetsu's Hydration Technique (Genetic Heritage)


The reason why I believe this to be true is cause of Muu and Onoki.. They both were taught Jinton meaning it is possible to learn a KKT. Since Hiruzen mastered all 5 elements it is safe to say he truly knows all KKG of Konoha that's strictly chakra manipulation.


Thoughts?

Well this is good question and even although it sounds unlikely I believe it seems to be possible as far as the manga doesn't deny that possibility.

However as KKG name suggests you need special genetic trait to be able to use certain KKG..., so I disagree.

Hiruzen CAN do ALL every techniques in Konoha which don't need KKG, KKT, SPECIAL SUMMONS, Sage mode

Also Rasengan and chidori are out of quesiton as Hiruzen was past his prime age when they were created.

FTG is questionable.

Conclusion: I have to disagree U_U

 

[Frikid]

It is impossible for someone to mix two natures or more.
a KG/KT is something you are born with,it is strictly genetic.

Just because Hiruzen can use 5 chakra natures does NOT mean he can combine them.
Onoki and muu were born with the KT,they were just taught how to use that power.

Nagato can also use all 5 chakra nature and that too just at the age of 10, it does NOT mean he could use all those KGs or learn them.
KGs can't be learnt, it is something you are born with.

Even an average jounin can use 2 chakra natures but it does not mean they can combine them otherwise every second ninja we see would be using a KG .Kakashi can also use 3 chakra natures it does not mean he can use mokuton [earth+water] .

KG is something extremely rare.2KG or KT is even more rare.

 

[dvmaz]

Until he actually does it. The fact remains that he can't.

 

[Mellanoma]

So you say that Kakashi can use KKG too?

We saw him using many elemental jutsus too.

Your view is wrong and it was explained when Naruto learned RS, when we saw Yamato using Suiton, Doton and then mix it thanks to his KKG.

You go other way around.
Using KKG allows you to use elements that are a combination of this KKG.
But that doesnt mean that using elements that are a supposed combination of KKG allows you to use a KKG.

It has always been restricted to blood.

use your brain... He is the copy ninja and he copied with the Sharingan... Hiruzen learned all natures

Well this is good question and even although it sounds unlikely I believe it seems to be possible as far as the manga doesn't deny that possibility.

However as KKG name suggests you need special genetic trait to be able to use certain KKG..., so I disagree.

Hiruzen CAN do ALL every techniques in Konoha which don't need KKG, KKT, SPECIAL SUMMONS, Sage mode

Also Rasengan and chidori are out of quesiton as Hiruzen was past his prime age when they were created.

FTG is questionable.

Conclusion: I have to disagree U_U

It is impossible for someone to mix two natures or more.
a KG/KT is something you are born with,it is strictly genetic.

Just because Hiruzen can use 5 chakra natures does NOT mean he can combine them.
Onoki and muu were born with the KT,they were just taught how to use that power.

Nagato can also use all 5 chakra nature and that too just at the age of 10, it does NOT mean he could use all those KGs or learn them.
KGs can't be learnt, it is something you are born with.

Even an average jounin can use 2 chakra natures but it does not mean they can combine them otherwise every second ninja we see would be using a KG .Kakashi can also use 3 chakra natures it does not mean he can use mokuton [earth+water] .

KG is something extremely rare.2KG or KT is even more rare.

Onoki learned Jinton though.. explain that?

 

[AGoodBoy]

thoughts?

My thought is that next chapter hiruzen's gonna be using Juubito's 4 natured omnyoudon.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Hiruzen can learn KKT but not KKG's.

Some mixing of the elements require certain blood requirements, Such as haku for example but Muu/Onoki's Jinton requires no such blood requirements.

So yes hiruzen can learn jinton in theory with the right training but i doubt Onoki's village would let the secret to learning jinton out of his village.

this^. jinton seems to be a hidden technique rather a bloodline one.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Scorch Release is actually Wind Release + Blaze Release.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Scorch Release is actually Wind Release + Blaze Release.

not too sure blaze release is the actually requirement due to it being unique to uchihas only. so i think scorch release is wind + fire because pakura isnt from the uchiha clan.

 

[Retsu]

Not true, kkg are specifically said to be genetic, singular elements can be learned by anyone, demonstrated when everyone in the alliance made those earth walls.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

not too sure blaze release is the actually requirement due to it being unique to uchihas only. so i think scorch release is wind + fire because pakura isnt from the uchiha clan.

That's actually probably right. I always get her mixed up with the Blast Release guy.

 

[Dantee]

I disagree. These techniques aren't simply chakra mixing, they involve genetics and inheritance. An example of mixing elements would be Kakuzus techniques. Using wind+fire to make it stronger,Water+lightning etc.