Tl;dr; I already agree deid > kisame anyway.
what i would like to add is that it's pointless restricting C0. It won't even work on kisame. Kisame's body in general absorbs chakra so C0 would be negated.
As for the Waterdome. A simply argument is that deid creates a C1 (fast) fish and swims upwards with it, launching C2 fish at kisame the entire. Eventually deid will reach the top and can pop out and create a bird to fly away. It's that simple. From there, Kisame's his ***** since he can launch clay fish into the dome to keep bombarding kisame while kisame can do nothing but eventually drop the dome. That's all assuming water dome ever even catches Deid in the first place since he's an aerial fighter... Even if he does get caught, deid should be more than half way up the water dome while kisame has to start playing catchup from near the bottom.
Deidara is not getting out. Kisame is far faster and the dome follows him where he goes. If he goes in, he should be prepared to sacrifice himself.
Doesn't matter if he won't, Kisame can bomb him with water missiles. The clay would blow up meaning Deidara has no place in air anymore unless he uses a mini-bird. Although while in the air, Kisame can reform the used water into smaller ones.
Hahah! thanks mate, of course there are things to be countered and there is probably holes in my logic
Creating the explosion takes chakra the blast itself isnt made of chakra, its the result of chakra exploding. in other words after it explodes its just an explosion.
the rest is agreed but some people dont yet understand this, but thats fine.
Deidara is not getting out. Kisame is far faster and the dome follows him where he goes. If he goes in, he should be prepared to sacrifice himself.
Doesn't matter if he won't, Kisame can bomb him with water missiles. The clay would blow up meaning Deidara has no place in air anymore unless he uses a mini-bird. Although while in the air, Kisame can reform the used water into smaller ones.
Kisame is faster than what? Deid's C1 fish? Proof? Because deid's C1 clay are canonically extremely quick. That's right, you have no proof that kisame can catch up to a C1 fish while dodging explosions from C2 fish.
Kisame can't use jutsu while doing water dome. It's impractical, illogical, and fanfiction. Do you think the water just follows him because? You think water sits in a dome fashion naturally? Clearly every drop of water in that dome is being manipulated to sustain the dome form. In other word, WD is sustained jutsu. Has kisame ever shown to be able to do 2 jutsu at once? No. Nothing suggests he can do a jutsu while using up his chakra and focus to sustain water dome. That's like looking left and right at the same time, and manga already said that the only way around that is shadow clones.
Therefore, everything in that paragraph is void. Inside water dome, all kisame can do is dodge or tank incoming missles. He's not firing jutsu at them, nor is his waterdome following him up into the atmosphere, that doesn't make sense. That last sentence... I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
People don't realize how powerful Deidara really is. Lets look at the size of his explosions. First of all, this is Deidara on top of the Shī Tsū Dragon. The head, itself, is much, much bigger than Deidara, himself.
-> Example #1.
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Looking at the size of the Dragon, we can easily see that it's pretty much Bijū sized even though a Bijū is probably a bit bigger. [
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-> The size of the explosion created by a small portion of the Dragon's tail [
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Notice how much smaller is the Dragon compared to the explosion even though the Dragon is basically Bijū sized. This explosion is clearly huge and maybe even bigger than Kisame's Dome itself even though it's roughly the same size when we compare the trees (and the mountains) to both the explosion and the water dome. [
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My point here is; what happens when one of these drops down into Kisame's Water Dome and explodes? Will Kisame survive? It's doubtful;
-> What happens to you when you are underwater and an explosive detonates in the same water nearby? [
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If you stood at the same range to an underwater explosion, the pressure wave would probably kill you [source: Landsberg]. When the wave reached your skin, it would pass through you. After all, little of its power would be reflected because your body's density is similar to that of the water. The wave would hit the air-filled pockets of your body and instantly compress the gases there, possibly resulting in blocked blood vessels, ruptured lungs, torn internal tissues and even brain hemorrhaging. Waves hitting the surface of the water or the bottom of the pool would bounce back, inflicting even more damage.
Water is extremely difficult to compress; it doesn't absorb pressure -- pressure just makes it move. An underwater explosion doesn't throw shrapnel or objects as far as a land explosion, but the pressure it exerts is far stronger, and travels over a longer distance.
I would say Deidara would take this due to the fact that he has that nasty clay justu in which enters your blood stream, and turn you to a living bomb basically. No need to over complicate things further then it should be...
People don't realize how powerful Deidara really is. Lets look at the size of his explosions. First of all, this is Deidara on top of the Shī Tsū Dragon. The head, itself, is much, much bigger than Deidara, himself.
-> Example #1.
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-> Example #2.
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Looking at the size of the Dragon, we can easily see that it's pretty much Bijū sized even though a Bijū is probably a bit bigger. [
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] We can also come to this conclusion by looking at Jiraiya on top of Gamabunta's head. [
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] We know that Gamabunta is Bijū sized and now we know that the Dragon is pretty much Bijū sized as well so let me get to the main point now.
-> The size of the explosion created by a small portion of the Dragon's tail [
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Notice how much smaller is the Dragon compared to the explosion even though the Dragon is basically Bijū sized. This explosion is clearly huge and maybe even bigger than Kisame's Dome itself even though it's roughly the same size when we compare the trees (and the mountains) to both the explosion and the water dome. [
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My point here is; what happens when one of these drops down into Kisame's Water Dome and explodes? Will Kisame survive? It's doubtful;
-> What happens to you when you are underwater and an explosive detonates in the same water nearby? [
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-> Explosions are stronger underwater? Yes. [
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Not only do they travel over a longer distance, the explosions are stronger as well. This has even been shown in the manga itself, seeing as how;
a) A single Shī Wan Fish could knock out an armored Bijū. [
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b) A single Shī Wan Jellyfish could flip over a huge turtle island [
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Kisame's survival is extremely doubtful.
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Now let me ask; What do you think happens when;
-> One of these drop down and detonate inside Kisame's water dome?
This is basically re-enforcing my argument. I thought it was common knowledge abut the fish bombs but people dont realize how powerful his C1 bombs actually are. If the C1 fish doesnt kill him the C2 fish does.
I would say Deidara would take this due to the fact that he has that nasty clay justu in which enters your blood stream, and turn you to a living bomb basically. No need to over complicate things further then it should be...
I didn't read. Me and AC already thought this, and we had a discussion on it. Nothing Kisame has will take out Deidara on his clay bird. GSB is a linear attack which requires a water source, and Deidara can easily avoid that jutsu. C3 inside the water dome finishes this.
I didn't read. Me and AC already thought this, and we had a discussion on it. Nothing Kisame has will take out Deidara on his clay bird. GSB is a linear attack which requires a water source, and Deidara can easily avoid that jutsu. C3 inside the water dome finishes this.
As long as you know this is a fact then thats fine. I have said this already but the current argument is that Kisame stops it or the bombs cant hurt kisame in the water OR even Deidara gets traped in Water dome. No legit uncountable arguments of yet.
As long as you know this is a fact then thats fine. I have said this already but the current argument is that Kisame stops it or the bombs cant hurt kisame in the water OR even Deidara gets traped in Water dome. No legit uncountable arguments of yet.
How does Kisame stop C3? It has way to much chakra in it to absorb it before it goes off, and the pressure from the blast makes it more lethal under water. The clay bird easily gets out of the dome.
How does Kisame stop C3? It has way to much chakra in it to absorb it before it goes off, and the pressure from the blast makes it more lethal under water. The clay bird easily gets out of the dome.
Exactly what i said in the threadand Deidara would get trapped in the dome anyway, hes in the air. He flies away as kisame struggles to catch up to him
Kisame fused with Samehada while in the water dome is faster than Kirabi(killer b).
Deidara isn't anywhere close to this level of speed.
Deidara isn't going to hit Kisame with any bombs, and the water dome will protect him from C4 because water isn't organic.
The explosions are made of chakra, just like any other jutsu and should be able to be absorbed. Maybe not the whole explosion but enough for Kisame to heal himself from any damages it may cause.
Kisame cannot touch Deidara while deidara is flying on his dragon, as long as he is high enough. Kisame still has a chance to take him out with his many different projectile jutsus.
I say it would end in a stalemate, but that Kisame is a higher tier ninja.
I put him right below Nagato on my ranking of the Akatsuki.
Kisame fused with Samehada while in the water dome is faster than Kirabi(killer b).
Deidara isn't anywhere close to this level of speed.
Deidara isn't going to hit Kisame with any bombs, and the water dome will protect him from C4 because water isn't organic.
The explosions are made of chakra, just like any other jutsu and should be able to be absorbed. Maybe not the whole explosion but enough for Kisame to heal himself from any damages it may cause.
Kisame cannot touch Deidara while deidara is flying on his dragon, as long as he is high enough. Kisame still has a chance to take him out with his many different projectile jutsus.
I say it would end in a stalemate, but that Kisame is a higher tier ninja.
I put him right below Nagato on my ranking of the Akatsuki.
Big difference between Bee and Deidara, Deidara can fly, Bee cant and Bee was swimming. Kisamehada is known to be the fastest in water but he will NOT TRAP DEIDARA IN THE DOME!!!which is what iv'e been saying for a while. Its been proven that he is as fast as Oonki when flying.
The bombs sink into the water, he has fish C1 bombs able to injure a biju. SOOOO...
He has no chance of Take deidara out in air, hes too slippery and even gaara struggled to catch him
The bombs are made of chakra he isnt absorbing the blast because the explosion itself isnt made of chakra, just the bomb
I totally agree with this, and Also I'd like to add that water dome is a non factor, since those clay bombs can be shaped, nothing stops deidara from making bombs such as this.
I totally agree with this, and Also I'd like to add that water dome is a non factor, since those clay bombs can be shaped, nothing stops deidara from making bombs such as this.
