[VS] Kakashi Hatake vs Tobirama Senju

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Look at the size of Mei's jutsu compared to Madara's giant flame destroyer, and then she simultaneously uses water dragon jutsu. When Tobirama pulls off a feat like that then you can call him the best water user. And he can't summon anywhere near as much water as Kisame can.

Mei has 2 kekkeigenkai's, both of which involve water", and Kisame has tailed beast level chakra, of course they can summon more water - but that doesnt mean they are better water users - remember what kakashi said "an expert with a kunai is stronger than a rookie with a shuriken" if you know what I mean - in the beginning of the manga Tobirama was regarded as a water user specialist, its only now that kishi changed everything to BS

I'll say this as simple as I can - the most powerful weapon/tool/tech created of water is that which can break tunnels - thats 1 of tobiramas techs.

 

[BlackFlame44]

That's because you arm cannot physically go beyond that point when you cross it over to the other side, just try it. Unless you are abnormally double jointed then no your arm cannot reach that far. His fastest option was to reach out for it. It was stuck to him remember, if he walked towards it, it would have moved along with him, meaning it'd still be in the same position. Hence the reason he had no choice but to cross his arm over to the other side.

Damn,

Sad day when people try to justify not catching something on time by saying " He couldn't reach it"


Anyway you and I both know He was gonna catch it if not for Tobirama's quick hands

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Lol @ anyone that tries to debate Tobirama's Suiton. He has, what? Three and a half Jutsu? You expect him to be the god of Suiton with three?

Anyways, notice the one and a half he's used in part two are actually pretty deadly.

I could go on and on about how Tobirama's part one character was actually the thought of as the best Suiton user until his retcon.

It's the sad truth U_U

Yourself and Forbidden Technique, aside of course.

What I love more than anything is the fact that whenever Tobirama has any feats, they actually try to argue it applies to Minato. Hirashin feats are generally an exception but I have actually seen people that use Madara's statement to Tobirama to try and link it to Minato. It's maddening.

 

[Airbear]

Huh Bogard it seems you stand alone now...

So moving one arm is harder than body-flickering to cover distance? Not replying anymore, just going back to my spectator schemes.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Kakashi mid-high diff.

As former student of Minato and seen the FTG, he knows the mechanics of FTG, meaning he is aware of the marks. So he will keep his distance away. In the end of the day, Kakashi has:

Superior Suiton + advanced and superior shadow clones + superior teleportation(Kamui) + Chakra and stamina with his Sharingan bonus.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Lol @ anyone that tries to debate Tobirama's Suiton. He has, what? Three and a half Jutsu? You expect him to be the god of Suiton with three?

Anyways, notice the one and a half he's used in part two are actually pretty deadly.

I could go on and on about how Tobirama's part one character was actually the thought of as the best Suiton user until his retcon.



Yourself and Forbidden Technique, aside of course.

What I love more than anything is the fact that whenever Tobirama has any feats, they actually try to argue it applies to Minato. Hirashin feats are generally an exception but I have actually seen people that use Madara's statement to Tobirama to try and link it to Minato. It's maddening.

Gotta go with what this says

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Oh he's dead serious

 

[EZQ]

-Fought for an entire day.
-Raised his chakra levels to the point where it physically affected the room.
-Teleported both BM Naruto & BM Minato at the same time and didn't show one bit of fatigue.

Tobirama senses the build-up of chakra in his eye and teleports away.

Dude... he is an edo tensei, of course he doesn't show faitgue.

Anyways, Tobirama's Chakra reserves > Kakashi's. He is a senju, and i don't like to use Hype, but we haven't seen alive Tobirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hiruzen accomplished a similar feat in part1 and he had low chakra levels. It has nothing to do with the quantity but the strength of the chakra imo

Hiruzen + Orochimaru... who were enraged very high.... made a mere crack..

On top of that who said Hiruzen has low chakra levels? rofl.

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[Ababeel]

I think Kakashi has a great chance of winning honestly. U_U

by feats Kakashi has 3 elements, and he has stronger jutsus than Tobirama's water jutsus!
Also, Kakashi's water jutsus are actually better than that of Tobirama.

Kamui can be game ended here! Yes, Minato's FTG did avoided that, but that's Minato, not Tobirama.
We know that Tobirama is slower than Minato in FTG, shunshin, and reaction.

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So, avoiding Tobirama's attack is not impossible. Actually, kakashi can use his lightning clone as he did to Asura Path and fool Tobirama with it. Of course, Tobirama has ET, but since his ET is weaker than even Oro's ET in part 1, it shouldn't be that much of a deal in term of the summoners, at the end Kakashi's rampage was enough apparently to end the 7 swordsmen.

Kakashi has shown a good deal of chakra in this War as well. So, I don't see why some people can't except that kakashi can win this, he even defeated Rinnegan Obito, no?

 

[Penguin]

I am dead. Did someone say you cannot move your arm to one side of your body without dislocating your shoulder? LMFAO! Kid, get off the computer at hit up the nearest YMCA. I am dead.

OT: Tobirama mid-high diff. Dude has better CQC, Kakashi's Raiton will be re-directed once it latches onto water which conducts raiton, and the only problem is Doton which isn't hitting Tobirama.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I am dead. Did someone say you cannot move your arm to one side of your body without dislocating your shoulder? LMFAO! Kid, get off the computer at hit up the nearest YMCA. I am dead.

OT: Tobirama mid-high diff. Dude has better CQC, Kakashi's Raiton will be re-directed once it latches onto water which conducts raiton, and the only problem is Doton which isn't hitting Tobirama.

I never said that, I said if you try and do it too fast and forcefully then it will pop out. But since people don't like to read never mind. It's happened to people in real life, and my point was your arm can only stretch to a certain point in that kind of position,not very far.

 

[Avinash012]

With Kamui,Kakashi might be able to beat Tobirama but without it he stands no chance at all.

 

[Ababeel]

With Kamui,Kakashi might be able to beat Tobirama but without it he stands no chance at all.

With FTG, Tobirama might be able to beat Kakashi but without it he stands no chance at all.

There you go.

 

[Draegod]

Kakashi gets blitzed.

Retard post of the day! Blitzing a sharingan user who has better speed feats... Yet has no scan of Tobirma blitz'ing any ninja and killing them let alone damage them. Noob is noob indeed!

 

[End of Days]

-Fought for an entire day.

never happened, hashirama was the one fighting madara

-Raised his chakra levels to the point where it physically affected the room.

never happened, it was hashirama whose chakra destroyed the room

-It's quantity.

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'No need to spike your chakra to those levels.' Lrn2raed

thats tobirama asking hashirama not to spike his chakra

reading comprehension 101

Nope, hashi didn't react to it with sage mode activated. Tobirama was able to react to a blitz from juubito, don't try to discredit this feat.

hashirama's clone didnt even have sage mode active and yet was able to place exploding tags on one side of his body

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reacting to the blitz from a mindless juubito who cant control his power effectively is a feat but learn its place

I never said that, I said if you try and do it too fast and forcefully then it will pop out. But since people don't like to read never mind. It's happened to people in real life, and my point was your arm can only stretch to a certain point in that kind of position,not very far.

that is there

but also most of the time its shown that those ninjas using body flicker can grab or snatch away things faster than those trying to move their arm, example

-Minato used body flicker and grabbed baby naruto while obito could not hit naruto with a kunai by moving his arm
-Naruto grabbed sakura while sasuke couldnt hit her with a kunai while moving his arm
etc

OT: this could go anyway as its not IC for kakashi to use kamui right off bat no is it IC for tobirama to spread markings right off bat
while tobirama could sense chakra build up, kakashi could play it smart and let tobirama get away only to use kamui after he appears at a marking

 

[abouda123]

Kakashi high-extreme def

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

End of days, if Kakashi does that he can merely just jump again.

What people forget is that Tobirama can make Kage Bushin at any time; as they are his chakra he can instantly teleport to any of them.

I think we're wasting our time trying to debate for or against "Kamui snipe GG" in this matchup. What's important to concentrate on is who's gonna win by the fundementals: Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu.

 

[Touken]

never happened, hashirama was the one fighting madara



never happened, it was hashirama whose chakra destroyed the room



thats tobirama asking hashirama not to spike his chakra

reading comprehension 101



hashirama's clone didnt even have sage mode active and yet was able to place exploding tags on one side of his body

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reacting to the blitz from a mindless juubito who cant control his power effectively is a feat but learn its place



that is there

but also most of the time its shown that those ninjas using body flicker can grab or snatch away things faster than those trying to move their arm, example

-Minato used body flicker and grabbed baby naruto while obito could not hit naruto with a kunai by moving his arm
-Naruto grabbed sakura while sasuke couldnt hit her with a kunai while moving his arm
etc

OT: this could go anyway as its not IC for kakashi to use kamui right off bat no is it IC for tobirama to spread markings right off bat
while tobirama could sense chakra build up, kakashi could play it smart and let tobirama get away only to use kamui after he appears at a marking

I think this post is carcinogenic.

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi has superior Suiton to the greatest Suiton user in NV history? - LOL LOL LOL

I thought you were smarter than this

and everyone knows Kakashi has the weakest reserves of chakra - always so damned exhausted. Tobirama is able to summon ENORMOUS amounts of water where there is no water, that says a lot about his chakra capacity.

Lmao...Kakashi clearly has better feats with Suiton than Tobirama. You can go all about baseless unjustified hype, but feats will always be more reliable and they say Kakashi is better.

-His Suiton has larger scale.
-He has wide ranges of them.

Re-read the fight between Kakuzu and Kakashi, he created a massive wall of Suiton without any source of water. And no, war arc Kakashi is top 10 in Chakra reserves.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I really don't see why Tobirama wouldn't take a shit on Kakashi.

Kamui is negated by Hiraishin. Hiraishin and sensory abilities overwhelm speed of even Sharingan perception, thus better Taijutsu. Kakashi's Suiton is technically shit, Suijinheki negates Raikiri and he can perform Suiryūdan much, much faster than Kakashi since he does only one hand seal instead of the regular 44 that Kakashi uses. Also, Gojō Kibaku Fuda > all Kakashi's techniques. Suishōha can be controlled with hand movements, giving Kakashi hard time to dodge this.

Tobirama shits.​