Kimimaro is way more agile than Orochimaru. It's almost a wonder if one can land a proper hit on him, which expects unpredictability. I think that was clearly portrayed and demonstrated. This series of attacks Tsunade landed on Orochimaru happened when she surprised him out of her alleged unconsciousness.
The speed Tsunade is hyped to have her was never displayed. The stats in the databook is official.
Kimimaro is way more agile than Orochimaru. It's almost a wonder if one can land a proper hit on him, which expects unpredictability. I think that was clearly portrayed and demonstrated. This series of attacks Tsunade landed on Orochimaru happened when she surprised him out of her alleged unconsciousness.
The speed Tsunade is hyped to have her was never displayed. The stats in the databook is official.
Exactly. That person keeps pulling out DB stats to show tsunade's better than someone in x area, then says "but, but, speed doesn't matter". Then strength doesn't matter either and tsunade's now useless -_-.
No. For being fast. Immune to any lucky punch. Regenerative. and a double edged sword. He kicks the shit out of her ass. That's so obvious it's beyond ridiculous.
I don't agree... Lee is faster than a lot of shinobis, but that doesn't make him the winner in all those fights, the fact that others cannot match his speed doesn't mean they cannot block or counter, or whatever...
If tsunade punches Kimi; If it's not super powerful, Kimi's bone tanks it.
If tsunade punches kimi and shatters his bones and does some damage, Kimi automatically regenerates (part of his KKG).
If tsunade even tries to touch kimi, he does dance of the camellia and tsunade severely injures herself.
I don't agree again, the fist that destroyed Susanno in 2 strikes, will seriously damage Kimmimaro...
Doesn't matter if Tsunade is injured, she probably will, but she can regenerate herself lots of times.
I search in Narutopedia and other places i couldnt find anything about Kimmimaro's regenerative Skills.
What happens when tsunade takes too much damage? Her chakra pool runs the hell out. That'd happen very quickly when all she can do is punch a regenerating, spiked tank.. Oh, which can also attack back far faster than her and riddle her with damage when she's not landing hits.
I don't think she would get to that point with a 15 year old opponent. She is so much more intelligent and experienced than him, she will find the way to land her punch, as she always does.
Can lee do any of this? Didn't think so. So, maybe you should take your hyperbole and leave with it because it doesn't help your argument at all.
"hurr durr, Tsunade's stronger than kimi who can absorb far more damage than her. She mussstttt win. She regerates right???? I mean, kimi does too but... Tsunade man! She's a sannin, and Kimi's an unranked henchman who was claimed invinsible by Kabuto (who whipped tsunade) and prized by orochimaru(who hates weaklings)... Oh and also called him near indestructible. But, hey tsunade! because... Tsunade!!!"
Just stop. Your lee argument was completely irrelevant.
To sum up, Tsunade can tank, or block Kimmimaro's attacks, because all of his attacks are about cutting and piercing, and that won't stop Byakugou Tsunade nor Katsuyu, who is immune to every physical attack. I believe she has the power to break and seriously damage his body, with her strength, with the bones she manage to cut off from him, with Katsuyu's acid, attacking his nerves or using sleep-gas bombs.
For the record, I don't feel you've countered nothing of what i said about Lee.
Orochimaru : Taijutsu 3.5.
You conveniently left that out huh. But, based on your very example, I'm sure Orochimaru can dodge as well as kimi and lee because of speed. Not like evasion is part of Combat skill :|
Regarding to Orochimaru Taijutsu level, i didn't notice actually, but that doesn't change anything, in the very first page of the Databook they show you the Skill Parameters with a definition for each one (INT, TAI, HAND, STA, etc)
For Speed it says (I found it in Spanish and i am translating it by myself, feel free to look it up by yourself)
For Taijutsu I can't translate it because the people who translated the Databook to Spanish, made a mistake and in the Taijutsu section they put the definition of Genjutsu.
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And i couldn't find that page anywhere else.
But my point is proven anyway, those 2 punches Tsunade landed to Orochimaru, had nothing to do with Taijutsu, just Speed, reaction time.
Kimimaro is way more agile than Orochimaru. It's almost a wonder if one can land a proper hit on him, which expects unpredictability. I think that was clearly portrayed and demonstrated. This series of attacks Tsunade landed on Orochimaru happened when she surprised him out of her alleged unconsciousness.
The speed Tsunade is hyped to have her was never displayed. The stats in the databook is official.
I am not hyping her speed, I am saying it doesn't matter if she is slower than him.
But is a fact that she can land hits to characters faster than her, and is a fact that Kishi thinks both Kimmimaro and Orochimaru have the same speed. She is smart, and she deceived Orochimaru that time, a level 5 Intelligence, what will stop her deceiving Kimmimaro, a 3.5 level Intelligence?
Besides, i strongly believe she can shatter his chest in one blow, if Susanno got destroyed in 2 blows, Kimmi's durability won't last longer...
Exactly. That person keeps pulling out DB stats to show tsunade's better than someone in x area, then says "but, but, speed doesn't matter". Then strength doesn't matter either and tsunade's now useless -_-.
The talk is about agility and not mere speed. Several Shinobi possess a stat of 4.5, yet Kimimaro outclasses them in the matter of avoiding direct hits.
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I recall Kimimaro's words regarding a successful blow on him.
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It is indeed extremely hard to hit Kimimaro, even if you'd have the same speed as him.
The talk is about agility and not mere speed. Several Shinobi possess a stat of 4.5, yet Kimimaro outclasses them in the matter of avoiding direct hits.
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I recall Kimimaro's words regarding a successful blow on him.
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It is indeed extremely hard to hit Kimimaro, even if you'd have the same speed as him.
Maybe, he was fighting early-chunnin level ninjas and Gaara, who surpass both Naruto and Lee in terms of power and experience.
But Tsunade is not like that at all, she may be slower than Lee with his gates open, but she still has her experience and knowledge by her side.
I love how no one was able to prove Joki wrong as to how a non Yin seal Sakura would lose to Kimimaro yet the Tsunade debaters these days can't even put up a good argument of Tsunade winning against Kimimaro without getting refuted. (
Lee is faster and more agile than Tsunade. Look at how fast he is when taking off his weights or activates gates, look at how unpredictable his moves become when he's drunk. Genin can also surpass Jonin in certain areas they're specialized in. Rank doesn't necessarily mean much; Shikamaru became the only Chunin, while in fact there are others which are much stronger. Rank doesn't refer to power only.
Lee is faster and more agile than Tsunade. Look at how fast he is when taking off his weights or activates gates, look at how unpredictable his moves become when he's drunk. Genin can also surpass Jonin in certain areas they're specialized in some areas. Rank doesn't necessarily means much; Shikamaru became the only Chunin, while in fact there are others which are much stronger. Rank doesn't refer to power only.
This is how fast Tsunade is in battle. Attacking linear and allowing the likes of Kabuto and Orochimaru to dodge.
And that's the fighting style she always keeps. Attacking a huge Susanoo clone with a linear attack, running towards Madara while keeping a long dialogue and hitting the ribcage.
Tsunade isn't fast. Stop fooling yourself. That's just ridiculous.
Part one weaknesses mean crap when talking about current characters
And that's the fighting style she always keeps. Attacking a huge Susanoo clone with a linear attack, running towards Madara while keeping a long dialogue and hitting the ribcage.
I love how no one was able to prove Joki wrong as to how a non Yin seal Sakura would lose to Kimimaro yet the Tsunade debaters these days can't even put up a good argument of Tsunade winning against Kimimaro without getting refuted. (
Jumping in the way of a Katon Jutsu to protect the teammate who can't perform a Ninjutsu fast enough as he lacks the Chakra, isn't a speed feat. Hitting Susanoo isn't a speed feat since Susanoo doesn't move fast, if anything then hits fast, what wasn't even the case when Madara was playing around with the Gokage, seeing how slowly a Susanoo clone hit Mei [
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Do you know why the speed stats of most, if not all Jonin or adults didn't change from part1 to part2 according to the databook? Because at some age, you reached your limit at certain areas. Tsunade can develop new medical Ninjutsu as she is an expert, but at the end of the day, she is a 50 years old Shinobi who received most, if not all skills and experience she could receive during her lifetime and reached the maximum of her batte skills. Then, she took place at the Hokage's seat. She created Byakugo, one of the highest form of medical Jutsu as she is an expert in it.
But, that her speed could've improved, that's, my friends, nonsense. The speed feats she displayed in part2 are the same of part1, only with more screentime in battles.
She couldn't even complete it in time and how is it not a speed feat when she was the first one to react to it?
Hitting Susanoo isn't a speed feat since Susanoo doesn't move fast, if anything then hits fast, what wasn't even the case when Madara was playing around with the Gokage, seeing how slowly a Susanoo clone hit Mei [
The databook is pretty outdated and hasn't been updated since the pain arc
Not exactly the best source of info
Because at some age, you reached your limit at certain areas. Tsunade can develop new medical Ninjutsu as she is an expert, but at the end of the day, she is a 50 years old Shinobi who received most, if not all skills and experience she could receive during her lifetime and reached the maximum of her batte skills. Then, she took place at the Hokage's seat. She created Byakugo, one of the highest form of medical Jutsu as she is an expert in it.
But, that her speed could've improved, that's, my friends, nonsense. The speed feats she displayed in part2 are the same of part1, only with more screentime in battles.
She would have no reason to slack off because of her age or cause she "thought" it wouldn't matter
She is the hokage after all it's not she would give up her honed skills and just sit back at a desk
In part 2 she had more chances to show that speed her improving just because she's already experienced isn't nonsense at all
