Why Jiraiya > itachi

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You sound ridiculous. SM Naruto blitz'd the Asura path, which SM Jiraiya couldn't. SM Naruto > SM Jiraiya. Jiraiya attained the properties of toads due to him being an imperfect sage.

Naruto never gained speed from Sage mode, he did it from Kyuubi mode
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Edit: When he attacked Asura path, Naruto was already there. Asura path charged against Tsunade and naruto was there.
 

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You sound ridiculous. SM Naruto blitz'd the Asura path, which SM Jiraiya couldn't. SM Naruto > SM Jiraiya. Jiraiya attained the properties of toads due to him being an imperfect sage.

unlike pain ,SM is more than enough to blitz itachi.
swamp of underworld to bury suanoo and when itachi comes out of it, baam giant rashingan to the face of itachi :D
 

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Naruto never gained speed from Sage mode, he did it from Kyuubi mode
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Edit: When he attacked Asura path, Naruto was already there. Asura path charged against Tsunade and naruto was there.

I am done with you. If you honestly think that, may God save you.
 

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Lol Jman defeated Juubito without even lifting a finger, do u guys seriously think that Itachi srands a chance against him?

The dude pretend to be dead so that he can make Naruto stronger without even training him,and he is currently enjoying with mermaids.

Saying Itachi can beat Jman is same as going against manga.
 

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first off yes jiraya infiltrated the hidden rain village but nagato already knew he was there instantly because of his sensing genjutsu rain tiger at will tech so if u are going to tell something tell he whole truth..#BODYBAGsandTOMBSTONES

if u think itachi is that much of a sucker to be caught off guard u are a fool need I remind u oro was behind him and he couldn't see oro yet he easily countered oro and put him in a genjutsu so that hiding shit in walls wont matter...

yes itachi can use tsukoyami from the jump it takes the closing of the eye and reopening it that's a mere couple of seconds, summon 6 animal summons is different first he has to draw blood the place his had palm down that right there is more than 2 seconds and that's just for 1 summon and ma and pa takes minutes to summon and u have never seen anyone summon 6 summons at once especially who use blood to summon the only shinobi who can instantly summon is nagato he doesn't use any blood to summon and he still cant summon all however many of his at once so fail...#BODYBAG

yes tsukoyami affects itachi but 3 seconds of him using is enough to put u in a hospital for weeks as he did kakashi and he wasn't even trying to kill kakashi and tsukoyami is controlled by the user its his world to do whatever he could have up the intensity instead of stabbing kakashi he could have cut off his head...

yes jiraya can stay in sage mode infinitely because of ma and pa but if that's all u got out of the kabuto sm paragraph to defend against then I simply flat-out won that easy then because the whole point off that is that what kabuto did to itachi was because off kabuto's enhancements u compared jiraya to kabuto and they are in different leagues and all u got to say is jiryaya can blah blah blah too...#RIDICULOUSNESS

what is u talking about I never said they cant break tsukoyami because they are non uchiha and I believe they could but can they do it in 3 seconds or even 1 because that's all that's needed to affect anyone in that world

itachi never said him+ kisame at all so save the bullshit

madara and the massacre has nothing to do with this at all

yes he failed at soloing obito but jiraya doesn't have what obito has so again stop using what others can do against itachi that jiraya cant do...

sasuke used a genjutsu it was not tsukoayami and obito said sauske's genjutsu is a far cry from tsukoyami and then praised him for what he was able to do, and do u knw what break out of something means???because danzo never broke out of it was a placed on danzo and it worked and killer bee was put under the hachibi broke him free and jiraya doesn't have a tail beast inside him and that wasn't tsukoyami and it even read in the scan as just "Genjutsu"...so try harder

and he was sick from wn he fought kakashi, evidently pre and even sometime after the massacre he wasn't sick and even so he still has been idolized and fear by every ninja while he was sick and having low chakra, jiraya announces himself all the time and people still didn't knw who he was, everyone knew who itachi was and of his power and feared him so your point is...
 

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I am done with you. If you honestly think that, may God save you.

Naruto didn't blitz sht there, he sense the attack and reacted fast.
1 panel he shout after tsunade
3rd panel he sense that the deva path is going to attack.

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You just showed SM Naruto blitz Asura. ._.
 

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your counter for Tsukuyomi doesn't work

it was stated that only an MS uchiha can break Tsukuyomi
since Ma&Pa aren't MS uchuhas they can't break it...
Tsukuyomi will be Jman's downfall U_U
Amaterasu also solo's him since the flames burn too fast to be sealed
 

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jman never defeated obito

yes by the data books and wiki and even what is stated in the manga by pa the toad sage sm does increase speed but there are no speed feats of sm and only until naruto got kcm was he considered one of the fastest and jiraya anyway is one of the slowest fighters in NV
 

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You just showed SM Naruto blitz Asura. ._.

What does that have to do with anything about speed? He could sense the moment Deva path lift a foot, and therefore he had alot of time to react. That what sage mode is all about, learn the difference.

If sage mode granted him that speed, he could wreck MS-sasuke's neck easily when they first met at the bridge after danzo's fight

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What does that have to do with anything about speed? He could sense the moment Deva path lift a foot, and therefore he had alot of time to react. That what sage mode is all about, learn the difference.

If sage mode granted him that speed, he could wreck MS-sasuke's neck easily when they first met at the bridge after danzo's fight

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You need a better understanding of Naruto. ._.
 

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first off yes jiraya infiltrated the hidden rain village but nagato already knew he was there instantly because of his sensing genjutsu rain tiger at will tech so if u are going to tell something tell he whole truth..#BODYBAGsandTOMBSTONES

if u think itachi is that much of a sucker to be caught off guard u are a fool need I remind u oro was behind him and he couldn't see oro yet he easily countered oro and put him in a genjutsu so that hiding shit in walls wont matter...

yes itachi can use tsukoyami from the jump it takes the closing of the eye and reopening it that's a mere couple of seconds, summon 6 animal summons is different first he has to draw blood the place his had palm down that right there is more than 2 seconds and that's just for 1 summon and ma and pa takes minutes to summon and u have never seen anyone summon 6 summons at once especially who use blood to summon the only shinobi who can instantly summon is nagato he doesn't use any blood to summon and he still cant summon all however many of his at once so fail...#BODYBAG

yes tsukoyami affects itachi but 3 seconds of him using is enough to put u in a hospital for weeks as he did kakashi and he wasn't even trying to kill kakashi and tsukoyami is controlled by the user its his world to do whatever he could have up the intensity instead of stabbing kakashi he could have cut off his head...

yes jiraya can stay in sage mode infinitely because of ma and pa but if that's all u got out of the kabuto sm paragraph to defend against then I simply flat-out won that easy then because the whole point off that is that what kabuto did to itachi was because off kabuto's enhancements u compared jiraya to kabuto and they are in different leagues and all u got to say is jiryaya can blah blah blah too...#RIDICULOUSNESS

what is u talking about I never said they cant break tsukoyami because they are non uchiha and I believe they could but can they do it in 3 seconds or even 1 because that's all that's needed to affect anyone in that world

itachi never said him+ kisame at all so save the bullshit

madara and the massacre has nothing to do with this at all

yes he failed at soloing obito but jiraya doesn't have what obito has so again stop using what others can do against itachi that jiraya cant do...

sasuke used a genjutsu it was not tsukoayami and obito said sauske's genjutsu is a far cry from tsukoyami and then praised him for what he was able to do, and do u knw what break out of something means???because danzo never broke out of it was a placed on danzo and it worked and killer bee was put under the hachibi broke him free and jiraya doesn't have a tail beast inside him and that wasn't tsukoyami and it even read in the scan as just "Genjutsu"...so try harder

and he was sick from wn he fought kakashi, evidently pre and even sometime after the massacre he wasn't sick and even so he still has been idolized and fear by every ninja while he was sick and having low chakra, jiraya announces himself all the time and people still didn't knw who he was, everyone knew who itachi was and of his power and feared him so your point is...

don't write your personal opinion only
do you mean to say if itachi hits SO6P tsukuyomi then he can't get out of it and after 3 sec he will be in hospital ??? lolz
amount of mental trauma a person suffer depends upon training of a person. You need a lot of mind consontration power to obtain a sage mode. The meaning of sage is the person who meditates. and person who meditates can control their mind more efficiently than others so effect of tsukuyomi is less severe to jiraiya than kakashi.
+ kid sasuke also ate tsukuyomi but still mange to run away instead of breaking down.

It was dazou who said sasuke's tsukuyomi is less effective than that of itachi.

Jiraiya is better stalker and spy than itachi. the only reason itachi knew orochimaru was behind him was because itachi already put orochimaru into genjutsu when they were talking. so orochimaru following itachi was just an illusion of oro.

read the manga page clearly in which itachi said himself , kisame+itachi=jiraiya. It may be trivial but itachi did said that. and Point i wanted to prove is that everything itachi says don't necessary is universal truth.
 

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itachi himself admitted that jiraya is stronger than him so i don't see what's there to debate about...! jiraya was a legendary sannin...! who are really underrated..!
 

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You need a better understanding of Naruto. ._.

come on dude you know this fact that SM jiraiya has more speed than SM naruto. SM jiraiya spent his life time honing his skills in SM while naruto just got SM. blitzing obito's paths might be a cause of plot progression or difference in the location , scenario.
 

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You need a better understanding of Naruto. ._.

Did sage mode grant Madara speed? No
Did sage mode grant Hashirama speed? No
Did sage mode grant Naruto speed? No
Did sage mode grant Jiariya speed? Yes
 

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Did sage mode grant Madara speed? No
Did sage mode grant Hashirama speed? No
Did sage mode grant Naruto speed? No
Did sage mode grant Jiariya speed? Yes

I am dying. Seriously. This post gave me cancer.
 
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