Gaara's sand arms!

[KidGamer65]

um.yea,that was what i was saying,the seal wasnt completed,if it was madara would be trapped there,he broke out from the part of the pyramid where the seal wasnt completed. The pyramid itself was just to encase him inside. They also used it on madara,not quite the same as madara in his susanoo.

Then why bother telling me he only broke it because of the seal not being completed when I stated its strong enough to rip through a Bijuu sized sand pyramid? The seal has no effect on the sand's strength, and it on its own got ripped apart by V3 Susanoo's blade.

Them using it on Madara or his Susanoo doesn't matter.

1. I simply said its strong enough to rip through it, which it did do.

2. If they used it on Susanoo, it would have ripped right through it

Didnt you agree that sasuke's v3 was so big because of the kyubi's chakra?,if so then you are trying to say that sasuke's base v3 is above madatra's senjutsu v3?

1. I changed my mind.

2. Never said that it was, I never even mentioned his V3.

So your gonna also ignore the fact that madara's susanoo was senjutsu empowered?,right.

Nope, I clearly mentioned the fact it was powered by Senjutsu, though Sasuke has V4 and PS, both far above a V3 whether its powered by Senjutsu or not.

 

[genii96]

Then why bother telling me he only broke it because of the seal not being completed when I stated its strong enough to rip through a Bijuu sized sand pyramid? The seal has no effect on the sand's strength, and it on its own got ripped apart by V3 Susanoo's blade.

Them using it on Madara or his Susanoo doesn't matter.

1. I simply said its strong enough to rip through it, which it did do.

2. If they used it on Susanoo, it would have ripped right through it



1. I changed my mind.

2. Never said that it was, I never even mentioned his V3.




Nope, I clearly mentioned the fact it was powered by Senjutsu, though Sasuke has V4 and PS, both far above a V3 whether its powered by Senjutsu or not.

he escaped because the seal wasnt completed. If the seal was complete,he would have been stuck there. Without the seals then madara would have escaped,which he did. The seals are what keep the victim trapped inside the pyramid.

If madara started with susanoo,then they would have restrained the susanoo first before sealing madara and shukaku would have made a bigger one.

So you are saying sasuke's power wasnt affected by naruto's chakra or juugo's cursed seal?

I agreed that if sasuke's V4 or PS was as strong as you say without any extra boost,then he wins. My only problem is the fact that you people say sasuke win so easily as if gaara wont put up a fight at all,and your proof is a madara feat.

 

[Naruto.]

All hail Lord Gaara!

I personally liked it that Kishi gave him and Shukaku some development last chapter.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

he escaped because the seal wasnt completed. If the seal was complete,he would have been stuck there. Without the seals then madara would have escaped,which he did. The seals are what keep the victim trapped inside the pyramid.

If madara started with susanoo,then they would have restrained the susanoo first before sealing madara and shukaku would have made a bigger one.

So you are saying sasuke's power wasnt affected by naruto's chakra or juugo's cursed seal?

I agreed that if sasuke's V4 or PS was as strong as you say without any extra boost,then he wins. My only problem is the fact that you people say sasuke win so easily as if gaara wont put up a fight at all,and your proof is a madara feat.

Keep up the good job Genii.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Good point. I'm fed up with those sasutards.

 

[-Sky-]

It's a nice feat .

 

[Tera Path]

Mokuton hands still stronger though AHAHAHAHAHAHA =D

OT: Yes man, hes definitely getting top 10 material soon.

Gaara isn't top 10 at all.
Maybe top 15.
Top 20 looks more plausible for me.

 

[Optimistic]

Gaara isn't top 10 at all.
Maybe top 15.
Top 20 looks more plausible for me.

Where would you place Tobirama?

 

[Champ]

You try to tell the truth but the hate you have for gaara steps in and ruins everything, just agree that Gaara will own sasuke any day even if sasuke should beat gaara it would be very high diff and sasuke will be a vegetable after the fight and then give up being a ninja.

How does this thread involve Sasuke? Sasuke would own Gaara low diff

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

How does this thread involve Sasuke? Sasuke would own Gaara low diff

And you just told me that you only speak the truth, that jinchuriki was right, the mouth says opposite of what is in the heart.

 

[ANONNEWBIE]

I was under impression those chains binding bijuus were non-material made up of chakra...looks like i was wrong!!

 

[Tera Path]

Where would you place Tobirama?

Probably top 15 due to FTG, but weaker Edo Tensei.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

I was under impression those chains binding bijuus were non-material made up of chakra...looks like i was wrong!!

It is chakra that manifests itself into physical form, at least from my perspective.

 

[KidGamer65]

he escaped because the seal wasnt completed. If the seal was complete,he would have been stuck there. Without the seals then madara would have escaped,which he did. The seals are what keep the victim trapped inside the pyramid.

Completely irrelevant to my post. He was strong enough to rip open a Bijuu sized Sand Pyramid, that is my whole point. The seals aren't the only thing that keep the victim trapped, if the sand itself is too strong for the victim to break free from then he'll be immobilized so he can be sealed comfortably.

If madara started with susanoo,then they would have restrained the susanoo first before sealing madara and shukaku would have made a bigger one.

We aren't talking about a bigger one so don't bring a bigger one into this discussion.

So you are saying sasuke's power wasnt affected by naruto's chakra or juugo's cursed seal?

Jugo's Senjutsu increased its power, but I'm talking about before that.

-Sasuke told Naruto he can keep up with him and shows us in 647 that he can keep up.

-Sasuke asked Naruto if that's all he's got when he called his Susanoo and chopped down that branch.

Those aren't the words of a guy who used Naruto's chakra to form his Susanoo, add that with the fact that we've seen Susanoo of that size before, meaning its not an impossibility. Its probable that he made that Susanoo on his own.

I agreed that if sasuke's V4 or PS was as strong as you say without any extra boost,then he wins. My only problem is the fact that you people say sasuke win so easily as if gaara wont put up a fight at all,and your proof is a madara feat.

My proof is a Madara feat that Sasuke can top since he has Susanoo that are more powerful than a V3, which are V4 and PS. Can PS or a V4 top what a weaker Susanoo did? Obviously.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Kidgamer, when will you admit that the pyramid was only meant to capture a human not susano?

 

[genii96]

Completely irrelevant to my post. He was strong enough to rip open a Bijuu sized Sand Pyramid, that is my whole point. The seals aren't the only thing that keep the victim trapped, if the sand itself is too strong for the victim to break free from then he'll be immobilized so he can be sealed comfortably.


We aren't talking about a bigger one so don't bring a bigger one into this discussion.


Jugo's Senjutsu increased its power, but I'm talking about before that.

-Sasuke told Naruto he can keep up with him and shows us in 647 that he can keep up.

-Sasuke asked Naruto if that's all he's got when he called his Susanoo and chopped down that branch.

Those aren't the words of a guy who used Naruto's chakra to form his Susanoo, add that with the fact that we've seen Susanoo of that size before, meaning its not an impossibility. Its probable that he made that Susanoo on his own.



My proof is a Madara feat that Sasuke can top since he has Susanoo that are more powerful than a V3, which are V4 and PS. Can PS or a V4 top what a weaker Susanoo did? Obviously.

the seals keep the victim there,the sand just holds the target until te seal is complete and acts as a medium. They made it to contain a human madara,which it did,not a v3 susanoo. The point you are trying to make is that susanoo was strong enough to bust out of a pyramid meant for a human,that is true,but that dosent add any feat to the susanoo. It's like giving tsunade credit for busting out of a cell meant for konohamaru.

You are the one who claimed the susanoo would bust out of a pyramid had madara started off with it,which i refuted.


Sasuke claimed he could keep up with human form BM naruto,when naruto went full Bm,he was surprised,

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naruto went BSM,he was clearly not able to keep up and was pissed,

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If he could make a susanoo the same size as naruto's,with just v3,then add v4 and PS,he wouldnt be like that,not even close. So no,he couldnt keep up with naruto at that point.

If you agree that juugo's cursed seal increased sasuke's susanoo power then denying that naruto's chakra didnt boost him is just baseless. Also since you agree that juug's senjutsu chakra boosted his power,then that means you agree that sasuke's susanoo is naturally weaker than it showed by a good amount,seeing how senjutsu boosts one's abilities.

I am not taling about a v3 susanoo of madara,i am talking about his PS which you people claim to be the same as sasuke's. Being stronger than madara's v3 isnt anything,seeing as gaara blocked 5 v3 susanoo swords and a senjutsu enhanced v3 sword with very little sand shields an only got knocked down. The reason you people claim sasuke wins so easily is because you believe his PS is the same as madara's,which is completely assumption and baseless. Seeing as madara far outweighs sasuke in power and his susanoo should do the same.

 

[Champ]

And you just told me that you only speak the truth, that jinchuriki was right, the mouth says opposite of what is in the heart.

You jus said Sasuke beats Gaara. You only mad I didn't agree with you and say he wins high diff

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Completely irrelevant to my post. He was strong enough to rip open a Bijuu sized Sand Pyramid, that is my whole point. The seals aren't the only thing that keep the victim trapped, if the sand itself is too strong for the victim to break free from then he'll be immobilized so he can be sealed comfortably.


We aren't talking about a bigger one so don't bring a bigger one into this discussion.


Jugo's Senjutsu increased its power, but I'm talking about before that.

-Sasuke told Naruto he can keep up with him and shows us in 647 that he can keep up.

-Sasuke asked Naruto if that's all he's got when he called his Susanoo and chopped down that branch.

Those aren't the words of a guy who used Naruto's chakra to form his Susanoo, add that with the fact that we've seen Susanoo of that size before, meaning its not an impossibility. Its probable that he made that Susanoo on his own.



My proof is a Madara feat that Sasuke can top since he has Susanoo that are more powerful than a V3, which are V4 and PS. Can PS or a V4 top what a weaker Susanoo did? Obviously.

the seals keep the victim there,the sand just holds the target until te seal is complete and acts as a medium. They made it to contain a human madara,which it did,not a v3 susanoo. The point you are trying to make is that susanoo was strong enough to bust out of a pyramid meant for a human,that is true,but that dosent add any feat to the susanoo. It's like giving tsunade credit for busting out of a cell meant for konohamaru.

You are the one who claimed the susanoo would bust out of a pyramid had madara started off with it,which i refuted.


Sasuke claimed he could keep up with human form BM naruto,when naruto went full Bm,he was surprised,

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naruto went BSM,he was clearly not able to keep up and was pissed,

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.

If he could make a susanoo the same size as naruto's,with just v3,then add v4 and PS,he wouldnt be like that,not even close. So no,he couldnt keep up with naruto at that point.

If you agree that juugo's cursed seal increased sasuke's susanoo power then denying that naruto's chakra didnt boost him is just baseless. Also since you agree that juug's senjutsu chakra boosted his power,then that means you agree that sasuke's susanoo is naturally weaker than it showed by a good amount,seeing how senjutsu boosts one's abilities.

I am not taling about a v3 susanoo of madara,i am talking about his PS which you people claim to be the same as sasuke's. Being stronger than madara's v3 isnt anything,seeing as gaara blocked 5 v3 susanoo swords and a senjutsu enhanced v3 sword with very little sand shields an only got knocked down. The reason you people claim sasuke wins so easily is because you believe his PS is the same as madara's,which is completely assumption and baseless. Seeing as madara far outweighs sasuke in power and his susanoo should do the same.

The pyramid was meant to subdue Madara, only. Remember, he had no eyes so no one expected him to use Susano - wirelessly. All that being said, if the pyramid had been made to subdue Susano, it would have remained there till kingdom com.