[VS] Kakashi vs Tsunade and sakura

[MuerteMiAmigo]

watch the tsunade and sakura fans are gonna be like "he cant use a clone to get intel cause they will punch the ground and find him while he uses his mole jutsu"
kakashi wins one v one or one v two it doesnt matter....i would think in any scenario he would save his kamui for tsunade and then just deal with sakura...he has dogs chidori and sharringen that tip the scales towards him

 

[Bantos]

watch the tsunade and sakura fans are gonna be like "he cant use a clone to get intel cause they will punch the ground and find him while he uses his mole jutsu"
kakashi wins one v one or one v two it doesnt matter....i would think in any scenario he would save his kamui for tsunade and then just deal with sakura...he has dogs chidori and sharringen that tip the scales towards him

Without kamui Kakashi loses to Tsunade.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

P1 Kabuto able to easily dodge Tsunade with no dojutsu. 3T Kakashi rofl stomps this.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

Without kamui Kakashi loses to Tsunade.

well here is the thing...your a tsunade fanboy...so i dont know that im gonna debate with you at all
kakashi beats tsunade with or without kamui with or without MS...

 

[TheEvilOne]

P1 Kabuto able to easily dodge Tsunade with no dojutsu. 3T Kakashi rofl stomps this.

This isn't part1 Tsunade. Just saying.

 

[Bantos]

well here is the thing...your a tsunade fanboy...so i dont know that im gonna debate with you at all
kakashi beats tsunade with or without kamui with or without MS...

Without MS Kakashi is clearly outclassed by her. That was a fact even in part 1, when the retired Tsunade shamed a ninja who in fact was on Kakashi's level.
Tsunade in part 2 is way stronger than she was in part 1.

Kakashi without MS gets beaten by Tsunade.

Of course you don't have to debate with me but that just means that you gave up and clearly believe that Tsunade would prove victorious as well.

 

[garas56]

Without MS Kakashi is clearly outclassed by her. That was a fact even in part 1, when the retired Tsunade shamed a ninja who in fact was on Kakashi's level.
Tsunade in part 2 is way stronger than she was in part 1.

Kakashi without MS gets beaten by Tsunade.

Of course you don't have to debate with me but that just means that you gave up and clearly believe that Tsunade would prove victorious as well.

(3 tome sharingun)kakashi stomps Hard diff Sakura gets stomped by Chidori in the hiden mist and Tsunade Gets raped by Kakashis inteligence feats.

 

[Bantos]

(3 tome sharingun)kakashi stomps Hard diff Sakura gets stomped by Chidori in the hiden mist and Tsunade Gets raped by Kakashis inteligence feats.

I'm not even including Sakura. Tsunade beats Kakashi. Tsunade is pretty damn intelligent you know, she is not overshadowed by Kakashi in that department.

Tsunade has enough in her arsenal to counter everything in three tomoe Kakashi's arsenal.
Also Kakashi's stamina sucks when compared to Tsunade. Tsunade has Katsuyu, Tsunade can immobilize with a touch. Tsunade can simply kill with a touch.
This is not a contest.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

This isn't part1 Tsunade. Just saying.

She didn't improve her movements, she improved her power.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

Without MS Kakashi is clearly outclassed by her. That was a fact even in part 1, when the retired Tsunade shamed a ninja who in fact was on Kakashi's level.
Tsunade in part 2 is way stronger than she was in part 1.

Kakashi without MS gets beaten by Tsunade.

Of course you don't have to debate with me but that just means that you gave up and clearly believe that Tsunade would prove victorious as well.

i may not remember it correctly but tsunade didnt shame kabuto....if shes as strong as you say she shouldve beaten him a lot worse....kakashi summons dogs they hold tsunade down and then he kills her if she summons slug he hits it with ms
unless she can shoot her chakra out like a big blast (im not denying that maybe she can idk) shes not gonna shake the dogs off her....shes doesnt have super strength she just makes her chakra 'explode' on impact and if they were in a CQC situation kakashi's speed and eye are enough for him not to get hit
and also i dont know if im the only one that noticed this but there is no reason for us to believe tsunade got stronger from part 1 to part 2....we never saw her fight in part 1 after her fight with kabuto and oro...im just saying (dont take that the wrong way that means she was prob one of the strongest characters in part1...ill admit part 1 tsunade > kakashi due to his lack of chakra reserves)

 

[Bantos]

She didn't improve her movements, she improved her power.

Her speed and reaction feats got a lot better in part 2. And her stamina too. Plus she now has a jutsu that makes her almost immortal.

 

[Bantos]

i may not remember it correctly but tsunade didnt shame kabuto....if shes as strong as you say she shouldve beaten him a lot worse....kakashi summons dogs they hold tsunade down and then he kills her if she summons slug he hits it with ms
Kabuto HAD to resort on her hemophobia, he would have been killed otherwise.
You seriously believe that DOGS will keep Tsunade in one place? : D Even in part 1 she was lifting giant swords and causing fissures with her fingers. Her strength is way too great for the dogs. They're like flies to her.
unless she can shoot her chakra out like a big blast (im not denying that maybe she can idk) shes not gonna shake the dogs off her....shes doesnt have super strength she just makes her chakra 'explode' on impact and if they were in a CQC situation kakashi's speed and eye are enough for him not to get hit
This here is a misconception. Tsunade does possess superhuman strength in her muscles. When Kabuto cut her MUSCLES she was unable to use her strength. Thus we can see that her strength is mostly based on he muscle power, not chakra.
and also i dont know if im the only one that noticed this but there is no reason for us to believe tsunade got stronger from part 1 to part 2....we never saw her fight in part 1 after her fight with kabuto and oro...im just saying (dont take that the wrong way that means she was prob one of the strongest characters in part1...ill admit part 1 tsunade > kakashi due to his lack of chakra reserves)
In part 2 Tsunade has clearly improved in speed. Even her reaction speed seems a lot better seen in the fight against Madara. Also her stamina seems a lot better.

I have countered your claims in the quote portion in bold text.

And the part 1 Tsunade has been retired from the ninja life for 20 years. I doubt she trained and honed her fighting skills during that time, concentrating mostly on drinking and gambling.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

I have countered your claims in the quote portion in bold text.

And the part 1 Tsunade has been retired from the ninja life for 20 years. I doubt she trained and honed her fighting skills during that time, concentrating mostly on drinking and gambling.

you got me with the strength feat...im a working man its not above me to admit when im wrong

about the strenght i still believe kakashi would beat her in general

 

[Bantos]

you got me with the strength feat...im a working man its not above me to admit when im wrong

about the strenght i still believe kakashi would beat her in general

Kakashi is faster, but enough that it would matter that much in a 1 vs 1 battle.
Tsunade actually has higher level ninjutsu in her arsenal. Well, Kakashi does have raikiri which is an S-rank technique just like sozo saisei, but Tsunade has a healing great enough to get hit by raikiri plenty of times.

I seriously just don't see a way for Kakashi beating Tsunade if he has his kamui restricted.

 

[TheEvilOne]

She didn't improve her movements, she improved her power.

Was she able to coordinate an attack in part1 with someone as fast as Ay? No. So her speed has improved.

 

[Strict]

Was she able to coordinate an attack in part1 with someone as fast as Ay? No. So her speed has improved.

Don't be blinded by the illustration of certain scenarios. Tsunade never displayed a great speed within combat, her opponents never mentioned her notable speed either. The latest Databook, which is about part 2, gives her a stat of 3,5. Not without reason. Yeah, she also appeared synchronous with Ay before Naruto and Bee and could run properly despite being drunken.. you know all this is BS. At a distance of 50 meters at most and Byakugo active, Tsunade needed 15-20 seconds to reach Madara in attack mode. Tazzilla thought it was blitzing but in fact skipped over their whole dialog.

Off panel acrobatics don't matter. If you don't aware how little Kishimoto cares about details within scenarios, you're naive. Feats are only what is truly portrayed as those.

 

[Bantos]

Don't be blinded by the illustration of certain scenarios. Tsunade never displayed a great speed within combat, her opponents never mentioned her notable speed either. The latest Databook, which is about part 2, gives her a stat of 3,5. Not without reason. Yeah, she also appeared synchronous with Ay before Naruto and Bee and could run properly despite being drunken.. you know all this is BS. At a distance of 50 meters at most and Byakugo active, Tsunade needed 15-20 seconds to reach Madara in attack mode. Tazzilla thought it was blitzing but in fact skipped over their whole dialog.

Off panel acrobatics don't matter. If you don't aware how little Kishimoto cares about details within scenarios, you're naive. Feats are only what is truly portrayed as those.

Didn't Madara compare her speed and strength to A? Oh yeah, he did.
Being even mentioned in comparison with the fastest man alive is a real praise.

 

[Strict]

Didn't Madara compare her speed and strength to A? Oh yeah, he did.
Being even mentioned in comparison with the fastest man alive is a real praise.

Dat guy who likes to twist somebodies words. Tsunade is stronger than Ay, so Madara said that that her lack of speed is balanced with her strength. With no word a character ever referred to Tsunade's speed as fast.

 

[Black Wolf]

Without MS Kakashi is clearly outclassed by her.

Not at all.

Kakashi is noticeably faster, and with the added benefit of the Sharingan, landing a hit on him with her linear fighting style is an impossibility. He has the ability to run circles around her, and with his tactical usage of Bunshin and Doton feints, Kakashi can easily create an opening to land a lethal headshot on her.

This is not taking into account Genjutsu prowess capable of keeping up with an Uchiha who was controlling perfect Jinchuuriki and casually controlling the strongest tailed beast while fighting a Hokage at age 14/15. This also does not take into account supporting jutsu, such as Suitons to push her around with and ranged Raitons such as Raikiri Wolf.

He outclasses her in every single relevant department barring physical strength. Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, speed, fighting finesse, and in-battle tactics are all Kakashi's by a longshot.

That was a fact even in part 1, when the retired Tsunade shamed a ninja who in fact was on Kakashi's level.
Tsunade in part 2 is way stronger than she was in part 1.

Tsunade never "shamed" Kabuto - it was the other way around. She only managed to land a hit on Kabuto when he literally closed his eyes and underestimated her. That isn't shaming - its taking advantage of an overconfident opponent, which speaks nothing for Tsunade's prowess. Before that, Kabuto had her heaving on the ground, and could have easily finished her off if he didn't need to keep her alive for Orochimaru.

Kabuto was stated to be equal to a rusty Kakashi. After the hospital incident, Kakashi began training (as seen when rock climbing). So basically, Part 2 Kakashi > Part 1 Kakashi > rusty Part 1 Kakashi = Kabuto. Not to mention that none of Kabuto's feats put him on rusty Kakashi's level - Kabuto did in fact run away from Kakashi, not the other way around.

 

[Bantos]

Not at all.

Kakashi is noticeably faster, and with the added benefit of the Sharingan, landing a hit on him with her linear fighting style is an impossibility. He has the ability to run circles around her, and with his tactical usage of Bunshin and Doton feints, Kakashi can easily create an opening to land a lethal headshot on her.

This is not taking into account Genjutsu prowess capable of keeping up with an Uchiha who was controlling perfect Jinchuuriki and casually controlling the strongest tailed beast while fighting a Hokage at age 14/15. This also does not take into account supporting jutsu, such as Suitons to push her around with and ranged Raitons such as Raikiri Wolf.

He outclasses her in every single relevant department barring physical strength. Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, speed, fighting finesse, and in-battle tactics are all Kakashi's by a longshot.



Tsunade never "shamed" Kabuto - it was the other way around. She only managed to land a hit on Kabuto when he literally closed his eyes and underestimated her. That isn't shaming - its taking advantage of an overconfident opponent, which speaks nothing for Tsunade's prowess. Before that, Kabuto had her heaving on the ground, and could have easily finished her off if he didn't need to keep her alive for Orochimaru.

Kabuto was stated to be equal to a rusty Kakashi. After the hospital incident, Kakashi began training (as seen when rock climbing). So basically, Part 2 Kakashi > Part 1 Kakashi > rusty Part 1 Kakashi = Kabuto. Not to mention that none of Kabuto's feats put him on rusty Kakashi's level - Kabuto did in fact run away from Kakashi, not the other way around.

Your first wall of text is such underestimation of Tsunade that I'm not even going to read the second one. Have a nice day.