.His FTG is a weaker version of Minatos , but people still make excuse for him & still make them equal , which he himself said to be inferior .
.His suiton is overrated , yeah i know he cut the Tree , but so did everybody else , he's barely shown any feats with it . Kisame & Mei are better than him in suiton , judging by feats .
.I know he is the creator of Edo Tensai , but why give it as his feat ? did he ever used it in a battle ? have we seen that ? I didn't see it in the manga I don't count it + I believe he himself said that we will never use it .
He might be smart, but that is not enough IMO , again, I don't think he has shown enough feats to even count him as a top 10 material , he might crack it , but I don't see him being stronger than any of the Top 10 characters.
.His clan &hype don't do it for me , there's nothing wrong with him not being a top 10 , but well his fans overrate him a lot , just my two cents tho , have an A1 day .
The only weakness to his ftg is that he does not use Kunai. I would say kisame yes but mei better than him with suiton I don't think so. No he has not used Edo tensei in any manga panels but the fact that he had developed jutsu to use on Edo tense I in battle surely points towards him having used Edo tensei in the past. I mean who creates a jutsu and does not use it, also it seems madara k owns of it quoting it is used to clear a battlefield reguarless of the caster. Intelligence is not to be underestimated as he can figure out enemies weaknesses quickly in like others and develops counters for their fighting methods. Also his clan being born in that clan gives him huge chakra reserves and strong chakra, remembering the wall cracking?
The only weakness to his ftg is that he does not use Kunai. I would say kisame yes but mei better than him with suiton I don't think so. No he has not used Edo tensei in any manga panels but the fact that he had developed jutsu to use on Edo tense I in battle surely points towards him having used Edo tensei in the past. I mean who creates a jutsu and does not use it, also it seems madara k owns of it quoting it is used to clear a battlefield reguarless of the caster. Intelligence is not to be underestimated as he can figure out enemies weaknesses quickly in like others and develops counters for their fighting methods. Also his clan being born in that clan gives him huge chakra reserves and strong chakra, remembering the wall cracking?
I do not agree, all things considered when bee goes in to bm mode it makes him a big target any attack he throws at tobirama he can ftg his way out of while the Edo would bombard him by exploding and in bm he is not very fast or mobile so they would slowly chip away at him. Granted he is durable but I'm sure bee cannot take conitunous explosions plus tobirama cutting him down with his suiton.
I do not agree, all things considered when bee goes in to bm mode it makes him a big target any attack he throws at tobirama he can ftg his way out of while the Edo would bombard him by exploding and in bm he is not very fast or mobile so they would slowly chip away at him. Granted he is durable but I'm sure bee cannot take conitunous explosions plus tobirama cutting him down with his suiton.
I'm iffy about the proof you use to say that Tobirama is faster than Hashirama. How do we know that Kishi just made them have different poses for the heck of it?
His FTG is slower than Minato's, and he does not even have the Kunais. His ET is weaker than that of Kabuto & Oro.
His water jutsus feats, do not come close to that of Kisame, Mei, kakashi, or even Darui...etc
The only weakness to his ftg is that he does not use Kunai. I would say kisame yes but mei better than him with suiton I don't think so. No he has not used Edo tensei in any manga panels but the fact that he had developed jutsu to use on Edo tense I in battle surely points towards him having used Edo tensei in the past. I mean who creates a jutsu and does not use it, also it seems madara k owns of it quoting it is used to clear a battlefield reguarless of the caster. Intelligence is not to be underestimated as he can figure out enemies weaknesses quickly in like others and develops counters for their fighting methods. Also his clan being born in that clan gives him huge chakra reserves and strong chakra, remembering the wall cracking?
I'm iffy about the proof you use to say that Tobirama is faster than Hashirama. How do we know that Kishi just made them have different poses for the heck of it?
Look. They were using Shunshin the whole way here. They wanted to get to the battlefield asap and even Tobirama admitted his shunshin fails compared to Minato's. This reinforces the fact Tobirama and everyone used shunshin the whole way there, and since Tobirama was the one saying how his shunshin failed in comparison to Minato's and not Hashirama, this shows Tobirama is the fastest. And the way that they are placed. Tobirama is standing, Hashirama is getting up, and Hiruzen in on the ground.
No, he is not top 10. A lot of people can defeat him
obito, madara, Minato, Naruto, hashirama, nagato (or pain), Kabuto, sasuke, Kin/Gin, Jiraiya, B, 3rd Raikage, and probably kakashi...etc Tobirama would also be able to beat 90 percent of them
His FTG is slower than Minato's, and he does not even have the Kunais. His ET is weaker than that of Kabuto & Oro.
His water jutsus feats, do not come close to that of Kisame, Mei, kakashi, or even Darui...etc
Tobiramas ftg is not slower than minatos they are both instantaneous please read the manga again. Tobirama et is not weaker than oro or kabutos because he uses it in a different way aka as suicide bombers that could blow up the whole battlefield. Before tobirama was even revived people believed that tobirama was famous for his water style so what happens if he only uses one suiton jutsu when he is revives? Kishi is holding him back just like he is holding back minato and hiruzen. They will all have their time to shine just wait. And also tobirama is probably one of the best sensors in the whole series.
Agreed tobirama needs some defensive feats, I can't see a tbb hitting him but bees physical attacks would be hard to avoid considering the amount of tentacles he has and when he spins around. You make solid point I guess whoever gets the first hit while bee is in bm mode would likely be the victor.
hopefully we get to see more of tobirama I'm hoping he gets a shot at madara and displays some more jutsu, even though madara isn't going down any time soon.
Tobiramas ftg is not slower than minatos they are both instantaneous please read the manga again. Tobirama et is not weaker than oro or kabutos because he uses it in a different way aka as suicide bombers that could blow up the whole battlefield. Before tobirama was even revived people believed that tobirama was famous for his water style so what happens if he only uses one suiton jutsu when he is revives? Kishi is holding him back just like he is holding back minato and hiruzen. They will all have their time to shine just wait. And also tobirama is probably one of the best sensors in the whole series.
Look. They were using Shunshin the whole way here. They wanted to get to the battlefield asap and even Tobirama admitted his shunshin fails compared to Minato's. This reinforces the fact Tobirama and everyone used shunshin the whole way there, and since Tobirama was the one saying how his shunshin failed in comparison to Minato's and not Hashirama, this shows Tobirama is the fastest. And the way that they are placed. Tobirama is standing, Hashirama is getting up, and Hiruzen in on the ground.
Imo the way I see it those three got there the same time.. they just had different poses. We don't know if Kishi did it for the heck of it or to show that Tobirama was faster. Just because he didn't mention Hashirama doesn't mean he's faster though they could be equal with him saying that.. its not really conclusive from what I see.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but Madara was going against an SM Hashirama not base so I wonder why you used that comparison to show that hes on par with Madara's speed.
Imo the way I see it those three got there the same time.. they just had different poses. We don't know if Kishi did it for the heck of it or to show that Tobirama was faster. Just because he didn't mention Hashirama doesn't mean he's faster though they could be equal with him saying that.. its not really conclusive from what I see.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but Madara was going against an SM Hashirama not base so I wonder why you used that comparison.
Madara also fought regular Hashirama and Hashirama was equal with him in CQC and showed great speed feats such as outrunning a TBB+Sword for a short while, hopping on and off falling debris, and was equal to Madara in CQC. SM Hashirama was on Shin Sūsenju most of the time.
Tobiramas ftg is not slower than minatos they are both instantaneous please read the manga again. Tobirama et is not weaker than oro or kabutos because he uses it in a different way aka as suicide bombers that could blow up the whole battlefield. Before tobirama was even revived people believed that tobirama was famous for his water style so what happens if he only uses one suiton jutsu when he is revives? Kishi is holding him back just like he is holding back minato and hiruzen. They will all have their time to shine just wait. And also tobirama is probably one of the best sensors in the whole series.
- That's fan fiction, dude.
They are not at the same speed, as you can see here first
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As you can see, the FTG can be slower.
Also, Minato arrived first at the battlefield, and Tobirama admitted that he's inferior.
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Not only in speed, but also of the number they can teleport
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And because Minato is the fastest par none, it was stated in the manga as such
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Now, just in case you would say "Oh, but in the online translation he said shunshin". That's cool and all, but FTG can be called by a shunshin as well
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- Yes, Tobirama use his ET differently, but still the people that he raised up are weak, and the only have that one trick. Also, I really doubt that Tobirama can use them and fight along side them at the same time! It's just like Oro and
Kabuto more likely, he has to stay away and focus on the ET to control them. U_U
- The ANBU only said "unbelievable" he did not say that Tobirama is the greatest water jutsu or any such thing!
However, if kishi gave him more feats, then I'd gladly consider that as part of his arsenal! As for the sensing part, yes, I agree.
Madara also fought regular Hashirama and Hashirama was equal with him in CQC and showed great speed feats such as outrunning a TBB+Sword for a short while, hopping on and off falling debris, and was equal to Madara in CQC. SM Hashirama was on Shin Sūsenju most of the time.
Not quite.. from what I remember Hashirama had to use a clone to land a sneak attack to defeat Madara otherwis he would've been bested in CQC.
I believe he also had the upperhand (or atleast on par) on Hashirama in their rematch just recently since he got him with the Rods.. it was until Hashirama started using the wood dragon + gates that Maddy lost.
Not quite.. from what I remember Hashirama had to use a clone to land a sneak attack to defeat Madara otherwis he would've been bested in CQC.
I believe he also had the upperhand (or atleast on par) on Hashirama in their rematch just recently since he got him with the Rods.. it was until Hashirama started using the wood dragon + gates that Maddy lost.
You mean a bunshin feint? It is regularly used in CQC by Itachi and Kakashi as well. Lol
Hashirama was under powered [confirmed by Tobirama] whilst Madara was revived "beyond his prime".
