Proof that tobirama is top 10 if you can understand

[Ababeel]

I hope you realize doppleganger is Kage Bunshin. A kage bunshin's FTG is not instant, but the user is.

When Tobirama says "Fourth, you are even better at teleporting than me."

Is that the Viz? Cause I don't think so. Lol

Body flicker was also by shunshin so argument irrelevant.

So, how can the FTG be slower even though the clone will teleport as well, and at the same time it cannot be slower
because it's instant? Lol

Yes, it's Viz scan. U_U

-What are you talking about?
When Minato teleported to obito, Tobirama said "Shunshin" even though Minato used FTG to do that.
When Tobirama teleported the 2 fodders he said "Shunshin" even though he used FTG and teleported them to Minato's Kunais.

...etc
Why do I need to explain this? I already put the scans from the manga directly!

 

[Murasame]

You mean a bunshin feint? It is regularly used in CQC by Itachi and Kakashi as well. Lol
Hashirama was under powered [confirmed by Tobirama] whilst Madara was revived "beyond his prime".

If thats what it is then I suppose yeah >.> Point is if he had to use that to keep up with Madara then Madara is probably above him in speed or whatever.
True but still he was nearly at full power and I took a look back it was base hashirama that he seemed to be beating in CQC.
Also Madara may have been revived past his prime but he couldn't use his full power either as well.

 

[Uchiha Aizen]

Well.. Minato is ma fav... N i know that minato is better.. Proof:
1.FTG:
Minato was able to teleport TBB with jst throwing a kunai there,minato was able to upgrade d ftg to d level that even YOUR Tobirama admitted was better than his.
2.Quick reflexes:
minato has one of d quickes reflexes,if not d quickest.. When obito sneak-ishly came towards minato frm behind,minato was able to respond so fast dat if obito had not kamuied himself,he wud b a goner,also,wen young kakashi used chidori and tried to attack attack dat ninja,minato frm a distance deflected his kunai with a kunai as if it were timed,and lastly,minato was able to dodge AY's lightning speed punch.
3.ANALYSIS:
Minato was able to analyse obito's abilty and land an attack on him in a matter of minutes,it took kakashi 1 or more seasons to figure it out and land an attack,n kakashi is current best in analysis in konoha amongst those alive,also minato was able to analyse kakashi's chidori,know d advantages n disadvantages in jst one look,and it was d first tym he saw it.
ATTACKS:
Minato used rasengan on obito and it ripped apart obito's left arm,NOTE: obito also used dat same hand to block d 6th sword without gettin any damage,even naruto's rasengan cud not damage his arm.
I did almost forgot to even mention minato's kcm.. So in terms of chakra,tobirama can't be compared to minato.
So there u hav it.. Minato is better,d fact he didn't prove himself in d battlefield was because he never expected obito,his student to b d villain,so,sentimentality was involved,even hiruzen cudn't kill oro when he saw oro kill those konoha ninja's.

 

[Draegod]

He said he can get rid of TBB. V2 is what Tobirama cannot handle apparently. A kunai cut Killer B's tentacle, so Suidanha or a sword should do the trick. He is faster than B by quite a bit.

Bee rapes, do not kid your self!

 

[Gold Lightning]

No he's not top 10. 3rd Raikage thrashes him, Kakashi ends him high diff. Killer Bee is too much for him, Mu is debatable. Even Ay beats Tobirama, I don't even think he can beat Sage Jiraya.

 

[Xāvî1]

i have no problem with that

 

[FlemSmack]

Tobirama had a better showing than Minato did against Juubito.

 

[Retsu]

I agree, ppl love to restrict his edo tensei but the fact remains he has fodder edo's that are basically edo deidara's and he also can utilize shadow clones to mark ppl with ftg in all the havoc. He can also use water dragon with 1 hand sign which no one else can do, meaning he could easily cath ppl off guard with it. He could easily take on ppl from anyone's top ten list and come out with a victory or two.

 

[Minator93]

He's always tanked in my top 10 U_U

A top-10 List excluding Sage, his sons, Prime Hiruzen, Kakashi, Shishui and Danzou:

1. Obito
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Naruto
5. Minato
6. Tobirama
7. Nagato
8. Jinchuriki Garra
9. DSM Kabuto
10. Muu

 

[Zato]

I like Tobirama but didn't he die to damn near fodder ninja? I mean I know there were 20 of them but still... I wonder how he died anyway. He had FTG so he could have teleported himself and his group back to Konoha but he didn't think to leave a seal behind? Or is this just more bad story telling by Kishi?

 

[Retsu]

I like Tobirama but didn't he die to damn near fodder ninja? I mean I know there were 20 of them but still... I wonder how he died anyway. He had FTG so he could have teleported himself and his group back to Konoha but he didn't think to leave a seal behind? Or is this just more bad story telling by Kishi?

You act as if he actually had a choice, keep in mind that was crucial to plot so Hiruzen could be elected Hokage, even if he has the skills to pay the bills at the end of the day his actions are all dictated by Kishi's pencil.

 

[Zato]

You act as if he actually had a choice, keep in mind that was crucial to plot so Hiruzen could be elected Hokage, even if he has the skills to pay the bills at the end of the day his actions are all dictated by Kishi's pencil.

But this is what I am talking about when I say "more bad story telling". He is shown to have FTG so doesn't he think that if hes out at war on a mission then it would be smart to leave a seal behind so he can teleport back to? Hell even Minato was smart enough to do it. Well Minato wasn't smart enough to put seals on his actual students but still... I just think its obvious Kishi did not plan ahead with Tobirama and had him die in a lame way. Its funny because Tobiramam was teleporting almost the entire shinobi alliance at one point so he couldn't teleport just 6 of his own students? Kishi has some explaining to do.

 

[Retsu]

But this is what I am talking about when I say "more bad story telling". He is shown to have FTG so doesn't he think that if hes out at war on a mission then it would be smart to leave a seal behind so he can teleport back to? Hell even Minato was smart enough to do it. Well Minato wasn't smart enough to put seals on his actual students but still... I just think its obvious Kishi did not plan ahead with Tobirama and had him die in a lame way. Its funny because Tobiramam was teleporting almost the entire shinobi alliance at one point so he couldn't teleport just 6 of his own students? Kishi has some explaining to do.

With a story as massive and detailed as Naruto obviously you're gonna have a few mistakes/discrepancies when comparing things that happened in the past, and a characters war time arsenal in an end game scenario. Even Hashirama was said to have died in a war, for all we know one ninja could have solo'd him with a kunai.

 

[Zato]

With a story as massive and detailed as Naruto obviously you're gonna have a few mistakes/discrepancies when comparing things that happened in the past, and a characters war time arsenal in an end game scenario. Even Hashirama was said to have died in a war, for all we know one ninja could have solo'd him with a kunai.

There are a ton of other mangas out there with far complex story telling and characters then Naruto so that excuse doesn't cut it. I personally think hes just a lazy writer. I don't want to lead this convo into that direction in this thread so I'll just stop talking about it.

 

[psukkar]

ofcourse hes top 10 more like top 5 actually.

Surprised any1 doubt this.

Just do what I do when see stuff like this mate, just call them noobs and move on.

 

[garas56]

No he is not inj top 10
1.Jubito
2.Madara
3.Naruto
4.Hashirama
5.Kabuto with ET
5.Orochimaru with ET
6.Nagato
7.Sasuke
8.Minato
9.Kakashi
10.Itachi
11.Ay
12.Bee
13Guy
14.Tobirama
15.Gaara
16.Kisame/Third Raikage/Muu/Second Mizukage/Onoki
Tobirama is top 15 but not top 10

 

[Jarex]

You guys underestimate tobirama sooo much.

He will win itachi and his susano cause tobirama has studied the uchiha for a very long time and knows very much about them I doubt that he won't know susano's weak point.

About killerbee let's not forget that tobirama is a swordsman too he has the sword of the thunder God(when he was alive ). He can fight bee and his speed is far better than that of killerbee. He can do ftg to places without marking that is the feat that he uses to be on par with minato who uses kunai. His suiton jutsus also are very dangerous and deadly.

About edo tensei. Do you think there aren't strong ninjas then. He would have edoed strong ninjas then and used them until he stoped. He might have other edo tensei jutsus which have not yet been shown by kishi.

Tobirama is a very fast thinker and analyses situations very fast. He has senju dna and huge chakra reserves to take on anyone.

 

[TaBaYo]

Gin and Kin almost killed him in a meeting with the 2nd Raikage if I remember correctly and they aren't that strong compared to the characters we see now.

He was finally killed by 20 members of the Kin/Gin squad.

Most people didnt know how their sealing worked, so they could defeat anyone simply.

I do believe that it was hashirama who used that and not tobirama

Now imagine that instead of using a kunai he uses the water jutsu he used against the god tree to cut him down

I do believe the gin and kin incident was a surprise attack, we don't really know much about how he died except for he faced gin and kin and 20 other specialists.

No, Tobi used the dark genjutsu, i think.

 

[Nattana]

You people severely underestimate tobirama he is one of 2 people who who possess ftg which is an incredible jutsu. You say he lacks feats but he has proved himself more than enough and against the likes of juubito, the god tree and hiruzen. His ftg gives him the upper hand against most opponents due to the sheer speed of ftg. His reactions are some of the best in the manga, he is the best water style user or at least said to be, however kisame is very impressive in that field and is likely better. Even so his suiton is powerful, he was able to cut through the god tree with a pressurised water jutsu that cut through the tree effortlessly. His analytical skills are some of the best in the manga I would put him up there with itachi. He has Edo tensei and jutsu to use in combination with Edo tensei like the exploding Edo tensei tags jutsu. Against hiruzen he used a water wave type jutsu compared to the short burst of pressurised water used against the god tree showing he is capable of summoning large bodies of water. So I hope you guys have taken note and hopefully I've changed your mind even a tiny bit if I have then it was worth you reading.

for you lazy guys

One of two guys who has ftg - Not true. Moreover, his FTG is worse than Minato's.
Some of the best Water jutsu in manga - Well, actually there weren't that many Suiton users, but even so his Suiton isn't anywhere near of Top3 users.
Some of the best reactions in manga - Off-panel reactions, kkkkkk. Unless you show me any scans of his amazing reaction time, it's not even an argument.
Incredibly intelligent and analytical - Agreed.
Edo tensei - Featless and worse than P1 Oro's Edo Tensei.
Edo tensei battle tactics - He has some Edo tactics, but he hasn't summonned any Edo yet, at least on-panel. It's like praising Mei's Doton and Katon because she has mastery in them, but she hasn't shown it yet.
This is more than enough to take on anyone and too much for some characters.

P.s no bashing, negative opinions, or generally being a d##k, if you have something to say explain and we can talk. Tobirama > your fave unless its madara or hashirama or juubito. You think he is not top 10 bring whoever you think is number 10 in your list and let's debate

Bold are my responses to your 'arguments'. Tobirama is almost featless right now. He would need at least one solo fight to show what he's capable of.

 

[Avinash012]

I need more feats from the dude.