Why Jiraiya > itachi

[azumaki naruto]

fine! But itachi >> nagato >> jiraiya:bouncy:

 

[omarsen]

Jiraiya has the offensive capability to keep Itach on the defensive the whole fight. If Jiraiya can keep the fight fast paced and stay on the offensive, he would win. Tsukuyomei and Amaterasu both require build up time and Jiraiya can sink Susano'o with his underworld technique.

Itachi can't concentrate when he's being assaulted. He has ace in the holes yes, but Jiraiya can keep him on his heels the whole fight.

Indeed, i'm not saying that Jiraiya would break Itachi's neck, low diff. It would be a tough fight for both, and Jiryia wins this high diff.

Yes It Makes Me Feel Sick

Izanami 1shot gg

 

[omarsen]

fine! But itachi >> nagato >> jiraiya:bouncy:

Nagato was an edo, and edo when they fight against their will, their power drops alot, "Stated by Tobirama the creator of edo-tensi"

living Nagato would wreck Itachi's neck

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

yes killing orochimaru from a fodder state, with no arms.

Izanami will only work for those who don't accept themselfs, period. and all the stuff you mentioned, we have discussed it here. prove me wrong in other cases if you can.

Where does it say it only works against "those who dont accept themselves" ?

 

[omarsen]

I swear to Jesus the base is getting dumber. Show me one scan of Jiraiya being able to sense [without barriers]. Amaterasu one shots. GG

And your Susano'o counter sucks. Swamp of the Underworld is the proper counter.

Madara could even sense, that Sasuke got EMS, lmao saying otherwise, MANGA FACTS. (SAGE MODE)

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[omarsen]

Where does it say it only works against "those who dont accept themselves" ?

All explained here, "It was created to save those uchiha from arrogance and procrastination"
"When you acknowlegde your results and stop trying to run away, The jutsu Dissolves."

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[mrcrazyboyravi]

You know what you did, you are talking only from one point of view.
But still I am going to counter it,

1. Kakashi knew about genjutsu too, did he countered it successfully?
2. Sasuke vs Itachi wasn't the only fight responsible for Itachi losing his eyesight.
3. Reverse summoning requires scroll it isn't instantaneous unlike Tsukuyomi. About second way, let's say they did it, but how many times are they going to do it? If you look in Itachi's eyes you are again in genjutsu.
4. On belly of toad, do you know what, Amaterasu burns flesh too, and proof is this scan,

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On hair part, Jiraiya is hairy creature, how can he cut down his hairs, without giving an opening to former Anbu captain?
5. On Susano'o part, Itachi don't even need to go for version 3 or higher, but if he goes, he has Yata and Totsuka, more than enough to take care of rasengan and toads, and on top of that Susano'o itself is pretty much strong, it withstood Kirin, on of the best lightning attacks.

Kakashi didn't knew about tsukuyomi . he thought it was a simple genjutsu so he became careless.+ Kakashi at that time was weak. Kakashi was sweating when he saw orochimaru. Mental prowess of jiraiya can be seen when Even after being stabbed five times by the Six Paths of Pain's Chakra Disruption Blades, he was able to use the Finger Carving Seal.

Itachi was weak from desease so He is not healthy.+ Due to lack of stamina , he could barely fight against hebi sasuke and died in the end. so if noob hebi sasuke can outlast itachi then why can't jiraiya.

Jiraiya can also use Barrier: Canopy Method Formation . by this jiraiya can trap itachi inside his barrier where only he can sense and attack his opponent. + if you are not satisfied with that then what can itachi do after jiraiya fuses with ma and pa toad. by this even if itachi hits tsukuyomi to jiraiya , it would still be useless because continuous flow of nature energy due to help of ma and pa will subconsciously disrupt chakra flow of jiraiya.+ If itachi can easily cast tsukuyomi on kage level sanin then why isn't it possible that jiraiya might be using a kage bushin ??

ya itachi can burn the toad inside with jiraiya was hiding but that will buy jiraiya enough time to run away from danger. remember all the samurai survived when they took off their jacket burnt by amatersu.

giant swamp can bury orochimaru's giants summons then why can't it bury itachi's susanoo + attack from 6 direction is more than enough to keep itachi busy , while making itachi tired by continuous use of susanoo.

 

[Penguin]

Madara could even sense, that Sasuke got EMS, lmao saying otherwise, MANGA FACTS. (SAGE MODE)

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Ya, Jiraiya did not have perfect sage mode. Only perfect sage mode users can sense whilst in SM.

 

[Da Best Ever]

fail again tsukoyami can affect anyone as long as they look...so quit the short range bullshit... and he would only use that tech in the beginning of the fight at the start jiraya wont summon 5 damn summons at once and cannot anyway so...and yes he cant tsukoayami while in susano or maybe he could since u can still make eye contact but lets say he couldn't, there have been many times when the susano users including itachi use susano in portions for the amount needed at the time so when someone attacks them they can activate immediately so save that 6 against 1 shi...#BODYBAG

and jiraya sm and dsm kabuto are too different levels one being that kabuto is arguably the greatest sage mode user ever since he can stay in sage mode forever as long as he wants due to juugo's abililty to passively absorb nature enery and jiraya is a sitting duck for a few minutes and needs ma and pa to go into sage mode while kabuto does not and kabuto has a bus load of enhancements that puts him way beyond just sage mode so dnt even compare what kabuto did to itachi because jiraya aint even that level...#LEVELS

and are u joking...it doesn't matter who it is if u get put under tsukoyami from itachi you are dead meat...#BODYBAG

he can use them long enough to beat jiraya and itachi has never just used ms techs only in a fight so... and in his fight with sasuke which was one of the longest fights we have seen and that was at the height of his illness and was allowing himself to be beat while being ill and going blind...that's more than enough time to beat jiraya...and kabuto said kimimaro was already dead and that sheer will was keeping him alive and he fought gaara and lee and naruto and would have killed all of them one by one if not for the intervention of the others and would have killed gaara had not the illness fially got him#BODYBAG

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

fine! But itachi >> nagato >> jiraiya:bouncy:

by your logic Danzou >>>>>>> Itachi +shisui + rest of fodder uchihaa clan.

 

[omarsen]

Ya, Jiraiya did not have perfect sage mode. Only perfect sage mode users can sense whilst in SM.

Wasn't perfect? He "kinda" turned into a frog, thats why it wasn't perfect, otherwise it was.
I don't know about you, but you can't find better than Mo & Pa at sage mode.
Mo & Pa teaches people the sage mode, they mastered it.

 

[omarsen]

by your logic Danzou >>>>>>> Itachi +shisui + rest of fodder uchihaa clan.

hahahahaha

 

[Penguin]

Wasn't perfect? He "kinda" turned into a frog, thats why it wasn't perfect, otherwise it was.
I don't know about you, but you can't find better than Mo & Pa at sage mode.
Mo & Pa teaches people the sage mode, they mastered it.

You don't get it. To attain perfect Sage mode, you need to balance your spiritual, physical, and natural energies. Ma and Pa had to help Jiraiya with this, because he was not good at it, unlike Naruto.

 

[omarsen]

fail again tsukoyami can affect anyone as long as they look...so quit the short range bullshit... and he would only use that tech in the beginning of the fight at the start jiraya wont summon 5 damn summons at once and cannot anyway so...and yes he cant tsukoayami while in susano or maybe he could since u can still make eye contact but lets say he couldn't, there have been many times when the susano users including itachi use susano in portions for the amount needed at the time so when someone attacks them they can activate immediately so save that 6 against 1 shi...#BODYBAG

and jiraya sm and dsm kabuto are too different levels one being that kabuto is arguably the greatest sage mode user ever since he can stay in sage mode forever as long as he wants due to juugo's abililty to passively absorb nature enery and jiraya is a sitting duck for a few minutes and needs ma and pa to go into sage mode while kabuto does not and kabuto has a bus load of enhancements that puts him way beyond just sage mode so dnt even compare what kabuto did to itachi because jiraya aint even that level...#LEVELS

and are u joking...it doesn't matter who it is if u get put under tsukoyami from itachi you are dead meat...#BODYBAG

he can use them long enough to beat jiraya and itachi has never just used ms techs only in a fight so... and in his fight with sasuke which was one of the longest fights we have seen and that was at the height of his illness and was allowing himself to be beat while being ill and going blind...that's more than enough time to beat jiraya...and kabuto said kimimaro was already dead and that sheer will was keeping him alive and he fought gaara and lee and naruto and would have killed all of them one by one if not for the intervention of the others and would have killed gaara had not the illness fially got him#BODYBAG

Then why isn't Obito dead when Madara put him under tsukuyomi?

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[Da Best Ever]

that swamp tech wont sink susano because itachi because itachi would just deactivate it and jump to another location do u think someone of his skill level or someone of his intelligence would fall to a tech like that...I shouldn't even have wasted my time on that..#BODYBAG

yall keep saying 6vs1 how is that? the summons are burned alive or totsuka gg they have no way of countering amaterasu at all and cant defend from totsuka either so its a 3 vs 1..the giant toads are #DOA

 

[omarsen]

You don't get it. To attain perfect Sage mode, you need to balance your spiritual, physical, and natural energies. Ma and Pa had to help Jiraiya with this, because he was not good at it, unlike Naruto.

Can't see why it would be less effective? Jiraiya gained speed from his form of sage mode, unlike Naruto. He was jumping like a frog

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[mrcrazyboyravi]

fail again tsukoyami can affect anyone as long as they look...so quit the short range bullshit... and he would only use that tech in the beginning of the fight at the start jiraya wont summon 5 damn summons at once and cannot anyway so...and yes he cant tsukoayami while in susano or maybe he could since u can still make eye contact but lets say he couldn't, there have been many times when the susano users including itachi use susano in portions for the amount needed at the time so when someone attacks them they can activate immediately so save that 6 against 1 shi...#BODYBAG

and jiraya sm and dsm kabuto are too different levels one being that kabuto is arguably the greatest sage mode user ever since he can stay in sage mode forever as long as he wants due to juugo's abililty to passively absorb nature enery and jiraya is a sitting duck for a few minutes and needs ma and pa to go into sage mode while kabuto does not and kabuto has a bus load of enhancements that puts him way beyond just sage mode so dnt even compare what kabuto did to itachi because jiraya aint even that level...#LEVELS

and are u joking...it doesn't matter who it is if u get put under tsukoyami from itachi you are dead meat...#BODYBAG

he can use them long enough to beat jiraya and itachi has never just used ms techs only in a fight so... and in his fight with sasuke which was one of the longest fights we have seen and that was at the height of his illness and was allowing himself to be beat while being ill and going blind...that's more than enough time to beat jiraya...and kabuto said kimimaro was already dead and that sheer will was keeping him alive and he fought gaara and lee and naruto and would have killed all of them one by one if not for the intervention of the others and would have killed gaara had not the illness fially got him#BODYBAG

Jiraiya is the best spy and tracking ninja after kabuto. jiraiya can hide in shadows or stick in the wall like a poster while itachi will be walking carelessly by his side. Jiraiya infiltrated akatsuki, jiraiya infiltrated hidden rail twice, jiraiay infiltrated hidden sound village.Its a fact jiraiya will find itachi first hence first move will be done by jiraiya.

tsukuyomi time period is limited because itachi can't cast tsukuyomi for a long time because it hurts itachi too.+ if itachi can cast cast tsukuyomi instantly the moment they meet then why can't jiraiya summon all toad ninjas as soon as he sees itachi.

jiraiay can also stay in sage mode infinitely because he can simply attach ma pa in this shoulder and they will absorb sage energy for him. read the manga.

Can you prove non uchihaa can't break tsukuyomi at all ??If you go by itachi's statement then
Itachi said itachi+kisame = draw with jiraiya
itachi said madara helped him to massacre but he failed to recognize truth
Itachi was so sure amatersu one shots obito but failed.
Danzou and killer B broke sasuke's tsukuyomi. so itachi's statement is fail

Don't make illness as an excuse because itachi was sick and low stamina ninja to begin with

 

[Da Best Ever]

obito wasn't dead because madara obviously was not trying to harm obito instead he was explaining and showing how tsukoyami works which is having complete manipulation control over that illusionary world and madara want doing obito any harm in it, itachi was doing kakashi harm in his that's why he had kakashi tied up to a cross and was stabbing him repeatedly...my man I cant believe u tried to argue this that was weak and too easy....smdh at yo ass...#PATHETIC

 

[Penguin]

Can't see why it would be less effective? Jiraiya gained speed from his form of sage mode, unlike Naruto. He was jumping like a frog

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You sound ridiculous. SM Naruto blitz'd the Asura path, which SM Jiraiya couldn't. SM Naruto > SM Jiraiya. Jiraiya attained the properties of toads due to him being an imperfect sage.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

that swamp tech wont sink susano because itachi because itachi would just deactivate it and jump to another location do u think someone of his skill level or someone of his intelligence would fall to a tech like that...I shouldn't even have wasted my time on that..#BODYBAG

yall keep saying 6vs1 how is that? the summons are burned alive or totsuka gg they have no way of countering amaterasu at all and cant defend from totsuka either so its a 3 vs 1..the giant toads are #DOA

itachi can only use 1 tsukuyomi 2 amatersu shots, 2-3 times summon susanoo . after that itachi is blind.
+after 1 tsukuyomi 2-3 amatersu spam itachi is virtually a tired man.

so choose your battle tactic wisely, that's what itachi does in normal battle. He just don't spam jutsu.

itachi's amatersu couldn't burn sasuke twice.
sasuke's amatersu couldn't burn samurai with armour+ gara's sand blocked amatersu and raikage outpaced amatersu.
so its safe to say that if jiraiaya create a doton wall then amatersu can be blocked. yea amaterasu will be burning that wall slowly but it will stop it from making jiraiya as target.
how on earth can you say that fodder amatersu that couldn't kill fodder samurai will kill giant pro wrestling toads that hold off against shukaku and kyubii ???