Misconceptions on Naruto SM (Subconscious mind vs Reality) Must Read!!!!

[Troyg39]

Look dude I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm going to be straight up with you. You don't know how to present an argument.

You provided us with the instance of him transferring his Sage chakra to his already existing clones in his mind, then you tried to make the statement that you proved he can't do the same thing in reality yet you have zero evidence to back that claim up. Literally nothing. You don't even have a scan in your thread that even remotely suggests that he can't do the same thing in real life.

Meanwhile numerous people have already posted scans suggests that it may be possible that he can transfer his sage chakra to his existing clones seeing as they share a chakra link anyway. One member even provided the scan detailing how the chakra connection between clones work. While no one can provide an exact scan of Naruto transferring sage chakra to his existing clones, so far you've been shown that he can summon SM clones, and even his clones can summon them too. Also, the details of how clones are linked via chakra also suggests that it's possible.

So far you are losing this misconception argument terribly

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I see you asserting the bolded, but I don't see any evidence. Where is the evidence that when the real naruto enters SM in the real world, his clones don't enter SM as well?

There is none, we've never seen the real go into SM and his clones not be in that form. On the contrary,

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supports what happened in the kurama fight: that when the real naruto entered SM, all the clones who are linked to him also entered SM.

I thought someone would say this. My evidence is right after Minato sealed the fox back inside Naruto again. We see naruto standing on that floating rock Pain made. The original Naruto is in SM. We see the rocks fall and Naruto then kicks Pain where they have fallen.

What proves my point is all those clones made as rocks weren't in SM when they attacked Pain and the original Naruto was. So Naruto would have had to summon them before going into SM. Then have himself go into SM, therefore this is giving me evidence for my statement.

Chapter Starts at 441

Now since I have given mine, Can you please give me yours?

Look dude I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm going to be straight up with you. You don't know how to present an argument.

You provided us with the instance of him transferring his Sage chakra to his already existing clones in his mind, then you tried to make the statement that you proved he can't do the same thing in reality yet you have zero evidence to back that claim up. Literally nothing. You don't even have a scan in your thread that even remotely suggests that he can't do the same thing in real life.

Meanwhile numerous people have already posted scans suggests that it may be possible that he can transfer his sage chakra to his existing clones seeing as they share a chakra link anyway. One member even provided the scan detailing how the chakra connection between clones work. While no one can provide an exact scan of Naruto transferring sage chakra to his existing clones, so far you've been shown that he can summon SM clones, and even his clones can summon them too. Also, the details of how clones are linked via chakra also suggests that it's possible.

So far you are losing this misconception argument terribly

Pls read my comment above this one.

 

[xcoyote]

Okay,Kishimoto.

 

[lanakui8]

I thought someone would say this. My evidence is right after Minato sealed the fox back inside Naruto again. We see naruto standing on that floating rock Pain made. The original Naruto is in SM. We see the rocks fall and Naruto then kicks Pain where they have fallen.

What proves my point is all those clones made as rocks weren't in SM when they attacked Pain and the original Naruto was. So Naruto would have had to summon them before going into SM. Then have himself go into SM, therefore this is giving me evidence for my statement.

Chapter Starts at 441

When the clones attacked pain, the original wasn't in SM either, he exited that mode immediately after he threw the second FRS.

Now since I have given mine, Can you please give me yours?

I hyperlinked the evidence to support my argument. It's Tobirama's explanation of kagebunshin. In addition to that, his clones in chapter 560 seem to be in SM as well despite being made in base.

 

[-Sky-]

All of the Naruto's in his mind entered SM because the real Naruto entered SM in the real world.

I don't see why he isn't capable of the feats he showed other than that though.

 

[Chīkara]

It's hard to believe that he suddenly became that OP.
Lets have a look

- He was able to use 20+ using Chóódama Rasengan.
- He could throw the kyuubi who is at the same size as Kírabí.
- Could talk with Kushina and she was able to use her chain jutsu.
- Was able to use the 6 paths seal out of nowhere.

I don't believe he could do all this while in sage mode in the outside world.
Keep in mind that it's his body. a part of both Minato and Kushina's chakura was
sealed inside of him.

And throwing the Kyuubi in a mere Sennin mödo I highly doubt it tbh.
But sadly we never know the truth.

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And btw its Kishimoto Phuck logic.

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[Troyg39]

I thought someone would say this. My evidence is right after Minato sealed the fox back inside Naruto again. We see naruto standing on that floating rock Pain made. The original Naruto is in SM. We see the rocks fall and Naruto then kicks Pain where they have fallen.

What proves my point is all those clones made as rocks weren't in SM when they attacked Pain and the original Naruto was. So Naruto would have had to summon them before going into SM. Then have himself go into SM, therefore this is giving me evidence for my statement.

Chapter Starts at 441

Now since I have given mine, Can you please give me yours?




Pls read my comment above this one.

*sighs* You didn't do a thing to prove yourself right

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You can clearly see that right before Naruto summoned the clones, he had lost his SM. So naturally those clones wouldn't be in SM because Naruto had ran out of Sage chakra and didn't even attempt to accumulate anymore before he summoned the clones.

I'm assuming you didn't post an actual scan yourself because you already knew you were incorrect. At this point you are trolling kid

 

[Johndoesknowall]

When the clones attacked pain, the original wasn't in SM either, he exited that mode immediately after he threw the second FRS.


I hyperlinked the evidence to support my argument. It's Tobirama's explanation of kagebunshin. In addition to that, his clones in chapter 560 seem to be in SM as well despite being made in base.

*sighs* You didn't do a thing to prove yourself right

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You can clearly see that right before Naruto summoned the clones, he had lost his SM. So naturally those clones wouldn't be in SM because Naruto had ran out of Sage chakra and didn't even attempt to accumulate anymore before he summoned the clones.

I'm assuming you didn't post an actual scan yourself because you already knew you were incorrect. At this point you are trolling kid

I have proof that even if the original loses his SM the clone can still maintain it's own. Just go back to the Pain fight once again and you'll see at that even though Naruto lost his SM his clones at Myoboku still had theirs. So you saying that since Naruto lost his Sm all the rock clones would lose there's aswell is redundant.

and for troy39, the clones we already summoned as rocks before they hit the ground. He did not summon them before SM ran out.

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Only 1 clone was in SM, even in the anime only 1 clone was SM.

Leave troy39, it's becoming a nuisance.

 

[xxSAGExx]

They make a lot of sense, both sides are speculations but him maybe being able to transfer senjutsus to his clones is possible. But I thought your argument was that since Naruto was floating and his clones going SM means everything he did in his mind isn't something he can do in the real world? He shown to lift large objects, even Pa toad lift and threw Gamabuta using senjutsus. Also this stemmed from the SM clone vs 3rd Raikage but that was a clone that had 1/13th of Naruto's power which means it had less Senjutsus than what a fully powered Naruto would have.

It takes focus from Naruto to use his clones, this is why when he would get hit hard enough that his clones would poof. That fact that the clone did it at all is amazing really. And I wasn't saying SM Naruto>3rd Raikage, he was controlled so wasn't fighting how he would nor used his black lightning. But it show cased Naruto's sensing ability

 

[lanakui8]

It's hard to believe that he suddenly became that OP.
Lets have a look

- He was able to use 20+ using Chóódama Rasengan.
- He could throw the kyuubi who is at the same size as Kírabí.
- Could talk with Kushina and she was able to use her chain jutsu.
- Was able to use the 6 paths seal out of nowhere.

I don't believe he could do all this while in sage mode in the outside world.​

no one's arguing he could use kushina's chakra chains or the 6 paths seal in SM since he didn't use those in SM. However what makes you say he can't use the other jutsus in the outside world? I don't see how SM COR barrage is an outlier considering FRS damaged Kurama more and his base clone in the war did

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Keep in mind that it's his body. a part of both Minato and Kushina's chakura was
sealed inside of him.

Minato's chakra was long gone and kushina's chakra manifested as kushina and her chakra chains, neither chakras were given to him to use as fuel for his jutsus in the kurama fight.

And throwing the Kyuubi in a mere Sennin mödo I highly doubt it tbh.
But sadly we never know the truth.

Why do you doubt that when he's done

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[Troyg39]

I have proof that even if the original loses his SM the clone can still maintain it's own. Just go back to the Pain fight once again and you'll see at that even though Naruto lost his SM his clones at Myoboku still had theirs.

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I just proved you wrong. Bottem left of the scan. The clone is not yet in SM. It is gathering chakra so that when it is transferred back to Naruto, the original will enter SM, but since the original isn't currently in SM, neither is the clone.

and for troy39, the clones we already summoned as rocks before they hit the ground. He did not summon them before SM ran out.

Again, as I just showed you, once the original loses SM, so do the clones. What happens to the original resonates with the clones. /thread

Oh and as far as that scan you provided, you can barely see the eyes of the clones to tell what mode they are in. You can't even tell if the original is in SM. So once again, your arguments bear no fruit kid

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Is there anything that Fodderuto can do without his borrowed power?
His fans have to ask themselves.

XD XD

They make a lot of sense, both sides are speculations but him maybe being able to transfer senjutsus to his clones is possible. But I thought your argument was that since Naruto was floating and his clones going SM means everything he did in his mind isn't something he can do in the real world? He shown to lift large objects, even Pa toad lift and threw Gamabuta using senjutsus. Also this stemmed from the SM clone vs 3rd Raikage but that was a clone that had 1/13th of Naruto's power which means it had less Senjutsus than what a fully powered Naruto would have.

It takes focus from Naruto to use his clones, this is why when he would get hit hard enough that his clones would poof. That fact that the clone did it at all is amazing really. And I wasn't saying SM Naruto>3rd Raikage, he was controlled so wasn't fighting how he would nor used his black lightning. But it show cased Naruto's sensing ability

My basic point was NV logic doesn't apply in Naruto's subconscious mind. I was trying to show you examples of it. This was the best I could figure out at the moment though. And now I understand you about the Raikage thing.

 

[lanakui8]

I have proof that even if the original loses his SM the clone can still maintain it's own. Just go back to the Pain fight once again and you'll see at that even though Naruto lost his SM his clones at Myoboku still had theirs. So you saying that since Naruto lost his Sm all the rock clones would lose there's aswell is redundant.

Can you show me the scan of the clone at Myoboku in base while the real is in SM?

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Only 1 clone was in SM, even in the anime only 1 clone was SM.

Both clones are in SM, they have the same shading around the eyes as the original who we know to be in SM. In the anime both clones were in it as well.

 

[Troyg39]

Can you show me the scan of the clone at Myoboku in base while the real is in SM?


Both clones are in SM, they have the same shading around the eyes as the original who we know to be in SM. In the anime both clones were in it as well.

Check my last comment to him. It has the scan you're looking for in it. The clone at Myoboku was not in SM like OP tried to claim. He was mistaken

 

[salamander uchiha]

Of course naruto couldnt do that before but he might be able to know that he has kuramas chakra.
Everonr seems to forget naruto had limits with his sage mode only form two clones cause of imbalance since he did against pain.
Even after that he had those limits. And he definately had that limit it was his mind since that was only a week or so later. It was a battle of will power since naruto let kuama out so his chakra wouldve decreased but after thawho knows. Plot no jutsu allows all things in favour of naruto.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

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I just proved you wrong. Bottem left of the scan. The clone is not yet in SM. It is gathering chakra so that when it is transferred back to Naruto, the original will enter SM, but since the original isn't currently in SM, neither is the clone.




Again, as I just showed you, once the original loses SM, so do the clones. What happens to the original resonates with the clones. /thread

Oh and as far as that scan you provided, you can barely see the eyes of the clones to tell what mode they are in. You can't even tell if the original is in SM. So once again, your arguments bear no fruit kid

The clone is infused with Sage chakra and it can still have it even after the original loses his. So you stating that the clones lose it completely is redundant. I meant the clones a myoboku had Sage chakra infused in them not the actual Mode, and if dispersed would have recharged Naruto.

 

[lanakui8]

Of course naruto couldnt do that before but he might be able to know that he has kuramas chakra.
Everonr seems to forget naruto had limits with his sage mode only form two clones cause of imbalance since he did against pain.
Even after that he had those limits.

Naruto only had limits because he can't gather natural energy and move at the same time. The usual way to work around that problem is frog fusion where he fuses with ma and pa, however since he had kurama inside of him he couldn't do that. When he fought kurama though, his real body was sitting down and not moving so he no longer had the SM limit, it was as if he fused with ma and pa for that fight.

And he definately had that limit it was his mind since that was only a week or so later. It was a battle of will power since naruto let kuama out so his chakra wouldve decreased but after thawho knows. Plot no jutsu allows all things in favour of naruto.

It was in no way shape or form a battle of willpower, it was a battle to rip kurama's chakra from it with one of the requirements to do so being not having any hatred in your heart. Naruto still had to defeat the beast.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Can you show me the scan of the clone at Myoboku in base while the real is in SM?


Both clones are in SM, they have the same shading around the eyes as the original who we know to be in SM. In the anime both clones were in it as well.

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Only 1 has SM 7:33

Check my last comment to him. It has the scan you're looking for in it. The clone at Myoboku was not in SM like OP tried to claim. He was mistaken

I misspoke, I meant they had Sage chakra infused in them.

 

[lanakui8]

[video=youtube;1rsve8HDwTY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rsve8HDwTY[/video]

Only 1 has SM 7:33

i see 2 at 7:33. And why would it be that one is in SM and one isn't? That makes no sense. either they are both not in SM (thus you are right) or they both are in SM (thus I'm right). Since one is in SM then the other has to be in SM as well.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

i see 2 at 7:33. And why would it be that one is in SM and one isn't? That makes no sense. either they are both not in SM (thus you are right) or they both are in SM (thus I'm right). Since one is in SM then the other has to be in SM as well.

You can clearly see that only 1 has color around his eyes. In the manga it's to hard to see. But in the anime, you can see it better.