The Rasengan & the Senju Life Force

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With the new insight on the origins of the Senju and Uchiha Clans, and further thinking on the subject, in this theory I will attempt to reinforce the idea that Naruto is a Senju. I will use my original theory on as reinforcement of this statement. In that theory, I theorized that Kishi used the order of the Hindu chakra system as inspiration behind the order of Konoha's Hokages, and characteristics they had.

Continuing with the idea that Kishi did use the Hindu Chakra System as influence for Konoha's most important person, I would also like to state that all (official) Hokages are and will be Senju descendents. We know for a fact that the First, Second and Fifth are Senjus. There is not too much information on the origins of the Third, Hiruzen Sarutobi, and the Fourth, Minato Namikaze.

However, we have one statement from Tobi in Chapter 399, which alludes to the possibility of Hiruzen and Minato being Senju:

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The Hokage Mountain shows faces up to Minato with Tobi saying "As time passed... and Senju retained supremacy". This definitely alludes to a great possibility that Minato and those before him were Senju.

When discussing Minato Namikaze's Senju ancestry, I may be taking a shot in the dark but this is where my theory on Kishi's Hokage Selection comes in as reinforcement.

First, the new insight on the origins of Senju:
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Note: Senju descendants have Rikudo's life force

Second, life force and its relation to the Hindu concept of chakra:
So in Hinduism, chakra literally means disc or wheel. It is visualized to be a spinning sphere of spiritual energy. According to Wikipedia, chakra is believed to be a center of activity that receives, assimilates, and expresses life force energy. Kishi has integrated this idea within the manga by employing the Rasengan. The Rasengan is the materialization of the Hindu concept of chakra.

So what am I saying?
Anyone who uses Rasengan in the manga is also a Senju descendant.

Why?
Well, going with the theory that Kishi uses the Hindu Chakra System as a pattern for Hokage Selection, I am stating that Hokages have a unique characteristic to them... Rikudo's life force which is related to chakra spheres. For instance, Minato the 4th, invented the Rasengan. Jiraiya was chosen to be the 5th Hokage, but rejected the position. And it has been stated that Kakashi should be the 6th Hokage, and he also knows how to wield the Rasengan.

Now you might say, well anyone with a Sharingan can copy and use the Rasengan as well. Well, it hasn't been shown yet that a Sharingan user can copy Rasengan, due to its lack of hand seals. But, I didn't say anyone who knows how, but only anyone has just been shown to use it.


Conclusion:
The Konoha Hokages are related to spherical life forces of the Senju Clan AKA all the Hokages are and will remain Senju, and if factual statement of their Senju ancestry is not revealed, then wielding the Rasengan serves as a sign of proof of their blood. Thus, Naruto's mastery of Rasengan (along with Kakashi & Jiraiya) shows he's a Senju.


P.S. - I can't think of how Rikudo's life force enables Senju, particularly the First, to control Bijuus, so any insight or discussion on it is valuable!
 
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either i believe that naruto is decensdant of "sage body" who are will fate to fight sasuke kun who are decensdant for "sage eyes"
thus fight are remainig their friendly, courage, relateted, ect
 

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interestin theory just not sure jiraiya was a senju he was d greatest but on his own strength now anyone else. one thing the will of fire is kinda like the senju's legacy i believe thats what they left behind and thats what tobi was referin to in naruto
 

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Interesting theory. I think the Rasengan may have been more of a Jiraiya sort of thing thought. Another theory I read before was that Jiraiya and Tsunade actually fathered the 4th which I thought was an interesting prospect. It would explain why Jiraiya, the 4th and Naruto all can use the Rasengan. And also explains how Naruto got Senju blood (Tsunade).
 

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You're reading way to much into it, keeping supremacy line meant the same as what Danzo opposes when he first got brought in, he hates the Thirds teachines, which got passed to Tsunade, etc, but they were passed down from the Senju,

So, I think he means that they have supremacy because,

1st Hokage & 2nd Hokage taught the Third Hokage who taught the Sannin who one of them taught the Fourth Hokage and then another Sannin became Hokage, keeping it all Senju-teachings.
 

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That would make the third a senju then too, (sarutobi)
Konohamaru was shown to know the rasengan (he used it on pain) and he's the grand child of the third.
 
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Nice theory buddy...
From tobi's words we can conclude that evryone who has Will Of Fire is a senju. And Naruto has most of it, so he is true heir of senju. Its like from Harry Potter "Anyone who is willing to protect his friends, is brave and blah blah" can wield Sword of Godric Griffindor....
Its not necessary to be from Senju Clan.
But I like your idea of Rasengan and Senjus.
I dont think Sharingan can copy Rasengan.
Read this thread...

Only those person who has latent potential can copy moves with Sharingan. Bcoz Neji also manage to learn Huuga Main Branch techs just by watching...

Now coming to main point:-
How can you prove that 3rd was able to use Rasengan. It is said 4th created it so 1st as well as 2nd dont know this tech...
 

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Nice theory buddy...
From tobi's words we can conclude that evryone who has Will Of Fire is a senju. And Naruto has most of it, so he is true heir of senju. Its like from Harry Potter "Anyone who is willing to protect his friends, is brave and blah blah" can wield Sword of Godric Griffindor....
Its not necessary to be from Senju Clan.
But I like your idea of Rasengan and Senjus.
I dont think Sharingan can copy Rasengan.
Read this thread...

Only those person who has latent potential can copy moves with Sharingan. Bcoz Neji also manage to learn Huuga Main Branch techs just by watching...

Now coming to main point:-
How can you prove that 3rd was able to use Rasengan. It is said 4th created it so 1st as well as 2nd dont know this tech...
I wasn't trying to prove the third used rasengan. I said if the manga doesn't say a certain person is a Senju, then the rasengan should serve as a symbol of their Senju blood. When it comes to third, not much info is disclosed about his ancestry, so I took a shot in the dark using Tobi's statement abou Senju supremacy showing Hiruzen's face along with other Hokages on the Hokage Mountain.
 

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I wasn't trying to prove the third used rasengan. I said if the manga doesn't say a certain person is a Senju, then the rasengan should serve as a symbol of their Senju blood. When it comes to third, not much info is disclosed about his ancestry, so I took a shot in the dark using Tobi's statement abou Senju supremacy showing Hiruzen's face along with other Hokages on the Hokage Mountain.
Look at this
The Konoha Hokages are related to spherical life forces of the Senju Clan AKA all the Hokages are and will remain Senju, and if factual statement of their Senju ancestry is not revealed, then wielding the Rasengan serves as a sign of proof of their blood. Thus, Naruto's mastery of Rasengan (along with Kakashi & Jiraiya) shows he's a Senju.
dont contradict... Here you are saying Rasengan serves as a sign of Senju Blood. if all hokages are senju then 1st, 2nd and 3rd should have learned rasengan. While 1st and 2nd didnt know about Rasengan.
I think Tobi tried to say all those persons who have will of fire in them are senjus, even though they are not blood relatives...
 

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dont contradict... Here you are saying Rasengan serves as a sign of Senju Blood. if all hokages are senju then 1st, 2nd and 3rd should have learned rasengan. While 1st and 2nd didnt know about Rasengan.
He didnt contradict himself. All apples are fruits, but not all fruits are apples. In the same way, he meant that all Rasengan users are Senju (assuming his cool theory's correct) not that all Senju are Rasengan users.
 
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He didnt contradict himself. All apples are fruits, but not all fruits are apples. In the same way, he meant that all Rasengan users are Senju (assuming his cool theory's correct) not that all Senju are Rasengan users.
I got it. Thanks. By the way, I could not understand where my post ended and your started.
 

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Really good theory. i myself thing that kakashi is a senju desendent, mayb from the secound hokage thats why his names is mentioned for the hokage position and i think jaraiya to. Senju i guess r good wit spiral enegy manipulation i guess, i dont think they all have to be wood style users, i dont think they all manipulate tail- beast, and i think the 4th took a gamble for putting the fox in naruto bcuz his a decentend.
 

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i liked your effort in putting together your theory. it was well done, with good support of concepts.

i really cant think of anything to say about this cause i believe your correct in saying all of the hokages have been Senju.

you forgot the most recently shown user of the rasengan...konohamaru! that just goes to further back your theory as he sarutobi-sama's grandson
 
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