EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM (Naruto) Sensing

[adeshina365]

EMS (Mature, Choku Tomoe?) Precognition >>> SM (Naruto) Sensing

Edit: It should also be mentioned that the fact that Sasuke's EMS is a choku tomoe type helps him greatly.

SM Naruto was blitzed by Madara before he had Hashirama's sage chakra:

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Naruto was completing incapable of reacting to Madara.

Sasuke on the other hand was capable of reacting to Madara even after Madara gained sage chakra:

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People will look to this scan to show that EMS precognition and SM sensing are about equal.....

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...but one has to realize the fast pace in which Sasuke has evolved during this battle. I don't think I need to post scans to prove that....


...In Sasuke's own words:

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He's been getting more and more accustomed to his EMS; it's not an instantaneous process.

 

[moe6142]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

Agreed OP.

Don't expect this to go over well with other posters....

 

[Bronze]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

It depends on who is using it. Of course, in general, the perception of EMS > SM sensing.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

Sensing is automatic though, and it ultimately depends on the range of the sensor.

 

[adeshina365]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

It depends on who is using it. Of course, in general, the perception of EMS > SM sensing.

True, I'll specify this for Naruto specifically.

 

[-immortal-]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

yes i agree

 

[ANiMUS]

Sasuke was able to perceive Obito's speed, but Naruto had to judge it by timing

Sasuke's perception> Naruto's sensing

 

[Murasame]

Sasuke react to Madara? I don't really remember Madara trying to attack him in that exchange.

 

[-immortal-]

Sasuke react to Madara? I don't really remember Madara trying to attack him in that exchange.

i think he does not equally means reaction. but madara could sense sasuke abilitie. sasuke could it him even madara had sm meaning EMS/sasuke is better then the reaction system of SM

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke react to Madara? I don't really remember Madara trying to attack him in that exchange.

He reacted to Madara's attempts at dodging.

Precognition/Sensing works for both offensive and defensive situations.

 

[EternalFlame]

I think potentially Precognition is very OP.

 

[adeshina365]

I think potentially Precognition is very OP.

Very true.

Soon enough Sasuke will have the ability to differentiate clones from the original (if he doesn't already). This was foreshadowed through Madara; not even the Byakugan can do that.

 

[Murasame]

He reacted to Madara's attempts at dodging.

Precognition/Sensing works for both offensive and defensive situations.

Oh okay I see but yes I suppose I agree.. I think EMS grants better precognitive abilities than MS or 3 tomoe.

 

[Champ]

Blind guy > Sage mode sensing

 

[adeshina365]

Re: EMS (Mature) Precognition >>> SM Sensing

It should also be mentioned that the fact that Sasuke's EMS is a choku tomoe type helps him greatly.

 

[warlee]

I would prefer sm sensing any day of the week. Ems precog is limited in many ways.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uh, no. Sasuke never reacted to Madara's speed as Madara never tried to blitz Sasuke nor did he use Shunshin against him, he was evading all his moves and let him stab his arm so he could grab a hold of his sword and stop him. Him reacting to Madara's dodging attempts doesn't mean he can react to his Shunshin the same way, not when one is obviously faster than the other.

Also, Naruto was able to put up a guard so he wasn't able to evade but he clearly reacted.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

SM naruto was not defeated by blind madara (-.-') infact SM naruto attacked him recklessly as naruto thought that madara was blind

SM's sensing relates to BODY unlike EMS , EMS's Sensing relates to EYES

IF you are talking about sensing then SM naruto was able to sense and attack blind madara

 

[AGoodBoy]

Re: EMS (Mature, Choku Tomoe?) Precognition >>> SM (Naruto) Sensing

Sharingan's perceptive abilities >>>> everything else in the manga. As long as the sharingan can see it, it will break down it's details to see perfectly how an object is moving and where it is.

Sage mode, however, has an advantage over sharingan. Unlike sharingan which needs line of sight to pre-cog, sage mode/sending just requires the person to possess a presence that nature can feel. So no matter if they're in mexico and naruto is in australia, he can still sense them.

Advantages of sharingan
Best pre-cog
See chakra
copy jutsu

disadvantage
needs line of sight

advantages of sage mode/rinnegan/byakugan over sharingan
Users have a 360 degree field of perception. Pre-cog can happen anywhere around them
The Lino of sight of the user far exceeds the sharingan.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Also, Naruto was able to put up a guard so he wasn't able to evade but he clearly reacted.

Naruto didnt put any guard, there wasnt even an exclamation point that usually indicates one's awareness of something.
Sasuke's speed and movements matched that of SM madara and he was able to land a hit on superior sensor with just a sword.

Naruto's failure to react is clear evidence of speed madara possesses, while sasuke was able to catch SM version of him all of that due to EMS which even madara recognizes.

advantages of sage mode/rinnegan/byakugan over sharingan
Users have a 360 degree field of perception. Pre-cog can happen anywhere around them
The Lino of sight of the user far exceeds the sharingan.

Sharingan was hinted to have superior vision and even ability to augment the zoom to the point nano scale is visible.
There is an disadvantage to SM. In environment of many other targets its harder to focus and track single target only.
Sensing every1 in vast area doesnt equal high level discrimination and tracking of a target.