A mere fallacy. It's not the fact plot holding Kakashi back. It's the fact Madara can counter it easily. As a proficient and powerful Chakra sensor with Sage mode enhancing his perception, Madara can sense the Chakra build up in Kakashi's eyes as he is about to use Kamui. This allows him to sense it before it's castes and react to it. He can counter this by these techniques:
-Mayfly
-A smoke of Katon
-Mokuton Bunshin
As Madara said, Kamui is not something he can't handle.
If obito cannot kamui himself Due to the juubi, what makes you think kakashi can even come close to achieving that feat?
The whole point is that the juubi cannot be carried to the other dimension, Kakashi cannot send juubito to the other dimension because again he cannot pass through the other dimension making kamui ineffective.
If obito cannot kamui himself Due to the juubi, what makes you think kakashi can even come close to achieving that feat?
The whole point is that the juubi cannot be carried to the other dimension, Kakashi cannot send juubito to the other dimension because again he cannot pass through the other dimension making kamui ineffective.
kakashi would need to kamui obito's body to the other dimension which again is not possible.
kakashi kamui'in parts of obito's body?
thats not possible as well, Since obito was not able to even phase out any body part of his to avoid attacks meaning he cannot go intangible due to the juubi ultimately meaning nothing of juubito can pass through the Kamui dimension.
kakashi would need to kamui obito's body to the other dimension which again is not possible.
kakashi kamui'in parts of obito's body?
thats not possible as well, Since obito was not able to even phase out any body part of his to avoid attacks meaning he cannot go intangible due to the juubi ultimately meaning nothing of juubito can pass through the Kamui dimension.
Think of it like this; picking yourself up and putting yourself into a box and someone else closing an electrified door on a person's leg, resulting in detachment - these are not the same but this is the difference between Obito and Kakashi's primary usage.
Imagine in the first scenario, the guy gets covered in very heavy weights - the added density means he cannot pick himself up and put himself in the box whereas in the second scenario, those extra weights will make little difference, provided the force is enough to penetrate and let's face it, something that can detach parts of the Gedou Mazou is hardly lacking strength.
Hmm indeed very plausible. I like the fact that you specified that the juubi doesn't allow kamui to function at all due to it not being balanced out because of the missing 9+8 tails.
Maybe that is why the Juubi's Jinchuuriki has a weakness to natural energy as well, It's not complete to fully balance Ying+Yang.
Not just a plausibility. The Sharingan being a latter conclusion of the Rin'negan eventually came into existence as the Elder Son's Dōjutsu [Rin'negan lacking Yōtōn portions] suffered attenuation. It implies that the varying abilities both seen and unseen to present of the Mangekyō and Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan would have originated from his eyes -> Hagoromo's eyes -> [Kaguya ?] -> Shinju.
Think of it like this; picking yourself up and putting yourself into a box and someone else closing an electrified door on a person's leg, resulting in detachment - these are not the same but this is the difference between Obito and Kakashi's primary usage.
Imagine in the first scenario, the guy gets covered in very heavy weights - the added density means he cannot pick himself up and put himself in the box whereas in the second scenario, those extra weights will make little difference, provided the force is enough to penetrate and let's face it, something that can detach parts of the Gedou Mazou is hardly lacking strength.
your not getting it. this is the last time im going to explain it to you otherwise you can believe your fanfiction all you want.
Kakashi cannot kamui any of juubito's body parts Because Juubito cannot travel through the kamui dimension.
Kakashi needs to send the things he rips to the other dimension and that would mean he has to send juubito's body parts to the other dimension which he cannot do because like i said for the 4th time that it's not possible.
I get what your saying with kakashi's ability to rip off people's heads and hands and such but he cannot do it to juubtio because of the juubi whiten obito.
Otherwise obito would be able to phase parts of his body to avoid attacks which he stated to be futile.
Not just a plausibility. The Sharingan being a latter conclusion of the Rin'negan eventually came into existence as the Elder Son's Dōjutsu [Rin'negan lacking Yōtōn portions] suffered attenuation. It implies that the varying abilities both seen and unseen to present of the Mangekyō and Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan would have originated from his eyes -> Hagoromo's eyes -> [Kaguya ?] -> Shinju.
The Gedo is one of SO6P object. Just like when Tenten using the SO6P Fan, her chakra were almost depleted.
Madara had the Gedo put to another type of space-time, as he did said it take time to get the Gedo.
Knowing Uchiha power are too strong & powerful because of the power of the EYEs. Such as kamui, 'Itachi sent Kakashi to hell', Kabuto into coma state, etc.
Madara do had his pride, and hate that his own Uchiha Clan did not support him. That could be why he initiate someone in his clan to start the coup.
People shouldn't confuse Kishi's writing as explanations for other events.
Obito couldn't use Kamui for one reason, if he was the Juubi Jin with his Kamui he would literally be unstoppable. However we've seen that Kakashi was atleast trying to Kamui the Juubi and if Obito hadn't intervened there would be no reason to suspect that he wouldn't lol.
Just like when Kishi first used Edo Tensei and the first and second weren't that strong. It's not because Orochimaru hadn't mastered it, at the time that was just how strong they were meant to be.
your not getting it. this is the last time im going to explain it to you otherwise you can believe your fanfiction all you want.
Kakashi cannot kamui any of juubito's body parts Because Juubito cannot travel through the kamui dimension.
Kakashi needs to send the things he rips to the other dimension and that would mean he has to send juubito's body parts to the other dimension which he cannot do because like i said for the 4th time that it's not possible.
I get what your saying with kakashi's ability to rip off people's heads and hands and such but he cannot do it to juubtio because of the juubi whiten obito.
Otherwise obito would be able to phase parts of his body to avoid attacks which he stated to be futile.
I understand Kakashi is not able to simply warp Juubito, that would be ridiculous but I don't recall anything suggesting he can't warp singular body parts of him.
People shouldn't confuse Kishi's writing as explanations for other events.
Obito couldn't use Kamui for one reason, if he was the Juubi Jin with his Kamui he would literally be unstoppable. However we've seen that Kakashi was atleast trying to Kamui the Juubi and if Obito hadn't intervened there would be no reason to suspect that he wouldn't lol.
Just like when Kishi first used Edo Tensei and the first and second weren't that strong. It's not because Orochimaru hadn't mastered it, at the time that was just how strong they were meant to be.
Your post is not only incorrect, the reasoning fails entirely. Here's a suggestion: instead of speculating on events, use the material given in the manga to form a logical conclusion.
Your post is not only incorrect, the reasoning fails entirely. Here's a suggestion: instead of speculating on events, use the material given in the manga to form a logical conclusion.
When Hiruzen fought Shodaime and Nidaime did he make a comment on their strength being weakened? No. As a matter if fact I'm pretty sure he praised their strength.
More proof is the fact that this idea of Prime Hiruzen exists and mainly because of Orochimaru's statements from that fight.
See I'm not speculating, I'm actually using common sense. I know that may be hard for some people to understand but it's not too impossible to grasp.
Put yourself in Kishi's shoes for a second. As a writer with a character with an ability that makes him untouchable, and this character just got the biggest upgrade in the manga, how do you make him beatable? Obviously something would have to make him able to be hit, and because of that he came up with the fact that the Juubi won't let him phase.
You say use material, but what material are you using? A statement from Obito himself to try and say that Kakashi who is a different character cannot attack him. Then why was Obito so focused on trying to keep Kakashi away from the battlefield if the Juubi can't be warped? Answer that question and you get your answer.
Maybe the reason Obito couldn't use Kamui is because the Juubi might leak out of him if he does, since he uses some kinds of weird absorbing tech. Like how the Bijuus leaked out of Obito from that cut that NaruSasu left him with.
When Hiruzen fought Shodaime and Nidaime did he make a comment on their strength being weakened? No. As a matter if fact I'm pretty sure he praised their strength.
More proof is the fact that this idea of Prime Hiruzen exists and mainly because of Orochimaru's statements from that fight.
See I'm not speculating, I'm actually using common sense. I know that may be hard for some people to understand but it's not too impossible to grasp.
Put yourself in Kishi's shoes for a second. As a writer with a character with an ability that makes him untouchable, and this character just got the biggest upgrade in the manga, how do you make him beatable? Obviously something would have to make him able to be hit, and because of that he came up with the fact that the Juubi won't let him phase.
You say use material, but what material are you using? A statement from Obito himself to try and say that Kakashi who is a different character cannot attack him. Then why was Obito so focused on trying to keep Kakashi away from the battlefield if the Juubi can't be warped. Answer that question and you get your answer.
When Hiruzen fought Shodaime and Nidaime did he make a comment on their strength being weakened? No. As a matter if fact I'm pretty sure he praised their strength.
More proof is the fact that this idea of Prime Hiruzen exists and mainly because of Orochimaru's statements from that fight.
See I'm not speculating, I'm actually using common sense. I know that may be hard for some people to understand but it's not too impossible to grasp.
Put yourself in Kishi's shoes for a second. As a writer with a character with an ability that makes him untouchable, and this character just got the biggest upgrade in the manga, how do you make him beatable? Obviously something would have to make him able to be hit, and because of that he came up with the fact that the Juubi won't let him phase.
You say use material, but what material are you using? A statement from Obito himself to try and say that Kakashi who is a different character cannot attack him. Then why was Obito so focused on trying to keep Kakashi away from the battlefield if the Juubi can't be warped? Answer that question and you get your answer.
It seems reading comprehension has also become a task on this forum. Kabuto's version of the Edo-Tensei is an upgrade to Orochimaru's.
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Perhaps you haven't realized that regardless of what scale of power Obito obtained while hosting the Shinju that his defeat was inevitable, something I would believe the majority would have realized by observing the plot progression. It had nothing to do with making Obito exorbitantly over powered. Some currently claim that Madara fits the said category and what is also clear is that he will inevitably be triumphed as well. There is some connection with hosting the imperfect Jubi that prohibits Kamui to function, the question remains "what". A theory is formulated to answer the question by utilizing the material given thus far in the Manga and employing a logical deduction on the matter as opposed to you randomly moaning that "He would be too OP".
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Obito's Kamui and Kakashi's Kamui is the same jutsu.
It seems reading comprehension has also become a task on this forum. Kabuto's version of the Edo-Tensei is an upgrade to Orochimaru's.
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Perhaps you haven't realized that regardless of what scale of power Obito obtained while hosting the Shinju that his defeat was inevitable, something I would believe the majority would have realized by observing the plot progression. It had nothing to do with making Obito exorbitantly over powered. Some currently claim that Madara fits the said category and what is also clear is that he will inevitably be triumphed as well. There is some connection with hosting the imperfect Jubi that prohibits Kamui to function, the question remains "what". A theory is formulated to answer the question by utilizing the material given thus far in the Manga and employing a logical deduction on the matter as opposed to you randomly moaning that "He would be too OP".
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Obito's Kamui and Kakashi's Kamui is the same jutsu.
You say that reading comprehension is a task, yet you clearly didn't comprehend my first post.
I know what the manga explanation for ET is, that was not even close to the point I was making.
When ET was first introduced in 2005 or w/e Hiruzen vs Orochimaru took place, Hiruzen was hailed as the greatest Hokage right? God of Shinobi, the professor, etc etc. All Im saying is that Shodaime and Nidaime were not supposed to necessarily be the Gods that they are now at the time of that fight.
Of course Kishi could easily recognize that and explain it by saying that ET was made stronger this time it was used, but I mean it's pretty common sense to see that was just a retcon, unless you truly believe Kishi was thinking this far ahead into the future.
As far as the Obito thing, obviously good triumphs over evil. That's not the point here either, the point is from the Author's viewpoint what would he have to do that would make good win, and obviously nerfing Obito's phasing ability is what he did.
Is it not obvious? Or am I just pulling this shit out of my ass? Because clearly you are searching for an explanation in the manga that Kishi is never going to give. Obito made one statement and it was so small that I literally missed it the first time I read that chapter after Tobirama and Naruto FTG-Senjutsu Rasengan combo'd him.
But if I had to give you an explanation that you are so desperately searching for...
Kakashi and Obito have Kamui. Yes, but Obito has the passive ability to phase, which Kakashi does not have. Obito could not phase the attacks while the Juubi was in him, but what stops Kakashi from warping him and the negative space around him? Are you saying the justu simply wouldn't work? Then why did Obito have to remove Kakashi from the battlefield if the Juubi couldn't be warped?
I do not know why you would make such a vague assumption when the manga clearly states differently. Hashirama's and Tobirama's hype was always seen as an amazement. There was no retcon, the Edo-Tensei was simply upgraded.
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It was later explained that people refused to believe in Hashirama's hype/power and preferred to take it as a myth, thus leaving it all to Hiruzen. Hashirama and Tobirama were always know as The Lords / Shinobi-no-Kami even during Orochimaru's confrontation with Hiruzen. Everything else you've written is either speculation or you attempting to be Masashi:
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Because clearly you are searching for an explanation in the manga that Kishi is never going to give.
