The Kamui Dimension

[Filo]

you again with your japanese mythologies.!!

and did you know, sage of six path is not an uzumaki.!! xd

im sure you read the manga but just checking, if by any change to skipped the part where he was not an uzumaki.!!

they are so naive... kishi could not come out and say sage was an uzumaki it would give away the ending if he plans on making naruto everyone'es savior so he developed an ancestor clan name

 

[Senju Bean]

First and foremost, it is not Madara's power, it is the power of the Shinju, all these divine powers came from the Divine Tree.

Remember that Kishimoto's interview points to the return of the Juubi, humanity must make amends for his transgressions for stealing its Chakra. Moral didacticism entails the Juubi taking the main role.

I get what you are saying, that the moral theme is more important than any epic showdown. In Star Wars, this worked quite well when Darth Vader sacificed himself to Kill Emperor Palpatine. This worked because the Genre, while focused on epic showdowns, is known more for it's serious themes.

But in a manga that is already very DBZish, where plot and moral theme weigh less than displaying cool battles and techniques, I think Madara should ascend to the highest power possible and then be one upped by someone else. At least that is my preference for this style of manga.

The Juubi can still take the main role, I agree with that, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of not giving Madara a certain level of respect that any badass villain deserves.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I get what you are saying, that the moral theme is more important than any epic showdown. In Star Wars, this worked quite well when Darth Vader sacificed himself to Kill Emperor Palpatine. This worked because the Genre, while focused on epic showdowns, is known more for it's serious themes.

But in a manga that is already very DBZish, where plot and moral theme weigh less than displaying cool battles and techniques, I think Madara should ascend to the highest power possible and then be one upped by someone else. At least that is my preference for this style of manga.

The Juubi can still take the main role, I agree with that, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of not giving Madara a certain level of respect that any badass villain deserves.

It is Kishimoto's style to give an infirmity to an antagonist to even the playing field (eg: Juubi's Jin being vulnerable to Senjutsu) the loss of Madara's left eye would be the perfect device to infirm him.

Madara, like Obito, will be redeemed, the Hashirama flashback was a plot vehicle to humanize Madara, and redemption naturally follows humanization. and like Obito, Madara must be weakened and humbled before repenting, and the Shinju would be the perfect character to do that

Kishimoto introduced the Shinju backstory as a plot point of how humanity transgressed this divinity for stealing its powers, we know that it is Kishimoto's style of writing to introduce Apocatastasis, the reunification of the human and the divine, also it would leave a gaping plot hole if the Juubi does not return again: why did it see Rikūdou in Naruto? Why was it targeting Naruto when it was controlling Obito? these plot points can only be expounded upon by the character who experienced it itself: The Juubi

 

[xishma]

i think somehow he will be able to bring back the dead SA shinobies. that's how i felt from the time i realized he is obito. although he tried it once and failed, but i think he will do it again.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

A dimension consisting of cubes was likely inspired by a tesseract, or a hypercube if you will, which is a representation of the fourth dimension. It is a spacetime tech after all.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

A dimension consisting of cubes was likely inspired by a tesseract, or a hypercube if you will, which is a representation of the fourth dimension.

That's quite a misnomer, the Kamui world is an "alternate universe/dimension" the fourth dimension you are referring to is a part of Minkowski's spacetime model for General Relativity, it's not an alternate universe so to speak.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

That's quite a misnomer, the Kamui world is an "alternate universe/dimension" the fourth dimension you are referring to is a part of Minkowski's spacetime model for General Relativity, it's not an alternate universe so to speak.

It's ok Derp, it's not a criticism. I am just saying that Kishimoto's inspiration for another dimension was probably based on an object used to illustrate another dimension. Kinda makes sense don't you think?

 

[Xāvî1]

this is a very likely theory

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Shinju FTW nuff said

 

[Flawž]

Yes indeed. I think this is quite plausible.

 

[ROSH2]

seem legit bro

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Very much possible .

 

[Takos]

The Kamui Dimension's architectural design was modeled after Japanese Graveyards:

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We know that Obito (like any redeemed character in Naruto) will have the chance to redeem himself one last time and foil the antagonist's (Madara) plan

Obito's death is inevitable, however I can't imagine Obito leaving a corpse behind in the battlefield that Kakashi can bury afterwards, it is likely that he's going to die inside the Kamui Dimension locking Black Zetsu and the Rinnegan with his corpse forever, foiling Madara's plan one last time.

He wouldn't lock it forever. Madara could still regain it if he got Kakashi's MS, which would give him access to Kamui's dimension.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Here are some more representations of a tesseract.

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The rotation meant to represent both time and space is very similar to Obito's ability to phase all or portions of his body to a 4th dimension (spacetime), while still being visible from a 3 dimensional perspective.

 

[Filo]

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wait a second? Hmmmm

 

[BlinkST]

Until Madara summons him back.

 

[Penguin]

This is pretty great. I don't know how you found this Lol!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Obviously obito still has something to do. I'm guessing he will somehow overpower black zetsu and absorb madara before destroying his eyes, or something like that.

Also, Kamuiland looks more like the holocaust memorial in berlin IMO

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Here are some more representations of a tesseract.

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The rotation meant to represent both time and space is very similar to Obito's ability to phase all or portions of his body to a 4th dimension (spacetime), while still being visible from a 3 dimensional perspective.

The Fourth Dimension is "time", spacetime is anisotropic and is not an additional spatial or temporal dimension (like Kamui Dimension or an alternate universe/dimension,etc.) although personally I have my doubts concerning the concept of spacetime itself with the recent Quantum Theories (eg. Horava gravity)

Anyways, the "dark world" of Kamui is also inspired from Yomi which is the Land of the Dead/World of Darkness in Japanese myth.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

The Fourth Dimension is "time", spacetime is anisotropic and is not an additional spatial or temporal dimension (like Kamui Dimension or an alternate universe/dimension,etc.) although personally I have my doubts concerning the concept of spacetime itself with the recent Quantum Theories (eg. Horava gravity)

Anyways, the "dark world" of Kamui is also inspired from Yomi which is the Land of the Dead/World of Darkness in Japanese myth.

It is common that many people refer to fourth dimensional space as simply time but this is not accurate, the same way we don't define a two dimensional object that encompasses length and width as simply width, or three dimensional space as simply depth. Each higher dimension also encompasses the dimensions before it. So fourth dimensional space is unified space and time, space-time.

Have you any links to previous threads on Yomi? Would love to check it out.