Orochimaru isn't on Itachi's level; he never will be.

[Smd]

I sense some disdain for Orochimaru. Are you upset?
Anyway, that was Part 1, when Orochimaru and had no arms. I can use extremely outdated pages and call them facts too.

The battle where Orochimaru didn't want to physically harm Itachi, as he was going to have him as a host? And again, Part 1.

3rd, yes he did. Can't argue that. However, yet again, that was in the past. We're in the 650s or so, not the 300s.

Edo Hokages put him on the level of Itachi, and very possibly higher than that. If you don't share that opinion, oh well. If you do, swell. Either way, this thread seems to have been made out of spite and the logic is flawed. But, ya know, oh well.

the only flawed logic here is yours.

Itachi> orochimaru

as proven like 3 times

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Oh you're such a gentleman.

Itachi is a tier or two ahead of all the Sannin. They're not on the same tier. And please do not mention that Jiraiya situation. Itachi was a spy and protector of Konoha, so you wouldn't actually believe he'd engage Konoha's most respected and powerful guardian in battle would you? By the way, I made this thread with the intention of scaling them on a personal level, not an overall level. And Itachi takes the cake.

Ah well that's a different matter entirely, one I don't know/care about any character involved enough to get involved in . I'll leave that debate to other people. Plus that definitely wasn't what you were going for in the original post. This threads too fixated on Oro/Itachi 1v1 and cool edgy insults to actually put a point like that across.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

I sense some disdain for Orochimaru. Are you upset?
Anyway, that was Part 1, when Orochimaru and had no arms. I can use extremely outdated pages and call them facts too.

The battle where Orochimaru didn't want to physically harm Itachi, as he was going to have him as a host? And again, Part 1.

3rd, yes he did. Can't argue that. However, yet again, that was in the past. We're in the 650s or so, not the 300s.

Edo Hokages put him on the level of Itachi, and very possibly higher than that. If you don't share that opinion, oh well. If you do, swell. Either way, this thread seems to have been made out of spite and the logic is flawed. But, ya know, oh well.

Nothing outdated about a 50 year old Orochimaru admitting he's inferior. This obviously addressed their strength in general, not because he had no arms. Lol, Oro lost to Itachi with arms. Come on now. Right, part 1. Itachi eliminated the lad with a 3T, yes, 3T. Not even his full power, so I could make the same argument. Itachi could of killed Orochimaru there and then, but he didn't. All this Orochimaru didn't go all out talk is rather false, as neither did Itachi. Logic is not flawed, Oro is below Itachi. Simple facts from the manga. All I've gotten so far is 'wank' accusations, no one's actually made a convincing argument.

Hey, don't be a d*ck- I was just being polite- it's a social forum idiot, just because you don't know basic forum etiquette doesn't mean I can't talk to people. Buddies? Literally never spoken to Godly before in my life, ain't even an Oro fan. And that's significant because it seems I might be the only person in this thread who isn't massively biased. Both characters I could take or leave.



Yeah, like telling guys across the globe how strong your favourite anime characters are and insulting fictional characters.

Does your first comment sound polite? Damn son, you're a legend at contradicting yourself, aren't you? All you've actually told me in this post in that you're hurting inside. Would you like some tissues.

Except, I didn't. I just told you guys he's stronger than Oro. That simple, don't expand it.

 

[HiddenSound]

the only flawed logic here is yours.

Itachi> orochimaru

as proven like 3 times

Mhm. In the past. It's like me saying Sound 4 > Sasuke because they beat him in the past too. People improve.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Mhm. In the past. It's like me saying Sound 4 > Sasuke because they beat him in the past too. People improve.

Yes, because a Zetsu body is putting him above Itachi.

 

[HiddenSound]

Yes, because a Zetsu body is putting him above Itachi.

No. 3 Edo Hokages are. Again, you're using outdated "proof" when Orochimaru's has obviously improved. If anything, you're just pissed and mad because you're so deep in your own opinion, which some people disagree with. I'm not the one insulting the characters out of frustration.

 

[Joker]

No. 3 Edo Hokages are. Again, you're using outdated "proof" when Orochimaru's has obviously improved. If anything, you're just pissed and mad because you're so deep in your own opinion, which some people disagree with. I'm not the one insulting the characters out of frustration.

Damn, what the hell? HiddenSound is merkin'

 

[Europa]

Incredibly wrong. Orochimaru has always had some form of handicap when facing Itachi and still never thought him a threat enough to kill him. That is, if you decide to disregard the fact that we have yet to see a majority of Orochimaru's jutsu arsenal whereas Itachi is a nearly written book.

Fact of the matter is; Going by feats Itachi is stronger. No shocker. But, with Orochimaru now be able to perform ninjutsu once more and with a body that at the least supplies him with more chakra don't be shocked when/if he pulls out ninjutsu that makes him such a fearsome shinobi.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

No. 3 Edo Hokages are. Again, you're using outdated "proof" when Orochimaru's has obviously improved. If anything, you're just pissed and mad because you're so deep in your own opinion, which some people disagree with. I'm not the one insulting the characters out of frustration.

Edo Tensei puts him at the top of the list, bar Madara and Juubito. On a personal scale though, Itachi destroys Orochimaru. That's what I'm arguing. Please do not go there; I've not shown to be mad at all -- the only mad ones are the butthurt fanboys like yourself and your little band making accusations and insults towards me. If I insult another character, does that involve you? Are you that protective over your darling? Come on man, lol.

Incredibly wrong. Orochimaru has always had some form of handicap when facing Itachi and still never thought him a threat enough to kill him. That is, if you decide to disregard the fact that we have yet to see a majority of Orochimaru's jutsu arsenal whereas Itachi is a nearly written book.

Fact of the matter is; Going by feats Itachi is stronger. No shocker. But, with Orochimaru now be able to perform ninjutsu once more and with a body that at the least supplies him with more chakra don't be shocked when/if he pulls out ninjutsu that makes him such a fearsome shinobi.

Like I told hidden sound, I can make the same argument for Itachi.

In their first bout, Itachi opted to use a mere 3T. Yet he still eliminated Orochimaru with the utmost ease. In their second confrontation, Itachi was nigh blind and was literally a walking dead man. Yet his Susano'o still got the job done. If Oro was healthy, what would change? Itachi has shown to counter Oro's abilities in and out -- and in some way they both handicapped themselves.

I'll agree to this when Oro does back out more feats. Because all I ever see from him are some form of snake summonings. For a man who studied forbidden jutsu most of his life, I'm pretty disappointed tbh.

 

[Europa]

If this is all you can come back and say; I see no reason to continue. You make no effort to further look into and understand things that aren't blatently stated in the manga.

Orochimaru's body is incredibly weak during the final stages of it's life, when he must shed it. To the point where he felt it was better to weaken Sasuke in his true form rather than engage him in his false body (Which he felt comfortable enough doing to a rampaging Jinchuriki). Naturally he didn't have the needed strength to take Itachi at the time, nor did he want to kill him yet. harming his body would hinder Orochimaru's plans.

 

[HiddenSound]

Edo Tensei puts him at the top of the list, bar Madara and Juubito. On a personal scale though, Itachi destroys Orochimaru. That's what I'm arguing. Please do not go there; I've not shown to be mad at all -- the only mad ones are the butthurt fanboys like yourself and your little band making accusations and insults towards me. If I insult another character, does that involve you? Are you that protective over your darling? Come on man, lol.

@bold, that's nice.
And @ 2nd bold, scathing.
And perhaps "on a personal level" he does. I never said he didn't, if we exclude Edo Tensei. But I guess you've jumped to conclusions about me.
Anywho, I associate the need to call the characters names with frustration. You seem to be frustrated, enough to make a thread about this.
Tell me where I insulted you? By calling out your frustration? If you think that's an insult, you're incredibly sensitive.

I find myself saying this a lot, what will it matter in 5 minutes? What are you trying to prove? Are you trying to get the people who already thought this before reading your thread to agree with you?

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

If this is all you can come back and say; I see no reason to continue. You make no effort to further look into and understand things that aren't blatently stated in the manga.

Orochimaru's body is incredibly weak during the final stages of it's life, when he must shed it. To the point where he felt it was better to weaken Sasuke in his true form rather than engage him in his false body (Which he felt comfortable enough doing to a rampaging Jinchuriki). Naturally he didn't have the needed strength to take Itachi at the time, nor did he want to kill him yet. harming his body would hinder Orochimaru's plans.

Likewise, to be honest. The arguments supporting are Oro are weak at best. This thread obviously goes off the basis on what has been already shown in the manga; otherwise everything else is mere assumption. Because really, we can't determine what Oro does and doesn't have. So Orochimaru's intentions were not to kill Itachi, what's your point? He literally got the jump on Itachi, and still failed in front of an inexperienced 3T. It's like people forget Itachi was 11. Let's be honest for just a second, at this stage, everything points towards Itachi being the undisputed superior. In portrayal (Orochimaru admitted this) and in battle.

@bold, that's nice.
And @ 2nd bold, scathing.
And perhaps "on a personal level" he does. I never said he didn't, if we exclude Edo Tensei. But I guess you've jumped to conclusions about me.
Anywho, I associate the need to call the characters names with frustration. You seem to be frustrated, enough to make a thread about this.
Tell me where I insulted you? By calling out your frustration? If you think that's an insult, you're incredibly sensitive.

I find myself saying this a lot, what will it matter in 5 minutes? What are you trying to prove? Are you trying to get the people who already thought this before reading your thread to agree with you?

Fair enough. You've jumped to conclusions on the fact I dislike Orochimaru and my intentions on this thread. Wrong on both. Wouldn't be calling that card if I were you. Lol, I was talking about the other two, never mind you.

What will anything matter in five minutes. Ask yourself that. This is to kill time.

 

[Europa]

Lol. Inexperienced Sharingan user? Alright then. That line alone pretty much makes me realize how pointless conversing this with you would be.

 

[Bronze]

People think Orochimaru will be performing Edo Tensie when Itachi will one shot him with Genjutsu right away before he can do anything. Itachi beats him low diff with ET or not.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Lol. Inexperienced Sharingan user? Alright then. That line alone pretty much makes me realize how pointless conversing this with you would be.

Perhaps I should of said not fully seasoned. Don't forget he was 11.

Sounds like an excuse to leave if you ask me.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

numbers, I understand you don't like Itachi, and imma take a wild guess on why that is;

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Go back to wanking Kabuto and Mei, and do so while knowing Itachi made your favourite his pet dragon.



I disagree.



How mature of you; I take it you know I've said nothing but facts seeing as you've either gone off topic or told me I failed

If you insist on questioning the maturity of others, be sure to set the correct example.



OT: In the present time of the manga, Orochimaru has all of his old, and quite frankly unseen, jutsu as well as the control of 3 Hokage (excluding Hashirama) and Snake Summons. It would seem in my opinion that Orochimaru has an overall power advantage.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

You should go back to mock debates instead of trying this stuff.

Why? Because no one can provide a proper argument and are blinded by their love towards Orochimaru? No thanks.

If you insist on questioning the maturity of others, be sure to set the correct example.



OT: In the present time of the manga, Orochimaru has all of his old, and quite frankly unseen, jutsu as well as the control of 3 Hokage (excluding Hashirama) and Snake Summons. It would seem in my opinion that Orochimaru has an overall power advantage.

Stop trying to act the hero, lmfao. That was clear sarcasm.

 

[HiddenSound]

Why? Because no one can provide a proper argument and are blinded by their love towards Orochimaru? No thanks.

Coming from the guy using pages from 300 chapters ago, that doesn't mean much.
Either way, you said Orochimaru with Edo Tensei beats Itachi. So I'm glad you agree with me. Pretty pointless conversation, now that I think about it.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Coming from the guy using pages from 300 chapters ago, that doesn't mean much.
Either way, you said Orochimaru with Edo Tensei beats Itachi. So I'm glad you agree with me. Pretty pointless conversation, now that I think about it.

Manga is manga, your point is irrelevant. The best arguments from you guys is "that was old, this is different". Lol, come on now.

 

[HiddenSound]

Manga is manga, your point is irrelevant. The best arguments from you guys is "that was old, this is different". Lol, come on now.

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Sound 4 > Sasuke. Don't bother arguing because manga is manga even though this happened 100s of chapters ago and Sasuke has vastly improved since then.