Hiruzen and Itachi vs DSM Kabuto

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100 feet
no restrictions (besides ET)
as title suggests Kabuto starts in DSM
open field
full knowledge
 
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Itachi's Enough.

Kabuto has no way of Killing an itachi with intent to kill while itachi has ways of putting him down. Uchiha bros Vs kabuto confirms this considering kabuto actively tried to kill itachi the entire time.
 

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Itachi's Enough.

Kabuto has no way of Killing an itachi with intent to kill while itachi has ways of putting him down. Uchiha bros Vs kabuto confirms this considering kabuto actively tried to kill itachi the entire time.

Do you need to look stupid again?

At the end of the day, you just won't get it.
 

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Eh, with no restrictions? Kabuto...obviously. He won't even be in range with the likes of Deidara's Flight, Zabuza's Mist, Hanzo's Poison, Shinra Tensei, Giant summons.

Restrict ET and maybe we have a fight because of it being an open field.

Oh wait, Manda II.

Stop including Kabuto in VS threads please.
 

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Do you need to look stupid again?

At the end of the day, you just won't get it.

again? Maybe you responded to that one thread that one time, but I haven't checked it. I don't even remember the name of the thread. Either way, manga's already countered Kabuto's arsenal so I don't need to Zzz
 

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again? Maybe you responded to that one thread that one time, but I haven't checked it. I don't even remember the name of the thread. Either way, manga's already countered Kabuto's arsenal so I don't need to Zzz

Ill just post it again, and remove the insults, in spoiler:

Do you understand how manga scans work? Good. Use them to prove your opinion.

:leaf: @ being an opinion that Senjutsu boost all the users attacks?

Let me break down how to read, once again. To start things off you will have understand how Attack of Twin works:

This KKG gives them the unique ability to break their bodies down to a molecular level. The two brothers usually use this ability to share the same body but can also use it to merge with the bodies of others and destroy the host's cells from the inside[ ]

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@Bold is the most important part on that quote. Sakon KKG=Share body. Meaning any chakra signal coming through Kabuto's body, can also mold chakra through Sakon's body. Thats it. Maybe I still need to break this down any further?

Try reading how Senjutsu works[ ][ ]

Because Manga implies it did jack shit to improve the power of their techs.
Clearly your not reading.
1. Web= Needed the highest degree of Fire Release (Enton) to destroy it, when Itachi and Sasuke had other "choices" to make.

2. Genjutsu= Partnership, can't do alone.

3. Jirobo's earth= You can't tell through earth release, but manga already implied its boost in strength.

4. Sakon KKG= Had the ability to take another DNA, manipulate it cells, converts and copy's the DNA completely even if the user is KKG user.(This is something Sakon couldn't do with a lesser feat of Senjutsu. The best he can produce with his KKG rely on Curse Mode Boost, and yet couldn't do what I just explained.)

5. Kimimaro= Same Speed Fern (You brought this argument up long time ago that Kabuto's Bones were inferior to the original). Kabuto didn't even go full version with this technique for a reason, to not hurt Sasuke[ ]. But the scans are enough to show that it can produce the same length.

First thing first is to look at how Kimimaro starts off Seed fern compare to Kabuto's:

-Kimi starter [ ]
-Kabuto starter [ ]

If you notice:
-The scale of Kimi's starter is the same length as Rock Lee and Gaara's height.
-The scale of Kabuto's starter is the same length as Itachi and Sasuke's height.

Eventually, the bones height starts getting bigger, that needed Gaara to fly out of range. So can Kabuto's do the same? Yes[ ], as it was eventually reaching Sussanoo height[ ] :



5a. Reasons Harder then Kimmiro's bones: The closet evidence of its durability boost, is that Itachi had to rely on the priorities of Totsuka Blade to slice through. The angle of this slash[ ], determine either he use his default Sussanoo weapon[ ], or Totsuka Blade to reach all the bones[ ]


Lol too bad that's the truth. Only an itachi hater interprets it the other way around.

Itachi says "Sasuke look into my eyes"
Sasuke says "Of course! that's it!" and uses genjutsu back

Oh, Itachi must need help to break the genjutsu!
sit down clown.

Itachi says= Itachi needs
Sasuke says = Gets its, and contributes
 

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Ill just post it again, and remove the insults, in spoiler:

:leaf: @ being an opinion that Senjutsu boost all the users attacks?

Let me break down how to read, once again. To start things off you will have understand how Attack of Twin works:



You must be registered for see images

@Bold is the most important part on that quote. Sakon KKG=Share body. Meaning any chakra signal coming through Kabuto's body, can also mold chakra through Sakon's body. Thats it. Maybe I still need to break this down any further?

Try reading how Senjutsu works[ ][ ]


Clearly your not reading.
1. Web= Needed the highest degree of Fire Release (Enton) to destroy it, when Itachi and Sasuke had other "choices" to make.

2. Genjutsu= Partnership, can't do alone.

3. Jirobo's earth= You can't tell through earth release, but manga already implied its boost in strength.

4. Sakon KKG= Had the ability to take another DNA, manipulate it cells, converts and copy's the DNA completely even if the user is KKG user.(This is something Sakon couldn't do with a lesser feat of Senjutsu. The best he can produce with his KKG rely on Curse Mode Boost, and yet couldn't do what I just explained.)

5. Kimimaro= Same Speed Fern (You brought this argument up long time ago that Kabuto's Bones were inferior to the original). Kabuto didn't even go full version with this technique for a reason, to not hurt Sasuke[ ]. But the scans are enough to show that it can produce the same length.

First thing first is to look at how Kimimaro starts off Seed fern compare to Kabuto's:

-Kimi starter [ ]
-Kabuto starter [ ]

If you notice:
-The scale of Kimi's starter is the same length as Rock Lee and Gaara's height.
-The scale of Kabuto's starter is the same length as Itachi and Sasuke's height.

Eventually, the bones height starts getting bigger, that needed Gaara to fly out of range. So can Kabuto's do the same? Yes[ ], as it was eventually reaching Sussanoo height[ ] :



5a. Reasons Harder then Kimmiro's bones: The closet evidence of its durability boost, is that Itachi had to rely on the priorities of Totsuka Blade to slice through. The angle of this slash[ ], determine either he use his default Sussanoo weapon[ ], or Totsuka Blade to reach all the bones[ ]




Itachi says= Itachi needs
Sasuke says = Gets its, and contributes

Good counter. The kimi bone part I didn't notice the height it grew to in one of those panels when I did research on this a while back. You really did make some good point with the Senjutsu thing. I've checked it several times before, but somehow I missed that kimi panel every time.

Anyway, I'll just leave here. Itachi never asked for help, nor did he imply he needed it. Nor did he imply sasuke even needed it to break out.

-Kabuto , itachi .

- Kabuto . Itachi has not a single clue what that jutsu does but he already launches himself at sasuke even though .

- Itachi's deaf, blind and in pain but still uses his jutsu to . Even if he said it was a hunch, it still adds to my overall point.

- Kabuto , Itachi to intercept in the middle before he gets near anywhere sasuke.

- Kabuto does . Even though kabuto's already told itachi, from the start, that he wants sasuke alive, itachi still says f**k it and uses while he takes fatal damage.

After this we reach the genjutsu point. All of this leaves us with the resonating fact that itachi gave less than 2 shits about what sasuke could or couldn't do, or even about his own well being. The guy literally used, at times, jutsu on sasuke that sasuke could use on himself just to make sure sasuke would survive, even if it meant he'd go KIA. Simple pain is all it took shikamaru to break tayuya's genjutsu. Even with senjutsu chakra, it's not that much stronger seeing as it was broken with genjutsu. In fact, we can go a step further. To ensure sasuke got out, itachi didn't even use basic genjutsu, he used his most powerful genjutsu which causes the most strain just to ensure he broke sasuke out of something that could be beaten by basic sharingan genjutsu( see: sasuke ).

tl;dr; Itachi's canonically countered everything DSM kabuto through at him. With edo's restricted, Kabuto's only chance of beating itachi is if itachi's stamina dries out.
 

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Anyway, I'll just leave here. Itachi never asked for help, nor did he imply he needed it. Nor did he imply sasuke even needed it to break out.

You are not making sense and making contradictions with Itachi's statement. You said he NEVER ask for help nor IMPLIED needed it.

You also ignored the beginning of the fight[ ][ ][ ]. Kabuto understood they are working together[ ]. Once again implied they need to work together[ ].

Now once again back the statement your making, under Kabuto's genjutsu. Your statement still is a contractions Sasuke's and Itachi's words.


-Kabuto , itachi .

Thats true. Since he alive, the starts out really early.

- Kabuto . Itachi has not a single clue what that jutsu does but he already launches himself at sasuke even though .

Anyone can react to this jutsu, it was a matter of being unpredictable that made it dangerous.

Itachi doesn't have an Edo Tensei body, he still cannot counter light and sound. But the effects aren't as strong an open field.

In the end, he still can't see Kabuto next attack when White Rage is activated. Itachi's senses will be block through the light and sound it produces.

- Itachi's deaf, blind and in pain but still uses his jutsu to . Even if he said it was a hunch, it still adds to my overall point.

Itachi was not in pain as much as Sasuke, who was in a fleshly body. Point moot.

Its outside field anyway, so the full effect of White Rage is not happening, otherwise the match is over.

Same reply as above.

- Kabuto , Itachi to intercept in the middle before he gets near anywhere sasuke.

Thats true. Kabuto didn't even bother using his snake navel either, so Itachi interpreting his engaging, will not be as effective here.

- Kabuto does . Even though kabuto's already told itachi, from the start, that he wants sasuke alive, itachi still says f**k it and uses while he takes fatal damage.

Ok, Sussano protect himself from Muki Tensei, while Itachi dies from using MS too much.

After this we reach the genjutsu point. All of this leaves us with the resonating fact that itachi gave less than 2 shits about what sasuke could or couldn't do, or even about his own well being. The guy literally used, at times, jutsu on sasuke that sasuke could use on himself just to make sure sasuke would survive, even if it meant he'd go KIA. Simple pain is all it took shikamaru to break tayuya's genjutsu. Even with senjutsu chakra, it's not that much stronger seeing as it was broken with genjutsu. In fact, we can go a step further. To ensure sasuke got out, itachi didn't even use basic genjutsu, he used his most powerful genjutsu which causes the most strain just to ensure he broke sasuke out of something that could be beaten by basic sharingan genjutsu( see: sasuke ).

1.Contradicting yourself once again.
"Itachi doesn't give a shit"
"Itachi gives a shit"

2. Itachi cannot do it alone, period. You have no evidence on how Itachi can break out himself.

3. It took a support of 2 people for them to break out.

4. It doesn't what Genjutsu they use, they needed to hack into each other brain to personally cancel the effect of Kabuto's genjutsu binding. It was a mental battle they had to face, and both of them needed their Genjutsu to work.


tl;dr; Itachi's canonically countered everything DSM kabuto through at him. With edo's restricted, Kabuto's only chance of beating itachi is if itachi's stamina dries out.

-You forgot full throttle Speed Fern, which is perfect to attack Itachi's Sussanoo underneath
- Ethereal Sprirts that can travel, underneath too, bypassing Sussanoo and eating Itachi's Physical energy.
-Manda II
- Senjutsu: Dorō Dōmu, making Sussanoo, forming useless. (Due to chakra absorption)

Every other jutsu Kabuto can use, that Itachi canonically counter= the MS strain that alive Itachi can't handle in the first place.

Kabuto wins against Alive Itachi with ease.
 
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DSM Kabuto with Edos can honestly be defeated by Juubito alone. No one else ._.
 

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um kabuto summons eT army and rapes.


Re: Hiruzen and Itachi vs DSM Kabuto

Itachi's Enough.
Kabuto has no way of Killing an itachi with intent to kill while itachi has ways of putting him down. Uchiha bros Vs kabuto confirms this considering kabuto actively tried to kill itachi the entire time.
but how can itachi hurt him outside of izanami, which is negated by edo tensei army. madara stomps itachi.
 

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restrict edo

with full knowledge, they wont let kabuto use any of his time taking jutsus

white rage is countered by destroying the black orb or the liquid dragon that coils around it
muki tensei countered by susanoo + enma cage
sound genjutsu countered by hiruzen's large scale fuuton used by five clones

and so on

kabuto himself can be cornered by wide spread attacks and then hit with totsuka




hiruzen can use his clones to launch simultaneous attacks like (bolts of lightning from four directions to corner kabuto and itachi finishes him by stabbing him with totsuka
 

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Team 1 wins cuz of the hype and cuz hype is NR1 counter on NB
 

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Kabuto would win if it's old Hiruzen. Prime Hiruzen may solo though
 
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