[Discussion] Is luffy admiral level now?

[Jiraiya Namikaze]

I don't think we know Luffy's true post time-skip strength yet. In all his major fights so far there has been some factor that has added ambiguity to his strength. Arlong kept eating those power pills whenever he was struggling against Luffy, Luffy struggled *a bit* against Caesar because he could remove all the oxygen from an area, etc. Whenever Luffy has fought someone (since the time skip) without some incredibly unfair advantage, he completely dominated them in every conceivable way. In one case with his hands literally tied behind his back. Personally, I'm not convinced Luffy wouldn't be able to defeat an admiral. In the past all the Admirals have seemed insurmountably stronger than Luffy because he didn't have Haki yet... obviously that's changed.

Yes, but we have seen people with haki that have been beaten really easily by an admiral like jimbei and ace. and I don't think anyone can say that luffy is far superior to ace or jimbei right now, maybe stronger by abit.

 

[Jiraiya Namikaze]

The opening isn't even remotely canon, currently, Doflamingo can actually put luffy down, and even he isn't admiral level yet. If the crew were to fight the admirals seriously they'd be screwed. Even one of the admirals engaging in combat with the SH would give them a really rough time IMO.

Do you think that the whole crew vs one admiral can win?

 

[Olorin]

Do you think that the whole crew vs one admiral can win?

Luffy and Zoro alone should have a fair chance, Luffy, Zoro and Sanji together should be able to do it, as I said earlier, if they are too weak to take on an admiral as a group of 3 we might have a problem

 

[Jiraiya Namikaze]

Luffy and Zoro alone should have a fair chance, Luffy, Zoro and Sanji together should be able to do it, as I said earlier, if they are too weak to take on an admiral as a group of 3 we might have a problem

But akainu was able to beat ace, jimbei and luffy easily back in the marineford arc so what makes you think zoro, sanji and luffy can beat an admiral.

 

[Aze]

It doesnt matter what level he is at the momment - we can all be sure , that in 5 years or more he will be extremely OP along with Starhats crew

 

[Olorin]

But akainu was able to beat ace, jimbei and luffy easily back in the marineford arc so what makes you think zoro, sanji and luffy can beat an admiral.

well first of all they haven't shown their full power yet, Luffy is imo as powerful as Ace with Zoro not far behind and Sanji a bit behind Zoro. If they as a team of 3 can't beat an Admiral it would be a bit difficult to go through the New World, it will be about as long as the 1st half of Grand Line and we kinda already have enough major antagonists for it to be as long, so if the 3 of them together can't take on an admiral we have a problem because the opponents of NW aren't Enel and Lucci ... it's DD, Kaido, BM, Mihawk, the 7th Sichibukai, the 3 Admirals, the Fleet Admiral, BB, ...

as for Akainu at MF: Luffy was nothing at MF, he could only do what he did because the strongest WB pirates cleared the way for him and protected him, Jinbe was on par with Ace before Ace joined the WB pirates and unlike Ace who is young he is quite old. Ace would progress extremely fast (look at Luffy in those 2 years). It is ofc inarguable that Akainu was stronger than Ace, but there are 2 other reasons that Ace lost so easily: 1. He jumped in fron of Luffy to save his life and 2. He had been incarcerated with seastone for a LONG time in Impel Down (he looked pretty f'd up in there) before he was released and than he was put straight into the biggest f in the world, he wasn't exactly in his best form

 

[Luther]

In my opinion akainu alone can solo luffy whole crew at best half of his crew, the only admiral well ex i see luffy standing against was kuzan and even that meh im not sure, Also i dont think hawk eyes can beat either akainu or kizaru, kuzan would be more in his power level.

 

[Jiraiya Namikaze]

In my opinion akainu alone can solo luffy whole crew at best half of his crew, the only admiral well ex i see luffy standing against was kuzan and even that meh im not sure, Also i dont think hawk eyes can beat either akainu or kizaru, kuzan would be more in his power level.

I think hawk eyes can beat or fight on par with all the admirals since he does have daily duels with shanks and he is known to be the strongest swordsman in the world.

 

[jiraiya lives]

honestly speaking I feel any admiral except fujitora (haven't seen much from him) and the other new admiral (no idea how powerful he is) can solo the entire SH crew...

I just don't see them going from getting solo'ed by kuma to taking on admirals 2 or 3 vs one (luffy and zoro/sanji vs an admiral like people above me has said)..if they are currently this strong to beat admirals 2 vs 1 then it'll kinda make the series a little boring considering we still have like 7 years left of OP and SH crew power ups..IMO Luffy shouldn't be strong enough to even High diff an admiral until the last couple of arcs

I still see Akainu solo'ing the entire crew

Kizaru blitzing and solo'ing the entire crew

Aokiji (not an admiral anymore but fck it) freezing and solo'ing the entire crew

 

[Avinash012]

I still can't see all of m3 together beating an Admiral.

 

[LBeezy]

LOL, are you serious? Luffy is around Doffy's level and thats me being very generous. If he could already beat all the admirals in a 1v1 it would be very boring and the series wouldnt be able to last for another 7-9 years.

The series can continue for a long time either way.. just because I think Luffy can beat an admiral in a 1v1, doesn't mean Oda will have them fight anytime soon.. all I'm saying is that IF Oda made Luffy fight an admiral right now, imo I think Luffy would win..

I don't think we know Luffy's true post time-skip strength yet. In all his major fights so far there has been some factor that has added ambiguity to his strength. Arlong kept eating those power pills whenever he was struggling against Luffy, Luffy struggled *a bit* against Caesar because he could remove all the oxygen from an area, etc. Whenever Luffy has fought someone (since the time skip) without some incredibly unfair advantage, he completely dominated them in every conceivable way. In one case with his hands literally tied behind his back. Personally, I'm not convinced Luffy wouldn't be able to defeat an admiral. In the past all the Admirals have seemed insurmountably stronger than Luffy because he didn't have Haki yet... obviously that's changed.

THIS ↑↑↑ right here is very true.. we haven't seen Luffy in a fight where he had to go all out against his opponent on a level playing field.. he's had too many un-fair handicaps so far.. so we haven't really seen what he's fully capable of since the time skip.


I believe that with his haki, atm, and definitely in the future he can defeat an admiral in a 1v1.. not easily of course.. I say by the end of the fight he'll be passing out with a piece of meat in his hand.. XD lol

 

[Olorin]

honestly speaking I feel any admiral except fujitora (haven't seen much from him) and the other new admiral (no idea how powerful he is) can solo the entire SH crew...

I just don't see them going from getting solo'ed by kuma to taking on admirals 2 or 3 vs one (luffy and zoro/sanji vs an admiral like people above me has said)..if they are currently this strong to beat admirals 2 vs 1 then it'll kinda make the series a little boring considering we still have like 7 years left of OP and SH crew power ups..IMO Luffy shouldn't be strong enough to even High diff an admiral until the last couple of arcs

I still see Akainu solo'ing the entire crew

Kizaru blitzing and solo'ing the entire crew

Aokiji (not an admiral anymore but fck it) freezing and solo'ing the entire crew

You forget that the only big power up for Luffy in part one were the gears, the big opponents on p1 up until sabaody werent that far apart in strength, Crocodile was powerful he fodderized Luffy twice, Enel had an extremely OP fruit which Luffy onle beat because he is rubber, Lucci was equal to gears Luffy and Moria was just weird, he was imo the weakest sichibukai

As for part two we already have enough antagonists with the 3 yonko, 3 admirals, some of the remaining sichibukai, the fleet admiral with the wg ... That's plenty for 10 years of OP, so if the 3 of them together can't take on at least the admirals (FA excluded) and have a fairly good chance at winning we may have a a problem

Also in the 2 years they went from the entire crew almost getting annihilated by a pacifista to Luffy 1 shotting a pacifista, neg dif

 

[Fireplay]

Hell to the NO. He can't even handle Dofla.

 

[crono0929]

Hell to the NO. He can't even handle Dofla.

they havent even fought yet....

 

[Fireplay]

they havent even fought yet....

And Luffy can thank Oda for that.

 

[Olorin]

And Luffy can thank Oda for that.

Well judging from the recent chapters that might change soon

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't think we know Luffy's true post time-skip strength yet. In all his major fights so far there has been some factor that has added ambiguity to his strength. Arlong kept eating those power pills whenever he was struggling against Luffy, Luffy struggled *a bit* against Caesar because he could remove all the oxygen from an area, etc. Whenever Luffy has fought someone (since the time skip) without some incredibly unfair advantage, he completely dominated them in every conceivable way. In one case with his hands literally tied behind his back. Personally, I'm not convinced Luffy wouldn't be able to defeat an admiral. In the past all the Admirals have seemed insurmountably stronger than Luffy because he didn't have Haki yet... obviously that's changed.

Wrong

Not yet but will be in one to two arcs I say.

Wrong

He's got about 250 episodes until he reaches Admiral level. Him and Zoro together could be challenge for an Admiral.

Wrong.

He alone is not, he and Zoro together might be, he, Zoro and Sanji together imo should definitely be .... Otherwise we have a big problem

We have a problem

Luffy's strength has been deciphered through the Warlords he has fought.

Seeing how luffy has beaten them so far, he is above Vice Admirals (just like the warlords).

We don't know how the doflamingo business is going to end like...

However besides Hawk eyes, The Admirals we've seen fight would neg diff all the warlords.

Wrong

they havent even fought yet....

Law, Sanji and Smoker say hi

 

[Hijey]

He's probably Pirate King level which is 56 levels above the Admiral level

No, he has a long way to reach Admiral level.