Kakashi vs Itachi

[BlackFlame44]

What leads you to that conclusion (other than the notion that it goes against your entire premise, of course)?



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That wasn't even a teleportation jutsu
he just jumped off really fast

 

[Owarij]

What leads you to that conclusion (other than the notion that it goes against your entire premise, of course)?

You can tell by the drawing that it isn't a puff of smoke..... what happened there is the same style used to indicate explosive damage

Not at all. Smoke bombs have a distinct appearance and produce much larger cloudes. [1] [2] [3] (albeit this last one had three smoke bombs, not just one - but my point still stands for it regarding the difference appearance).

Because all smoke bombs in the naruto manga are the same?

Do you see the size and thickness of the puff of smoke that Jiraya used? Enough to cover his entire body, head to toe
Do you see the smoke Itachi used? Enough to cover his entire body

Both have the similar element in that the ninja required concealing his movements from an enemy...

Once again, in no other scan you've posted is there even CLOSE amounts of smoke as to the cases with Jiraya and Itachi.. and it is obviously indicative of movement and sudden appearance.... to back that up, the gust of wind appears on the destination end of the travel, and not the beginning

Once again, baseless claim

 

[Black Wolf]

Shunshin is not teleportation - it is extremely fast movement, by definition. The only teleportation jutsu are summoning / reverse summoning (Hiraishin) and Kamui.

 

[Strict]

I also don't believe it was a smoke bomb but Itachi who vanished and appeared above Naruto and Bee. This effect was done to surprise the both of them. So who cares? If a smoke bomb is needed, Itachi will use a smoke bomb.. it's basic Ninja tools.

 

[Black Wolf]

Do you see the size and thickness of the puff of smoke that Jiraya used? Enough to cover his entire body, head to toe
Do you see the smoke Itachi used? Enough to cover his entire body

No, because we don't actually "see" the one you are stating that Itachi used. The panel is tiny, and only the bottom corner of it is dedicated to the smoke. You cannot tell the overall thickness of the smoke plume based on that one inch. If the panel were expanded, it could be more (or less) dispersed.

Because all smoke bombs in the naruto manga are the same?

Naruto's, Sasuke's, and Jiraiya's smoke bombs all looked the same. None have the "clone poof" (your words) design that Itachi and Jiraiya's Shunshin had.

Once again, in no other scan you've posted is there even CLOSE amounts of smoke as to the cases with Jiraya and Itachi.. and it is obviously indicative of movement and sudden appearance.... to back that up, the gust of wind appears on the destination end of the travel, and not the beginning

Except, once again you are assuming Itachi's had a lot of smoke when we only see a miniscule portion of the smoke cloud. You are filling in the rest of the image in your head when in reality, it is completely possible for the smoke to be dispersed and unconcentrated.

 

[BlackFlame44]

You can tell by the drawing that it isn't a puff of smoke..... what happened there is the same style used to indicate explosive damage



Because all smoke bombs in the naruto manga are the same?

Do you see the size and thickness of the puff of smoke that Jiraya used? Enough to cover his entire body, head to toe
Do you see the smoke Itachi used? Enough to cover his entire body

Both have the similar element in that the ninja required concealing his movements from an enemy...

Once again, in no other scan you've posted is there even CLOSE amounts of smoke as to the cases with Jiraya and Itachi.. and it is obviously indicative of movement and sudden appearance.... to back that up, the gust of wind appears on the destination end of the travel, and not the beginning

Once again, baseless claim

Wouldn't a smoke bomb engulf nagato in it?
I mean if it was a smoke bomb Kishi would've drawn it

Shunshin is not teleportation - it is extremely fast movement, by definition. The only teleportation jutsu are summoning / reverse summoning (Hiraishin) and Kamui.

Teleportation is the dub/viz name

Since it looks just like teleporting

 

[Strict]

The smoke which appeared next to Nagato looked more like clones vanishing than a smoke bomb if we take a closer look at the structure of the smoke. The instant this smoke cloud was created, Nagato already warned Bee and Naruto to look above them. The smoke must've had spread pretty quickly. So I only see a form of Shunshin.

 

[Owarij]

No, because we don't actually "see" the one you are stating that Itachi used. The panel is tiny, and only the bottom corner of it is dedicated to the smoke. You cannot tell the overall thickness of the smoke plume based on that one inch. If the panel were expanded, it could be more (or less) dispersed.



Naruto's, Sasuke's, and Jiraiya's smoke bombs all looked the same. None have the "clone poof" (your words) design that Itachi and Jiraiya's Shunshin had.



Except, once again you are assuming Itachi's had a lot of smoke when we only see a miniscule portion of the smoke cloud. You are filling in the rest of the image in your head when in reality, it is completely possible for the smoke to be dispersed and unconcentrated.

Lets look at the facts then?

90% of Shunshin use in the manga do not involve puffs of smoke, gust of wind - Meaning the use of Body flicker does not require this

Your claim is that the smoke comes from the technique itself? Yes?


The 10% of shunshins that do have smoke, 100% of them have small dispersed effects at the end of their travel (Destination )

Excluding Itachi, there is only once case of Smoke used at the start of travel, And in that one case, the smoke is Much bigger, wider and less dispersed than anything seen thus far

So . To summarize, You believe the shunshin ablity.. Which is described as taking chakra and putting it into your body(legs) , to increase speed.. Has the ability to create puffs of smoke .. a puff which dimensions can be decided at the users will?

The smoke which appeared next to Nagato looked more like clones vanishing than a smoke bom

As I said earlier, the smoke was akin to that of the smoke that appears when a clone is destroyed... But the argument here is whether that smoke is created by Body flicker itself, or something the ninja does, like a smoke bomb etc..

Considering 90% of body flicker cases doesn't even involve smoke... And there is never any at the original location..

I'm lead to believe, Itachi, Like Jiraya, purposefully used smoke somehow to camoflage what they were doing..

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

3 tomoe Itachi can still use susanoo He's even done it in base form

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Summoning crows jumps in the way blocks kamui .

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Itachi in the situation of fighting killer b was running circles around the guy Itachi is extremely fast Killer b did couldn't lay 1 finger on him the whole fight hiruzen being the 3rd hokage even stated that Itachi had the mindset of a hokage since the age of 7 his intelligence is far superior to kakashi my boy itachi spanking that tail.

 

[Strict]

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And what kind of technique was used here to disappear?

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Or the swirl created here twice while disappearing?

I guess several individuals have their own way to design their disappearance.

 

[Owarij]

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And what kind of technique was used here to disappear?

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Or the swirl created here twice while disappearing?

I guess several individuals have their own way to design their disappearance.

As I said before, Ninjas use these tricks to conceal their movements when using body flicker.. which is how the different types come about .. sand body flicker, mist body flicker etc...
Logically if a ninja doesn't have one of those, he would just use smoke...

 

[BlackFlame44]

3 tomoe Itachi can still use susanoo He's even done it in base form

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He needs the mangekyou to activate susanoo

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He's never used it in battle

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Itachi in the situation of fighting killer b was running circles around the guy Itachi is extremely fast Killer b did couldn't lay 1 finger on him the whole fight

Itachi couldn't fight back either

hiruzen being the 3rd hokage even stated that Itachi had the mindset of a hokage since the age of 7 his intelligence is far superior to kakashi

Hokage mindset =/= hokage intelligence

my boy itachi spanking that tail.

Proof of bias

 

[Strict]

So Sasuke, Oro and Kabuto had some secret technique which let them burn, with no seen hand signs, seals, equipment? What makes you think Itachi took out a smoke bomb instead of letting this smoke somehow appear as a side effect of his speed?

But as for the topic... Itachi lefts smoke behind on whatever way..

 

[Owarij]

So Sasuke, Oro and Kabuto had some secret technique which let them burn, with no seen hand signs, seals, equipment? What makes you think Itachi took out a smoke bomb instead of letting this smoke somehow appear as a side effect of his speed?

But as for the topic... Itachi lefts smoke behind on whatever way..

It isn't revealed yet, it could be something summoning related.. But leaves don't appear because of speed , Fire doesn't appear because of speed, mist doesn't appear because of speed
And as Ive shown, Smoke doesn't just appear because of speed.. Otherwise Raikage A, the fastest man alive would be leaving puffs of smoke with every movement he made

 

[Strict]

That's not my point. Only, that Itachi covers his movements the same way Sasuke and Haku did on an inexplicable way but not by putting out a smoke bomb.

 

[Owarij]

That's not my point. Only, that Itachi covers his movements the same way Sasuke and Haku did on an inexplicable way but not by putting out a smoke bomb.

I conceded that it may not be a smoke bomb, but some unknown method of creating smoke a while ago.. What I am saying is w.e it is , isn't directly related to body flicker in any way

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

He needs the mangekyou to activate susanoo


He's never used it in battle

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Itachi couldn't fight back either


Hokage mindset =/= hokage intelligence

Proof of bias

Well it wasn't activated but still in use even with madara no eyes fail

Why yes he did go re-read fail

Right couldn't fight back but him with a genjutsu & fire jutsu ok fail

featless showing it block attacks fail

He was studying about his ancestors of the village who came before knowledge is power

and proof of but hurteism come again

 

[BlackFlame44]

Well it wasn't activated but still in use even with madara no eyes fail

Could be a plothole
plus Itachi isn't Madara

Why yes he did go re-read fail

He wasn't fighting sasuke

Right couldn't fight back but him with a genjutsu & fire jutsu ok fail

He broke out of the genjutsu and blocked the fire jutsu

featless showing it block attacks fail

Paper bombs <<<<<<< Kakashi

He was studying about his ancestors of the village who came before knowledge is power

Good for him I guess

and proof of but hurteism come again

Not a real ism

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Could be a plothole
plus Itachi isn't Madara


He wasn't fighting sasuke

He broke out of the genjutsu and blocked the fire jutsu

Paper bombs <<<<<<< Kakashi

Good for him I guess

Not a real ism

Could be a plothole but happened for two characthers your right lol

2nd re-read itachi fights you'll see

yata-mirrow has features get salty lol

gohl

yup an gohl

 

[BlackFlame44]

Could be a plothole but happened for two characthers your right lol

Only Madara activated susanoo without mangekyoy

2nd re-read itachi fights you'll see

Bring me scans

yata-mirrow has features get salty lol

Yes blocking paper bombs