Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan

[adaw]

Re: rinnegan sasuke hashis gift

Sasuke is still alive for starters. Characters dont get new jitsus before dying. NOW TO THE POINT... He got Chakra and a new jitsu, probably new cloning style hashi-level. Kishi has done it again, he's kept us fantasizing about the next chapter. The only thing certain is that whatever it is, Sasuke will finally equal Naruto's power after lagging far behind for so long and together they can beat now Madara.

 

[FearxDeath]

Sasuke needs Hashirama's DNA to awake the Rinnegan, not his chakra.

So let me sum it up: No.

I dont know man, we dont know if it is his Chakra or his DNA, we know that Madara stole Hashirama's DNA but in doing so he also stole his Chakra. There is enough room for for ambiguity here to make it possible... maybe not plausible, but definitely possible.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I dont know man, we dont know if it is his Chakra or his DNA, we know that Madara stole Hashirama's DNA but in doing so he also stole his Chakra. There is enough room for for ambiguity here to make it possible... maybe not plausible, but definitely possible.

Even though I could agree that DNA holds the chakra of its user (for instance, Sasori's puppets), it doesn't change the fact that from the origin of this manga, the Sage of Six Paths and the Juubi were the sources of his Elder and Younger Sons.

First, we know what is Yin Energy (or Yin power) and Yang Energy (or Yang power):

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Essentially, we can talk about Yin Yang Power to the ability of create a living being, so we can use these variables to compare the abilities of a living being.

Now, the Body and the Eyes were from the Sage (this is the DNA) and the Physical/Spiritual Energy (chakra) came from the Juubi.

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(People used to make the rebuttal that the Sage already had chakra, but this is not true at all. The power the Sage had was inherited by him from the Fruit Kaguya ate before his birth, so great part of his chakra reserves are from the Juubi itself).

So Rinnegan as a live ocular organ is the combination of four variables:
Yang Energy (Lifeforce/Vitality + Physical Energy), Yin Energy (Imagination + Spiritual Energy), Uchiha DNA (The Eyes) and Senju DNA (The Body).

Madara was able to awake the Rinnegan because he met the four requirements:

- Yin Energy (from himself)
- The Eyes (his DNA)
- The Body (Hashirama's DNA)
- Yang Energy (it was not from the dead cells of Hashirama... this was given thanks to the Yang Energy provided by the Gedou Mazou's chakra, that gave in essence, Lifeforce, because he was being nurtured by chakra with Yang afinity. That's the reason Madara could survive for so long).

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By the way, it's not like the reason Madara survived was chakra... Sasori's puppets are death but they hold chakra, so chakra alone don't give life to things. It is Yang chakra what gives life!

There is when lifeforce comes at hand... Mazou's chakra is full of lifeforce, and henceforth, we got the reason of why Madara could last so long:

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And to put the cherry to my rebuttal... Hashirama barely got chakra in his current state:

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since Madara stole the rest.

Summing it up: Sasuke lacks Senju DNA, an essential requirement for the Rinnegan.

 

[ANiMUS]

Even though I could agree that DNA holds the chakra of its user (for instance, Sasori's puppets), it doesn't change the fact that from the origin of this manga, the Sage of Six Paths and the Juubi were the sources of his Elder and Younger Sons.

First, we know what is Yin Energy (or Yin power) and Yang Energy (or Yang power):

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Essentially, we can talk about Yin Yang Power to the ability of create a living being, so we can use these variables to compare the abilities of a living being.

Now, the Body and the Eyes were from the Sage (this is the DNA) and the Physical/Spiritual Energy (chakra) came from the Juubi.

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(People used to make the rebuttal that the Sage already had chakra, but this is not true at all. The power the Sage had was inherited by him from the Fruit Kaguya ate before his birth, so great part of his chakra reserves are from the Juubi itself).

So Rinnegan as a live ocular organ is the combination of four variables:
Yang Energy (Lifeforce/Vitality + Physical Energy), Yin Energy (Imagination + Spiritual Energy), Uchiha DNA (The Eyes) and Senju DNA (The Body).

Madara was able to awake the Rinnegan because he met the four requirements:

- Yin Energy (from himself)
- The Eyes (his DNA)
- The Body (Hashirama's DNA)
- Yang Energy (it was not from the dead cells of Hashirama... this was given thanks to the Yang Energy provided by the Gedou Mazou's chakra, that gave in essence, Lifeforce, because he was being nurtured by chakra with Yang afinity. That's the reason Madara could survive for so long).

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By the way, it's not like the reason Madara survived was chakra... Sasori's puppets are death but they hold chakra, so chakra alone don't give life to things. It is Yang chakra what gives life!

There is when lifeforce comes at hand... Mazou's chakra is full of lifeforce, and henceforth, we got the reason of why Madara could last so long:

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And to put the cherry to my rebuttal... Hashirama barely got chakra in his current state:

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since Madara stole the rest.

Summing it up: Sasuke lacks Senju DNA, an essential requirement for the Rinnegan.

Except, Obito worked on Sasuke, planned on syncing him to the Mazo, wanted him to surpass Nagato, and even implanted zetsu inside of Sasuke. Though they were removed, Sasuke still underwent surgery from a non medical Ninja. His quick recovery could be attributed to the use of senju cells.
Not only that, but from our knowledge the use of bloodline techniques require...well, blood. Yet, Hashi is planning on having Sasuke use a jutsu that responds to his own senjutsu chakra, that means that Sasuke will be utilizing a senju/ senjutsu techniques while he has neither senju DNA or sage mode.
So as far as we know if chakra is enough to allow you to use a senju bloodline technique, why can't it be sufficient enough to aid in activating rinnengan???
Besides you don't raise those kinds of flags and leave them unfulfilled.
Thats like Naruto's kyuubi toad eyes with Nagato or Sasuke's senjutsu susanoo, or even Hinata sacrificing herself for Naruto.
FLAGS MUST BE MET!!! Otherwise its like empty promises
Besides even if it wasn't enough we still have Orochimaru who is almost completely made out of senju cells at this point

 

[FearxDeath]

Even though I could agree that DNA holds the chakra of its user (for instance, Sasori's puppets), it doesn't change the fact that from the origin of this manga, the Sage of Six Paths and the Juubi were the sources of his Elder and Younger Sons.

First, we know what is Yin Energy (or Yin power) and Yang Energy (or Yang power):

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Essentially, we can talk about Yin Yang Power to the ability of create a living being, so we can use these variables to compare the abilities of a living being.

Now, the Body and the Eyes were from the Sage (this is the DNA) and the Physical/Spiritual Energy (chakra) came from the Juubi.

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(People used to make the rebuttal that the Sage already had chakra, but this is not true at all. The power the Sage had was inherited by him from the Fruit Kaguya ate before his birth, so great part of his chakra reserves are from the Juubi itself).

So Rinnegan as a live ocular organ is the combination of four variables:
Yang Energy (Lifeforce/Vitality + Physical Energy), Yin Energy (Imagination + Spiritual Energy), Uchiha DNA (The Eyes) and Senju DNA (The Body).

Madara was able to awake the Rinnegan because he met the four requirements:

- Yin Energy (from himself)
- The Eyes (his DNA)
- The Body (Hashirama's DNA)
- Yang Energy (it was not from the dead cells of Hashirama... this was given thanks to the Yang Energy provided by the Gedou Mazou's chakra, that gave in essence, Lifeforce, because he was being nurtured by chakra with Yang afinity. That's the reason Madara could survive for so long).

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By the way, it's not like the reason Madara survived was chakra... Sasori's puppets are death but they hold chakra, so chakra alone don't give life to things. It is Yang chakra what gives life!

There is when lifeforce comes at hand... Mazou's chakra is full of lifeforce, and henceforth, we got the reason of why Madara could last so long:

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And to put the cherry to my rebuttal... Hashirama barely got chakra in his current state:

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since Madara stole the rest.

Summing it up: Sasuke lacks Senju DNA, an essential requirement for the Rinnegan.

Always a pleasure to debate with you Hidu , Ill follow your rebuttal from top to bottom and highlight the things I have a problem with.

the Sage of Six Paths and the Juubi were the sources of his Elder and Younger Sons.

This is a very ambigious subject. All we know is that the Sage got something from the Juubi, no one knows what exactly, and that the Sage had 2 sons each possessing a part of his power.

(People used to make the rebuttal that the Sage already had chakra, but this is not true at all. The power the Sage had was inherited by him from the Fruit Kaguya ate before his birth, so great part of his chakra reserves are from the Juubi itself).

This is contradictory, first you say the sage didnt "already" have chakra then you say that a large part of his chakra comes from the Juubi which implies that some of the chakra didnt come from the Juubi which contradicts your first statement.

More importantly I believe that what was stolen from the Juubi wasnt his Chakra persay. I may go ahead and make a thread about this just to better explain my point. But what the Princess obtain by eating the fruit was the Rinnegan and not Chakra and since the RInnegan much like the Sharingan is derived from Chakra found within the Brian then this could be what is meant by the baby being born with Chakra inside of him.

This wouldnt make any sense if taken any other way because Chakra is Yin + Yang molded together.

it was not from the dead cells of Hashirama

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Hashirama's Cells arent as dead as you claim, they are very much still alive.

By the way, it's not like the reason Madara survived was chakra... Sasori's puppets are death but they hold chakra, so chakra alone don't give life to things. It is Yang chakra what gives life!

Your limiting the Gedo to giving Madara just Yang Energy when it could have given him both Yin and Yang, not that this changes much but it is something I have noticed.

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In your own Qoute Hashirama is sure to point out that Madara stole his Senjutsu and not his Chakra. Which makes sense since because he is an Edo Tensie he should have unlimited Chakra.

Sasuke lacks Senju DNA, an essential requirement for the Rinnegan.

Arguable, we still dont know if Rinnegan requires Senju DNA or just Senju Chakra which is composed of Yin and Yang thus granting the same basic elements that the Senju DNA would provide.

 

[ooltafooltanitin]

Rinnegan .... not happening .....


Madara will troll a little , sasuke is just a normal guy in front of him.

 

[cmontesi]

DNA =/= Chakra.
You need Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA to awaken the rinnegan.
But not only do you need Senju DNA, you need to control it as well.

 

[Trollnojutsu]

Fanboys........ Fanboys everywhere

 

[DanesoulX]

I guess these haters don't understand...It was never stated that you specifically need Senju DNA for an Uchiha to awaken Rinnegan...ppl who are claiming this,please link me to that chapter. What I learnt as a true fan is that you need Both the powers of the Uchiha and Senju to obtain Rinnegan. having Senju DNA was Madara's method of getting it. Sasuke will get it by molding his Uchiha Chakra with his Senju Chakra and get Rinnegan! Kishimoto made Sasuke get Hashirama's Chakra for a reason...he never had to mention it if it was not something important...he could have just let Hashirama give him the jutsu without including chakra or mentioning it.

Narutobase is just full of Sasuke haters.

 

[DeathandHealing]

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[hkburke178]

Re: rinnegan sasuke hashis gift

I haven't followed this series in a while but I'm trying to get caught up. Since ppl are talking about mixing chakras and gaining new abilities, did Naruto ever use whatever that was Itachi gave him? Just want to know. .

 

[Black Ace]

just like obito in the latest naruto shippuden he was attach to hachi tissue or cel and he could use wood style out of no wear. this was cause hashi cell was attach to him. but chakra on the other and is not dna or cell which means that sasuke could not get the rinnegan'

 

[dwaynes50]

Re: rinnegan sasuke hashis gift

I think sasuke is gonna use Izanami, there is no way he is going to get the rinnegan, its too early for that

 

[DanesoulX]

just like obito in the latest naruto shippuden he was attach to hachi tissue or cel and he could use wood style out of no wear. this was cause hashi cell was attach to him. but chakra on the other and is not dna or cell which means that sasuke could not get the rinnegan'

What does wood style have to do with the Rinnegan? it's stated when both Powers of Uchiha and Senju combined gives you the Rinnegan...DNA has nothing to do with it..Sasuke has Uchiha Chakra and now has Senju Chakra which when both a mixed together it will awaken his Rinnegan.

 

[Trollnojutsu]

What does wood style have to do with the Rinnegan? it's stated when both Powers of Uchiha and Senju combined gives you the Rinnegan...DNA has nothing to do with it..Sasuke has Uchiha Chakra and now has Senju Chakra which when both a mixed together it will awaken his Rinnegan.

If and this is a big if, he does obtain it even in the next chapter, he will have zero experience with it. That being said if he does get it, it most likely won't be for a while. With that being said hashi did say Justu, so in my thinking he is gaining knowledge of how to bind madara to make him less powerful and easier to kill.

 

[Zohaku]

Re: Sasuke is a jinchuriki now

Yep, think about it, he has sealed Hashirama's chakra inside him, so now maybe he can use some SM (senju mode) and become a beast or something, or even better, become Hashirama just like Naruto becomes Kurama.

i think that is the best one that i heard so far lol not naruto coming back or me thinking its gonna happen but more like him becoming hashirama lol
give this guy a cookie

 

[Zohaku]

i believe he is gonna be able to get the rinnegan i think hes gonna get it because he is having a near death experice just like how madara got his and i also think that whole gettin the rinnegan from the senju i think thats wrong because madara gained in right before he died but he never stated that he had that dna inside him he awaken it before he die which he had it before hand

 

[Zohaku]

i agree im a sasuke fan

 

[Mystikk]

i agree im a sasuke fan

So am I but naruto is still bad ass.. but my favorite is itachi... I wish we could see itachi vs madara I know itachi would lose but I swear he would put up a very good fight unlike all these dumb shinobi getting pawned!! O an sasuke will get the rennigan get over it he has all the requirements even a well used ems .. so I know he will get rennigan because I felt the same about him getting a ms or even when he obtained the ems ... its going to happen guys.

 

[zayYz]

Re: did sasuke already got rinnegan?????????????????

this one is the most possible thing to happen