You are wrong if you say that powerful battles have no strategy or aren't ninja like.

[chaos control]

Even DBZ has strategy. How else did Cell and Buu transform? It wasn't raw power.

'Exactly! Thank you for being able to pay attention and see strategy unlike many of these other people.

 

[chaos control]

Reply to this thread people! I want more rebuttals or agreements to my argument. There are too many people who think differently about this issue than I do for nobody to try to debate.

 

[Untamed]

Ninja's are supposed to be stealthy, but here we go like BOOM muthaf*cker! have my chakra bomb! now I'm gonna talk the sh*t outta you! yoo hoo over here I'm a ninja! :vincent: gotta be more sneaky sneaky.

I agree with the battles still having strategy , but she's right ^ Ninja's are supposed to be stealthy and deceptive more than they are in this war especially. Now they are noisier than ever and the main character, Naruto, is glowing so you cant miss him. Lol They also have talk it out battles a lot .

Even DBZ has strategy. How else did Cell and Buu transform? It wasn't raw power.

Cell and Buu transforming was done with poor presentation though

Spoiler

[video=youtube;5gF0jAMeJAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gF0jAMeJAQ[/video]

I love DB , but this strategy could have been done better Lol Gohan was just watching the whole thing and didn't try to stop it from happening. & with the android 18 absorption , Krillin decided to scream as loud as he could , letting Cell know exactly where Android 18 was and he absorbed her right in front of them.
This was the best strategy in DB in my opinion and it was strategic, stealthy and deceptive.

Spoiler

Although it was a bit noisy. Lol

strategies in shippuden Sasuke vs Danzo. There were some more , but I just don't feel like mentioning them Lol

 

[~Sky~]

I don't have a problem with it.

Kishi simply should've avoided naming his characters, "ninja's." Warrior's or soldiers would have been more fitting.

 

[chaos control]

I don't have a problem with it.

Kishi simply should've avoided naming his characters, "ninja's." Warrior's or soldiers would have been more fitting.

Thank you! I can respect that. People go by the literal definition of real world ninjas too much. Since when do Shounen mangas stick to the real world job descriptions of their characters' occupations? Also, they say that part 1 was ninja like. Last time I checked though, real ninjas don't make 1000 clones of themselves instantly and fight enormous tanukis while cooperating with giant talking toads. Is that what they call ninja like?

 

[awesomeseimei]

Eh, I just don't like seeing battles that involve attacks/structures/monsters that are so huge you can barely see the ones who are fighting, I tend to have a problem grasping what's going on :| Plus I keep thinking of which consequences would all those explosions and meteor dropping have on their small world in terms of ecosystem. I mean, they would eventually go into a state of nuclear winter at this rate.

I don't actually mind huge epic stuff, but does it really have to be this huge? We can have awesome badass powerful attacks on a much smaller scale. The one thing I like more than huge stuff is neat stuff.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Well, Sasuke started off the mange with a fire ball that could make a very small hole in the ground, then now he has mountain busting susanoo, a ability to destory a mountain with Kirin, giant snakes, amaterasu spam, genjustu spam, and whatever else he will pull out of his ass. XD

Naruto couldn't even do a proper shadow clone in the beginning and literally trips on his feet. Now, Naruto is able to blow up mountains with ease and shit like that.

Then compare them to Shino, who's only major upgrade was bigger bugs.

 

[chaos control]

Well, Sasuke started off the mange with a fire ball that could make a very small hole in the ground, then now he has mountain busting susanoo, a ability to destory a mountain with Kirin, giant snakes, amaterasu spam, genjustu spam, and whatever else he will pull out of his ass. XD

Naruto couldn't even do a proper shadow clone in the beginning and literally trips on his feet. Now, Naruto is able to blow up mountains with ease and shit like that.

Then compare them to Shino, who's only major upgrade was bigger bugs.

That just means that Shino didn't train hard enough or smart enough. Don't even bring up the fact that Naruto had Kurama and Sasuke has sharingan because they also both have chakara nature (unlike Shino). Sasuke is very skilled with his lightning style. It even helped him beat Deidara, Orochimaru and Itachi. Naruto has sage mode and collaboration jutsus with his summons that he trained for. Therefore Naruto and Sasuke did legitimately get stronger by training. Therefore, Shino has no room to complain. He just needs to train more and seek out a better sensei like Naruto and Sasuke did with their respective sanin.

 

[chaos control]

Keep on responding guys. I know there are more dissenters out there.

 

[chaos control]

I'm still waiting for more replies. Come at me with debate all dissenters. Either rebut my logic or indicate that you accept it.

 

[HiddenSound]

I'm still waiting for more replies. Come at me with debate all dissenters. Either rebut my logic or indicate that you accept it.

You can't force people to reply. Threads die.

 

[Thundercles]

Reply to this thread people! I want more rebuttals or agreements to my argument. There are too many people who think differently about this issue than I do for nobody to try to debate.

Don't beg for replies.
HiddenSound is correct. The show isn't very "ninja like". And to make the argument: "They do use strategy and that is why it is ninja-like. Because ninjas use strategy!!" Well that is silly. Coaches use strategy to win games, does that make them ninja? No. Stealth, assassinations make ninja. Not transforming into a f'ing megazord or having OP ghost armor.

 

[-Spoiler-]

the damas, lasers,meteors, chakra humanoids is getting out of hand and everyone can admit that. the manga is still enjoyable but its not what it use to be.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Real ninjas kill pepole.
Not talk them into submission.
The only real ninja in this show are kakashi and le sauce.
When it comes to their opponents no fcks are given.

Give naruto a good backstory and all of a sudden you're no longer his enemy.

 

[FearxDeath]

I like the way you post.

Very Skip Bayless like. You take peoples opinions, misconstrue them and then falsify them into making it seem like they have no idea what they are talking about.

HA I love the Skip reference, not sure if anyone else gets it though. Kudo's!

 

[FearxDeath]

Im not going to lie, I didnt even read through that wall of text. If you didnt even take the time out to make your wall of text readable then why in the world would I believe you took the time to put thought into the thread.

 

[Vegeto30294]

Cell and Buu transforming was done with poor presentation though

Spoiler

[video=youtube;5gF0jAMeJAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gF0jAMeJAQ[/video]

I love DB , but this strategy could have been done better Lol Gohan was just watching the whole thing and didn't try to stop it from happening. & with the android 18 absorption , Krillin decided to scream as loud as he could , letting Cell know exactly where Android 18 was and he absorbed her right in front of them.
This was the best strategy in DB in my opinion and it was strategic, stealthy and deceptive.

Spoiler

Although it was a bit noisy. Lol

Think about Cell's first transformation though. He managed to blind and escape from Piccolo, Tien, and Cell, absorb a whole city, and go after a weakened Piccolo & 17.

Also not Buu absorbing Gotenks (Gohan was useless then) But more like how Super Buu made that whole plan from the beginning, and making sure he had a plan to get Gohan and Vegito.

 

[Europa]

The series is vastly different now. Nearly all techniques are useless unless they're super fast or have an incredible blast radius.

I miss the days of the kunai.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

I don't understand what point you're trying to prove. Yes, Naruto has some strategy to the fights, so what?

If you're trying to prove that the show is still "ninja" like, it's not. The main character produces huge bombs that can destroy cities and talks people into submission.

 

[chaos control]

I don't understand what point you're trying to prove. Yes, Naruto has some strategy to the fights, so what?

If you're trying to prove that the show is still "ninja" like, it's not. The main character produces huge bombs that can destroy cities and talks people into submission.

Since when is a fictional shounen manga required to go by the real life job descriptions of their characters? Seriously, what other battle mangas go by real life job descriptions? Do real pirates eat devil fruits and fight with stretchy powers (One piece)? Do real mafia people go around making black holes and shooting fire (Katekyo Hitman Reborn)? Do real chefs go around shooting blue energy beams (Toriko)? No, no and no! Therefore I don't know why you people are determined to bring real life into this when Naruto is clearly a fictional ninja! Also, people think part 1 was so ninja like. Let me ask you this. Since when do real ninjas go around fighting giant tanukis while collaborating with giant talking toads? Since when do real ninjas summon giant toads, snakes and slugs to have a 2 on 1 face off? Is that what you people call stealthy and ninja like? You people should have known that this show wasn't going to use the traditional definition of ninja from the first manga when Naruto first used shadow clone jutsu and made at least 100 or so clones against Mizuki. Real ninjas don't do that. Better yet, you should have known that the show wasn't going to be some weak spy kids like trash when you first heard the words "12 years ago, the nine tailed fox appeared". That sentence alone should have told you that this manga was going to be power based. Real ninjas don't fight and seal monster foxes. By your standards, this show was never "ninja like" to begin with. Therefore your argument that it is not ninja like is invalid because the show was never intended to go by the standard definition of ninja.

The series is vastly different now. Nearly all techniques are useless unless they're super fast or have an incredible blast radius.

I miss the days of the kunai.

Clearly jutsus like Rinbo hengoku, shinra tensei, chakara chains, Kamui, sealing jutsu 9 phantom dragons and wood style are quite effective. They are not all super fast or explosive. Furthermore, they have great effects (like putting people to sleep, absorbing chakara, ripping out souls, manipulating gravity, etc...). They are not just explosions.

Real ninjas kill pepole.
Not talk them into submission.
The only real ninja in this show are kakashi and le sauce.
When it comes to their opponents no fcks are given.

Give naruto a good backstory and all of a sudden you're no longer his enemy.

There is also Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Ay, Onoki, Akautski members, Jiraiya, etc... who have also killed people before or at least gone for the kill. Also, you people overestimate how many times Naruto has used tnj. It has only been twice (for Nagato and Obito). 3 times if you count Sasuke, and he failed with that.