Minato VS Orochimaru

[Joker]

even if we give him those jutsus, he still lose. Minato is just out of his league.

Elaborate, what jutsu in Minato's arsenal could effectively hurt Orochimaru? What does Minato have, to put him down?

 

[Nattana]

even if we give him those jutsus, he still lose. Minato is just out of his league.

That's why Hiruzen wanted Orochimaru to become a Hokage instead of Minato, right?

 

[Ababeel]

Elaborate, what jutsu in Minato's arsenal could effectively hurt Orochimaru? What does Minato have, to put him down?

His sealing jutsu and speed.

That's why Hiruzen wanted Orochimaru to become a Hokage instead of Minato, right?

No, that's why he wanted him to annihilate Oro when he attacked konoha. Also, it's Hiruzen who choose Minato
instead of oro.

 

[Draegod]

I think it all depends how much Oral Rebirth Oro can do currently.

Oral rebirth was spammed 4-5 times (could of been used more but didnt need to) when he was sick at his limit near death. Use your imagination what Senju DNA can do to him healthy with both arms!...

Plus OR doesn't need to be spammed, he can heal and reconnect with out it no difficulty.

 

[Joker]

His sealing jutsu and speed.



No, that's why he wanted him to annihilate Oro when he attacked konoha. Also, it's Hiruzen who choose Minato
instead of oro.

His speed might be countered by Orochimaru's paralysis jutsu, if Minato is in range, plus Orochimaru has Fujinjutsu too, FPS - Which seals the users chakra control so effectively, they can't even stand on water.

 

[Nattana]

No, that's why he wanted him to annihilate Oro when he attacked konoha. Also, it's Hiruzen who choose Minato
instead of oro.

It was Anko not Hiruzen to have suggested that Minato would be the only one to at least TRY stopping Orochimaru.
And Hiruzen wanted Orochimaru to become a Hokage, he just couldn't do that because of what Oro had done.

 

[Shinozgr8]

Orochimaru, no debate. Why?

1. Nothing in Minato's arsenal of jutsu can KILL orochimaru.
2. Orochimaru was hiruzen's first choice pick for hokage...THEN jiraiya. THEN minato. That being said, this was Orochimaru back before he joined akatsuki and before he showcased his forbidden techniques. And yet, Hiruzen was positive he would be the best choice for hokage even though he knew of Minato's FTG. So put 2 and 2 together, Hiruzen indirectly says oro > minato.
3. Snakes always beat the toad...manda > gamabunta
4. Orochimaru's sealing jutsu can/will halt minato's flow of chakra, including the 9tails he still has inside of him. (i think he still has it anyway)
5. Leech all creation would make it impossible for Minato to land a critical blow with what little effective jutsu he has against oro. Throw in the Rebirth technique, and there's no way Orochimaru is dying.

That's only a few reasons.

 

[Ababeel]

His speed might be countered by Orochimaru's paralysis jutsu, if Minato is in range, plus Orochimaru has Fujinjutsu too, FPS - Which seals the users chakra control so effectively, they can't even stand on water.

- Oro couldn't counter itachi's speed and he was defeated by a Kunai, how is he going to counter Minato's?
- How is he going to catch Minato to seal him in the first place?

It was Anko not Hiruzen to have suggested that Minato would be the only one to at least TRY stopping Orochimaru.
And Hiruzen wanted Orochimaru to become a Hokage, he just couldn't do that because of what Oro had done.

1- And Hiruzen agreed, and it was not about trying, please understand the context properly.
2- So? At the end of the day Minato was the one who became the Hokage. Also, that does not prove anything
in the first place. Kakashi was chosen to be the Hokage instead of Naruto even though Naruto is stronger than him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oral rebirth was spammed 4-5 times (could of been used more but didnt need to) when he was sick at his limit near death. Use your imagination what Senju DNA can do to him healthy with both arms!...

Plus OR doesn't need to be spammed, he can heal and reconnect with out it no difficulty.

So we can rationalize that he can do it about 10?

His speed might be countered by Orochimaru's paralysis jutsu, if Minato is in range, plus Orochimaru has Fujinjutsu too, FPS - Which seals the users chakra control so effectively, they can't even stand on water.

To be fair, his seal block was ONLY meant to effect 4th seal on Naruto:

A demonic seal carved to disturb the Kyuubi's power~~

To disturb the effect of the "Four Images Seal" the Yondaime Hokage performed on Naruto, Orochimaru sealed Naruto once more. Because the "Five Element Seal," an odd-numbered seal, was put on top of the even-numbered "Four Images Seal"**, the Kyuubi's chakra was prevented from returning to Naruto. From then on, Naruto's own chakra and that of the Kyuubi's became jumbled and Naruto lost the ability to skilfully control it.

 

[Draegod]

- Oro couldn't counter itachi's speed and he was defeated by a Kunai, how is he going to counter Minato's?
- How is he going to catch Minato to seal him in the first place?



1- And Hiruzen agreed, and it was not about trying, please understand the context properly.
2- So? At the end of the day Minato was the one who became the Hokage. Also, that does not prove anything
in the first place. Kakashi was chosen to be the Hokage instead of Naruto even though Naruto is stronger than him.

Speed? lmao You mean Genjutsu.

 

[Draegod]

So we can rationalize that he can do it about 10?








To be fair, his seal block was ONLY meant to effect 4th seal on Naruto:

A demonic seal carved to disturb the Kyuubi's power~~

To disturb the effect of the "Four Images Seal" the Yondaime Hokage performed on Naruto, Orochimaru sealed Naruto once more. Because the "Five Element Seal," an odd-numbered seal, was put on top of the even-numbered "Four Images Seal"**, the Kyuubi's chakra was prevented from returning to Naruto. From then on, Naruto's own chakra and that of the Kyuubi's became jumbled and Naruto lost the ability to skilfully control it.

10 regular healthy maybe, 16-20 with senju dna for sure!

 

[Ababeel]

Speed? lmao You mean Genjutsu.

Oro was trying to release himself and itachi attacked him directly with his Kunai. Also, Oro was not even able to
dodge 3tails Naruto when he attacked him.

 

[Shura]

Doesn't Orochimaru have Nidaime Manda now?

@On-Topic. Personally, I believe Orochimaru can take this.​

 

[Joker]

- Oro couldn't counter itachi's speed and he was defeated by a Kunai, how is he going to counter Minato's?
- How is he going to catch Minato to seal him in the first place?



1- And Hiruzen agreed, and it was not about trying, please understand the context properly.
2- So? At the end of the day Minato was the one who became the Hokage. Also, that does not prove anything
in the first place. Kakashi was chosen to be the Hokage instead of Naruto even though Naruto is stronger than him.

Orochimaru was in a genjutsu, that's different. I said, if Minato is in range, and Orochimaru has time, he can paralyze him, followed with chakra absorbtion vis touching; or ZS.

 

[Ababeel]

Orochimaru was in a genjutsu, that's different. I said, if Minato is in range, and Orochimaru has time, he can paralyze him, followed with chakra absorbtion vis touching; or ZS.

1- The Paralyze is from the poison in oro's white snake's blood IIRC, so if he survived till then he might be able to do so. However, Minato's clones can use their FTG to change places.

2- FTG can teleport him from that, or clones to change the places. Not to mention if Minato touched him he's done for.

Edit:
I think drawing scenarios won't get us anyway, you will make everything in Oro's favor and the
opposite here...etc. I believe the manga made it very cleat the Minato is stronger than Oro, and
since I don't like to debate for too long, I guess we will agree to disagree.

Thank you.

 

[Europa]

I see few ways of Orochimaru winning other then out lasting Minato. And with Senju DNA, it is a possibility.

 

[Nattana]

1- The Paralyze is from the poison in oro's white snake's blood IIRC, so if he survived till then he might be able to do so.
However, Minato's clones can use their FTG to change places.

2- FTG can teleport him from that, or clones to change the places. Not to mention if Minato touched him he's done for.

I'm pretty sure he meant Temporary Paralysis Technique lol.

 

[Joker]

1- The Paralyze is from the poison in oro's white snake's blood IIRC, so if he survived till then he might be able to do so. However, Minato's clones can use their FTG to change places.

2- FTG can teleport him from that, or clones to change the places. Not to mention if Minato touched him he's done for.

Edit:
I think drawing scenarios won't get us anyway, you will make everything in Oro's favor and the
opposite here...etc. I believe the manga made it very cleat the Minato is stronger than Oro, and
since I don't like to debate for too long, I guess we will agree to disagree.

Thank you.

Seals are countered by OR, the manga in no way said Minato was stronger, all it said was that he could compete with him.

 

[Nattana]

Seals are countered by OR, the manga in no way said Minato was stronger, all it said was that he could compete with him.

Mind you that back then Hiruzen didn't know about 90% of Oro's Kinjutsu and other things he had been doing secretly.

 

[Joker]

Mind you that back then Hiruzen didn't know about 90% of Oro's Kinjutsu and other things he had been doing secretly.

Exactly, he didn't even know Orochimaru had the Kusanagi, or ET. People referencing Hiruzen's statement, are simply grasping for straws, smh.