EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM (Naruto) Sensing

[KidGamer65]

Naruto didnt put any guard, there wasnt even an exclamation point that usually indicates one's awareness of something.
Sasuke's speed and movements matched that of SM madara and he was able to land a hit on superior sensor with just a sword.

Naruto's failure to react is clear evidence of speed madara possesses, while sasuke was able to catch SM version of him all of that due to EMS which even madara recognizes.

Please read the manga.

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What is that I see? Oh yes, a guard. Meaning Naruto did react.

Oh, you mean where Madara evaded all his attacks and then let him pierce his arm so he could catch his blade? lmao, this guy really thinks Sasuke tagged Madara with his own abilities....Lol

Not to mention him getting all his attacks evaded/countered by Madara doesn't mean Sasuke will react to Madara's Shunshin any better than SM Naruto did.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Uh, no. Sasuke never reacted to Madara's speed as Madara never tried to blitz Sasuke nor did he use Shunshin against him, he was evading all his moves and let him stab his arm so he could grab a hold of his sword and stop him. Him reacting to Madara's dodging attempts doesn't mean he can react to his Shunshin the same way, not when one is obviously faster than the other.

Also, Naruto was able to put up a guard so he wasn't able to evade but he clearly reacted.

It still can't be overlooked that madara was on the defensive and being pushed back. With the speed he used to blitz sai and naruto, he should've easily been able to dash away from sasuke. However, he wasn't able to do that and simply ended the onslaught by intentionally allowing sasuke to stab him, knowing he had healing capabilities. If not for the self healing, madara would have had to open up a susano'o, or use some more advanced methods to get away from sasuke. As madara himself said, sasuke's movements were quite fluid...

Not trying to take anything away from SM naruto, but sasuke has always been portrayed to be far faster than he is... It's just some people who started to believe naruto is of the same speed. Just look at sasuke's speed feats throughout his hebi/taka days; He's no itachi, but he's damn near closing in on itachi in everything and has surpassed him in quite a few respects already.

 

[KidGamer65]

It still can't be overlooked that madara was on the defensive and being pushed back. With the speed he used to blitz sai and naruto, he should've easily been able to dash away from sasuke. However, he wasn't able to do that and simply ended the onslaught by intentionally allowing sasuke to stab him, knowing he had healing capabilities. If not for the self healing, madara would have had to open up a susano'o, or use some more advanced methods to get away from sasuke. As madara himself said, sasuke's movements were quite fluid...

Not trying to take anything away from SM naruto, but sasuke has always been portrayed to be far faster than he is... It's just some people who started to believe naruto is of the same speed. Just look at sasuke's speed feats throughout his hebi/taka days; He's no itachi, but he's damn near closing in on itachi in everything and has surpassed him in quite a few respects already.

Dashing away from Sasuke would only lead to Madara getting away. Doing what he did allowed him to stop Sasuke in his tracks and give him an opening for an attack. Its not that he couldn't do it, cause he could of, its that doing what he did is the better strategical move. I can partially agree with the bold though I doubt Susanoo would be necessary.

Though I do agree that Sasuke is faster than SM Naruto.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh, you mean where Madara evaded all his attacks and then let him pierce his arm so he could catch his blade? lmao, this guy really thinks Sasuke tagged Madara with his own abilities....Lol

Not to mention him getting all his attacks evaded/countered by Madara doesn't mean Sasuke will react to Madara's Shunshin any better than SM Naruto did.

Ok. there was a guard to base madara lol. Pic isnt best quality thou.

Bold is laughable speculation, why would madara aknowledge sasuke's eyes then?

And why not? If sasuke can match SM madara in speed, why wouldnt he react better to base shunshin better then naruto?

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok. there was a guard to base madara lol. Pic isnt best quality thou.

Bold is laughable speculation, why would madara aknowledge sasuke's eyes then?

And why not? If sasuke can match SM madara in speed, why wouldnt he react better to base shunshin better then naruto?

No, it isn't. Cause you can clearly see him

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in a position to have it get stabbed. If Sasuke landed a real hit on Madara I can assure you it wouldn't be through his arm nor would Madara have caught it.

Him complimenting Sasuke's movements and eyes doesn't mean that those movements were so great that he couldn't evade them, cause we see him evade his attacks until he decides to stop and catch his blade.

Except I see no scans of him matching Madara's Shunshin speed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Dashing away from Sasuke would only lead to Madara getting away. Doing what he did allowed him to stop Sasuke in his tracks and give him an opening for an attack. Its not that he couldn't do it, cause he could of, its that doing what he did is the better strategical move. I can partially agree with the bold though I doubt Susanoo would be necessary.

Though I do agree that Sasuke is faster than SM Naruto.

The bold would have been thhe exact point... Why do you think he used that fire jutsu in the end? To escape. If he could have simply outsped sasuke, he would have. There was actually no reason to take that blow if he had other options. He took the blow to halt sasuke's sword attacks to increase his likelihood of escape.

Yea, I'm not saying he'd definitely need susano'o, but I was just trying to say some form of defence/offence beyond dodging/fighting back with his bare hands (that's if he couldn't heal mind you. Because then, every slash of that sword would be a blow too much).

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] take note that madara was indeed trying to shuushin away(same puffs of smoke when he dashed to naruto, and when kcm naruto tried to shuushin ay), but sasuke was also dashing right back onto him. Not saying sasuke faster than mads, maybe he's as fast, Maybe he's a little slow.

 

[AlphaScythian]

No, it isn't. Cause you can clearly see him

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in a position to have it get stabbed. If Sasuke landed a real hit on Madara I can assure you it wouldn't be through his arm nor would Madara have caught it.
Him complimenting Sasuke's movements and eyes doesn't mean that those movements were so great that he couldn't evade them, cause we see him evade his attacks until he decides to stop and catch his blade.
Except I see no scans of him matching Madara's Shunshin speed.

Lol if madara could grab the sword normal way, he would do that. Sasuke was aiming for the heart or the face and madara couldnt prevent it any other way but to deflect with his arm.

Evading few attacks doesnt mean dodge all ffs. Sasuke adjusted to madara and managed to score.

I was under impression that shunshin is derived from base speed but w/e right, lets speculate on the unknown.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Lol if madara could grab the sword normal way, he would do that. Sasuke was aiming for the heart or the face and madara couldnt prevent it any other way but to deflect with his arm.

Evading few attacks doesnt mean dodge all ffs. Sasuke adjusted to madara and managed to score.

I was under impression that shunshin is derived from base speed but w/e right, lets speculate on the unknown.

Dude, taking a sharp object through your body is a common tactic to stop the opponent from moving it. That way, the only thing they can do is slide it in and out, but madara stopped even that with his hand. Come on now -_-

 

[AlphaScythian]

Dude, taking a sharp object through your body is a common tactic to stop the opponent from moving it. That way, the only thing they can do is slide it in and out, but madara stopped even that with his hand. Come on now -_-

Are you kidding me? Its a tactic for those who cant do any better. So you think you can stop the sword by grabbing it? What will happen when i try to pull sword back or move it to the sides? O yeah your hand will fall off.

 

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Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

It should also be mentioned that the fact that Sasuke's EMS is a choku tomoe type helps him greatly.

and what is a choku tomoe if you care to explain?

 

[AlphaScythian]

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and what is a choku tomoe if you care to explain?

Its an eye that sees straight through bullshit.

 

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Its an eye that sees straight through bullshit.

and you dont think madara was referring to the fact that sasuke has a EMS since he's the second person to have one?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

and you dont think madara was referring to the fact that sasuke has a EMS since he's the second person to have one?

No madara referred to it as MS that has enhanced precognition abilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

The bold would have been thhe exact point... Why do you think he used that fire jutsu in the end? To escape. If he could have simply outsped sasuke, he would have. There was actually no reason to take that blow if he had other options. He took the blow to halt sasuke's sword attacks to increase his likelihood of escape.

Stopping him and then attacking with Katon lets him get to his real target, the Bijuu, uninterrupted and it lets him land a counter attack on Sasuke, but I guess you have a point here.

Yea, I'm not saying he'd definitely need susano'o, but I was just trying to say some form of defence/offence beyond dodging/fighting back with his bare hands (that's if he couldn't heal mind you. Because then, every slash of that sword would be a blow too much).

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] take note that madara was indeed trying to shuushin away(same puffs of smoke when he dashed to naruto, and when kcm naruto tried to shuushin ay), but sasuke was also dashing right back onto him. Not saying sasuke faster than mads, maybe he's as fast, Maybe he's a little slow.

Puffs of smoke rising when a character moves doesn't indicate Shunshin all the time, that only indicates that he was jumping back, causing dust to rise from the ground, which is what he was doing.

Lol if madara could grab the sword normal way, he would do that. Sasuke was aiming for the heart or the face and madara couldnt prevent it any other way but to deflect with his arm.

There is no grabbing the sword the normal way, you don't extend your hand to catch a sharp sword that is being thrust at you, that's idiotic. Madara not being able to evade it is nothing but an assumption. I have scans of him evading Sasuke's attacks and I have a scan of him stopping to catch the blade by letting it pierce him and then score a counter attack at the same time.

Evading few attacks doesnt mean dodge all ffs. Sasuke adjusted to madara and managed to score.

No, manga clearly showed him stopping to take the sword, on purpose. Your interpretation is nothing but fanfiction.

I was under impression that shunshin is derived from base speed but w/e right, lets speculate on the unknown.[/QUOTE]

 

[Penguin]

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Juubito who blitz'd Tobirama [because no one knew Juubito's speed] was tagged with four explosive tags and a Hiraishin mark by Tobirama during the blitz. Mind you Juubito was near instant. Now the same Juubito blitz'd not only Naruto but Sasuke as well, who were both watching Juubito attack. So...not really. It all depends.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Juubito who blitz'd Tobirama [because no one knew Juubito's speed] was tagged with four explosive tags and a Hiraishin mark by Tobirama during the blitz. Mind you Juubito was near instant. Now the same Juubito blitz'd not only Naruto but Sasuke as well, who were both watching Juubito attack. So...not really. It all depends.

In case of juubito none of them could really do anything. His speed was far too great to counter with such small distance.

No, manga clearly showed him stopping to take the sword, on purpose. Your interpretation is nothing but fanfiction.

Manga doesnt show that the slightest. What manga shows is sasuke getting madara and reciving the praise as well as invitation to join madara.

Fanfiction is on you buddy.

 

[adeshina365]

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and you dont think madara was referring to the fact that sasuke has a EMS since he's the second person to have one?

The meaning of Madara's statement is quite explicit.

The tomoe of Sasuke's Mangekyou are straight. This provides improved precognition capabilities.

 

[jorgelius]

in this aspect they might be good as other, two sons other had body/sage mode other eyes soo... maybe

but ems/sharingan was same than naruto's bijuusage mode both makes him able to sense things, chakra mode and bijuu mode they found a way to track obito same time..

sharingan give user many talents with two tomoe sharingan sasuke used lots of shurikens with robe and throw them perfectly to tie orochimaru in tree + itachi was able to read sage mode kabuto's intentions point is sharingan => sage mode

 

[KidGamer65]

Manga doesnt show that the slightest. What manga shows is sasuke getting madara and reciving the praise as well as invitation to join madara.

Fanfiction is on you buddy.

Are we really going to ignore what the manga clearly shows? Though I can't say I'm surprised.

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Manga clearly shows via movement lines, Madara's arm being shifted to take Sasuke's sword allowing him to catch it since its lodged inside his skin. Madara moved into the position to catch Sasuke's sword before Sasuke even stabbed him yet you think he didn't purposely set it up that way? lmao, precisely why I can't take you seriously.

-Madara praising him is completely irrelevant to my point, as I've already explained.

Him complimenting Sasuke's movements and eyes doesn't mean that those movements were so great that he couldn't evade them, cause we see him evade his attacks until he decides to stop and catch his blade.

Get back to me when you are done ignoring manga scans.

 

[VongolaX]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

Its an eye that sees straight through bullshit.

Seeing the future?