A biju has been extracted instantly before

[Floydical]

After this chapter came out, I was in denial that Naruto lost the Kyuubi. I didn't believe that Madara was able to instantly extract him without effort. To put it simply, it broke all the rules that Kishi established regarding Biju extraction. However, after thinking about the possibility, I realized that a biju has been extracted instantly before and I completely forgot about it.

Namely, Kushina and the Kyuubi.

Obito literally extracted the Kyuubi from her instantly. Yes her seal was weakened by childbirth, but it still broke the logic of our common knowledge of Biju extraction. So Obito essentially manually freed Kurama from his seal and let him loose.... again all instantly. So despite the fact that the birth weakened her seal, it is still astonishing that Obito was able to extract Kurama instantly. Its basically a component of the story that I have never questioned before until now.

Following this line of logic, I can safely say that Madara's instant extraction of the Kyuubi is actually well within the logic of Kishi's story, having direct evidence based in the manga. Madara is far stronger than Obito was then and must have taught him the process he used to extract the Kyuubi. This essentially means that Madara could be considered more proficient at the task and therefore its logical that he'd be able to accomplish this task on a normal Jinchuurinki, not relying on one that had their seal recently weakened. The fact that Madara used the special chains of the Gedo to aid him in the extraction means he is experienced in this field.

Essentially this proves to me that the method the Akatsuki used to extract the Biju is not the only possible way. Its actually the most inefficient way possible. It was only done like that because no one was powerful enough to do it themselves. Obviously none of the akatsuki teams had jutsu available to them on par with Madara, so the only way for them to help in the collection process was to half kill the Jin. While Obito was capable of instantly extracting a weakened Jin/Biju, only Madara is capable of instantly extracting a healthy Jin/Biju.

Thoughts, comments, concerns? Did it ever once cross your mind that Kushina's case is actually very similar to how Madara just extracted the Kyuubi? Does this provide you with proof that among all Kishi's recent ass-pulls that this might no longer be one of them? Thanks for reading.

 

[Six Paths]

Well Kushinas seal was weakened and Obito didn't need to struggle that much not to mention that the Kyuubi wanted to leave Kushina in first place.
Madara's way was the fastest and most efficient though it didn't cost a lot of chakra it was quick and painless despite the jinchuriki being healthy and the Bijuu struggling too

 

[Mr Hiru]

Also, I have to add a little information that concerns your topic. This would be way harder if Madara weren't alive.

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[Sir Blades]

Not really instantly, it took a sealing undoing in order to do that, and then a couple of seconds for Kurama to materialize and come out of Kushina. Naruto on the other hand already had all the chakra of Kurama out and about its literally already THERE,and all it took was a simple yank of the chain. So naruto's extraction is an instant one, Kushina's was not.

 

[scorezor]

After this chapter came out, I was in denial that Naruto lost the Kyuubi. I didn't believe that Madara was able to instantly extract him without effort. To put it simply, it broke all the rules that Kishi established regarding Biju extraction. However, after thinking about the possibility, I realized that a biju has been extracted instantly before and I completely forgot about it.

Namely, Kushina and the Kyuubi.

Obito literally extracted the Kyuubi from her instantly. Yes her seal was weakened by childbirth, but it still broke the logic of our common knowledge of Biju extraction. So Obito essentially manually freed Kurama from his seal and let him loose.... again all instantly. So despite the fact that the birth weakened her seal, it is still astonishing that Obito was able to extract Kurama instantly. Its basically a component of the story that I have never questioned before until now.

Following this line of logic, I can safely say that Madara's instant extraction of the Kyuubi is actually well within the logic of Kishi's story, having direct evidence based in the manga. Madara is far stronger than Obito was then and must have taught him the process he used to extract the Kyuubi. This essentially means that Madara could be considered more proficient at the task and therefore its logical that he'd be able to accomplish this task on a normal Jinchuurinki, not relying on one that had their seal recently weakened. The fact that Madara used the special chains of the Gedo to aid him in the extraction means he is experienced in this field.

Essentially this proves to me that the method the Akatsuki used to extract the Biju is not the only possible way. Its actually the most inefficient way possible. It was only done like that because no one was powerful enough to do it themselves. Obviously none of the akatsuki teams had jutsu available to them on par with Madara, so the only way for them to help in the collection process was to half kill the Jin. While Obito was capable of instantly extracting a weakened Jin/Biju, only Madara is capable of instantly extracting a healthy Jin/Biju.

Thoughts, comments, concerns? Did it ever once cross your mind that Kushina's case is actually very similar to how Madara just extracted the Kyuubi? Does this provide you with proof that among all Kishi's recent ass-pulls that this might no longer be one of them? Thanks for reading.

ok , stopped reading.

 

[Floydical]

@sixpaths, yes I pointed out that she was weakened in the OP but the difference was that Obito actually brought forth the chakra while Madara simply had to pull it from Naruto since it was already out. Either way, Madara clearly schooled Obito on the process and one could safely assume that the teacher was greater than the student in this case (at least young Madara).

@Hirudora, that is true, the fact that he had such an established connection with the Kyuubi this whole time proves he has great control in that respect.

@Sir Blades, I was comparing it to the duration required by the Akatsuki team during their extraction ceremonies. In both cases, these are considered instant compared to that. And don't forget that Madara was struggling with Naruto for the entire course of the chapter over the chakra, so by your standard his was not instant either. I still feel that both were actually quite comparable.

 

[ssjsage]

The reason the other jins took so long was because they where doing the sealing process at the same time as the extraction. That's my guess anyway. Plus they were doing it remotely, the rinnegan user wasn't directly there

 

[naruttebayo]

it's all matter of chakra you know

the amount of chakra madara posses (now that he have SM) is what making things easier

if you remember chiyo's explanation they (akastsuki) needed people to balance out the chakra it was not an easy task .

another thing is

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when when he decided to go bijju mode.

 

[Draxus]

Not really instantly, it took a sealing undoing in order to do that, and then a couple of seconds for Kurama to materialize and come out of Kushina. Naruto on the other hand already had all the chakra of Kurama out and about its literally already THERE,and all it took was a simple yank of the chain. So naruto's extraction is an instant one, Kushina's was not.

I think he's got it right. Naruto even mentioned he wanted to end BM so that it would prevent Kurama from being taken

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