Misconceptions on Naruto SM (Subconscious mind vs Reality) Must Read!!!!

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You can clearly see that only 1 has color around his eyes. In the manga it's to hard to see. But in the anime, you can see it better.

and one of the main thing the anime is known for is mistakes there is a entire long page dedicated to anime mistakes on the naruto wikia.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

and one of the main thing the anime is known for is mistakes there is a entire long page dedicated to anime mistakes on the naruto wikia.

I will agree and understand if you don't take this a evidence. Instead we'll just have heated discussions until one gets tired if something like this happens again.

 

[Troyg39]

The clone is infused with Sage chakra and it can still have it even after the original loses his. So you stating that the clones lose it completely is redundant. I meant the clones a myoboku had Sage chakra infused in them not the actual Mode, and if dispersed would have recharged Naruto.

Show a scan or stop dude. Show a scan of a clone maintaining SM even though the original loses SM. You were the one that stated this:

I have proof that even if the original loses his SM the clone can still maintain it's own. Just go back to the Pain fight once again and you'll see at that even though Naruto lost his SM his clones at Myoboku still had theirs

This isn't you misspeaking. This is you making claims of proof when you have none, which was the point of my original post. Nothing in the manga suggests that Naruto can not transfer his sage mode or his sage chakra to his clones. In fact, everything suggests that whatever is going on with the original, the clones will follow suit. If Naruto is in SM and summons clones, his clones will be in SM. As I just showed you, despite being infused with Sage Chakra, if the original isn't in SM, neither will the clones be. So this idea you have that the original Naruto can't enter SM and then transfer that mode to his existing clones is baseless.

I get that you really believe in what you're saying and that's fine. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm just saying if you have no evidence just say so. Stop trying to fabricate it. And stop trying to change your argument. The point of your thread was to say that in reality, Naruto can not enter SM and then transfer that mode to existing clones. Now you are revising that argument to say that you only meant the chakra and not the actual mode. Look at the above quote of your words. You specifically said SM. You weren't simply talking about the chakra, but the mode itself. As you've been talking about that this entire time. You just weren't expecting someone to go find the page and you to be incorrect

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Show a scan or stop dude. Show a scan of a clone maintaining SM even though the original loses SM. You were the one that stated this:



This isn't you misspeaking. This is you making claims of proof when you have none, which was the point of my original post. Nothing in the manga suggests that Naruto can not transfer his sage mode or his sage chakra to his clones. In fact, everything suggests that whatever is going on with the original, the clones will follow suit. If Naruto is in SM and summons clones, his clones will be in SM. As I just showed you, despite being infused with Sage Chakra, if the original isn't in SM, neither will the clones be. So this idea you have that the original Naruto can't enter SM and then transfer that mode to his existing clones is baseless.

I get that you really believe in what you're saying and that's fine. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm just saying if you have no evidence just say so. Stop trying to fabricate it. And stop trying to change your argument. The point of your thread was to say that in reality, Naruto can not enter SM and then transfer that mode to existing clones. Now you are revising that argument to say that you only meant the chakra and not the actual mode. Look at the above quote of your words. You specifically said SM. You weren't simply talking about the chakra, but the mode itself. As you've been talking about that this entire time. You just weren't expecting someone to go find the page and you to be incorrect

Lol. No I really did misspeak. I reread the page meant they had Sage chakra infused at myoboku.

@Bold. Also I would like to point out this. You might not say it applies, But it does apply in relation to the thread. It uses the same logic as SM.

When Naruto enters KCM he summoned clones. Each clone had a certain amount of KCM they could use. Same as how SM would be. When the original wasn't using KCM the other clones still were. So in respect to you. I don't have scans that show original Naruto losing SM and his clone still having it. But I do have evidence to back my assumption for my statement.

So can you combat this??? XDXDXD

You have become enjoyable.

 

[Troyg39]

Lol. No I really did misspeak. I reread the page meant they had Sage chakra infused at myoboku.

@Bold. Also I would like to point out this. You might not say it applies, But it does apply in relation to the thread. It uses the same logic as SM.

When Naruto enters KCM he summoned clones. Each clone had a certain amount of KCM they could use. Same as how SM would be. When the original wasn't using KCM the other clones still were. So in respect to you. I don't have scans that show original Naruto losing SM and his clone still having it. But I do have evidence to back my assumption for my statement.

So can you combat this??? XDXDXD

You have become enjoyable.

I'm sure you'll understand it if I ask for a scan. I've looked up about 3 scans for you already and proved you wrong with them. So I hope you understand that I'm not interested in doing so again. I would like to see the scan though if you can find it

**Edit** And I just want you to know that I approve of your attempt to change the subject and will entertain you for a bit longer

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I'm sure you'll understand it if I ask for a scan. I've looked up about 3 scans for you already and proved you wrong with them. So I hope you understand that I'm not interested in doing so again. I would like to see the scan though if you can find it

This is the scan from 552 after he fights Itachi and Nagato.

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He still had clones on the field with the cloak if you look ahead in the manga.

 

[Troyg39]

This is the scan from 552 after he fights Itachi and Nagato.

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Where on this page do you see a clone in KCM while the original isn't. Looks like both are normal to me. Is this some kind of joke?

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You do realize that this scan is the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove right?

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^^This is the page right before that, where he tried to summon the clone. He tried to make a clone, but it was too much for him to maintain KCM and make the clone at the same time. So even though he attempted the clone while in KCM, not only did the clone not enter KCM, but the original lost it's KCM too. The clone could not maintain what the original couldn't. Therefore as I said before, everything suggests that what happens to the original also happens to the clones.

On top of that, the clone was not an existing clone. So this wouldn't have fit into your argument regardless. Once again, another one of your "evidences" does everything to hurt your argument and nothing to support it

 

[juzumaki]

your basically saying what kushina did in narutos mine she couldnt do in real life.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Where on this page do you see a clone in KCM while the original isn't. Looks like both are normal to me. Is this some kind of joke?

This is original Naruto He was trying to make an extra clone, when he already had to many on the field.

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This is his clone near Garaa's unit. We know that once a clone leaves KCM it doesn't enter it again. SO if it still has it on, it means that it never went off, even if the original's did.

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This should be enough. You are now wrong.

 

[juzumaki]

Where on this page do you see a clone in KCM while the original isn't. Looks like both are normal to me. Is this some kind of joke?

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You do realize that this scan is the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove right?

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^^This is the page right before that, where he tried to summon the clone. He tried to make a clone, but it was too much for him to maintain KCM and make the clone at the same time. So even though he attempted the clone while in KCM, not only did the clone not enter KCM, but the original lost it's KCM too. The clone could not maintain what the original couldn't. Therefore as I said before, everything suggests that what happens to the original also happens to the clones.

On top of that, the clone was not an existing clone. So this wouldn't have fit into your argument regardless. Once again, another one of your "evidences" does everything to hurt your argument and nothing to support it

actually that scan proved his point perfectly. this showed that while naruto himself wasnt in kcm his clones on the other battle fields are still in kcm

 

[Johndoesknowall]

actually that scan proved his point perfectly. this showed that while naruto himself wasnt in kcm his clones on the other battle fields are still in kcm

THANK YOU THANK YOU, Gosh it gets annoying sometimes.

 

[Troyg39]

This is original Naruto He was trying to make an extra clone, when he already had to many on the field.

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This is his clone near Garaa's unit. We know that once a clone leaves KCM it doesn't not enter it again. SO if it still has it on, it means that it never went off, even if the original's did.

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This should be enough. You are now wrong.

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He entered KCM again. So no, I'm not wrong. In fact, now I have an angle to suggest that his clones automatically got transferred the new KCM chakra. Since we know for a fact that at least one clone lost it's KCM when Naruto tried for one clone too many, that suggests the possibility and probability that the rest of them did as well. And since we see Naruto re enter KCM before we see anymore of his clones, again, you have nothing to help your argument

actually that scan proved his point perfectly. this showed that while naruto himself wasnt in kcm his clones on the other battle fields are still in kcm

Then explain the scan in the comment I left above

 

[Johndoesknowall]

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He entered KCM again. So no, I'm not wrong.

Yes you are. At that moment, event if it was brief, he was forced out of KCM. By your logic, so should have the clones aswell.

Get over it. We all make mistakes.

 

[Avinash012]

U countered ur own argument by saying that Naruto can make SM clones after entering SM.

 

[Troyg39]

Yes you are. At that moment, event if it was brief, he was forced out of KCM. By your logic, so should have the clones aswell.

Get over it. We all make mistakes.

You do realize that the page I provided came BEFORE the moment where the clone on Gaara's battlefield had even gotten there right?

So now what we have is this. KCM Naruto tried for one clone too many, and he got booted out of KCM. The extra clone also got booted out of KCM. You can see remnants of KCM chakra even around the clone, suggesting that it was summoned in KCM but couldn't maintain it. Since this happened to the original and to one of it's clones, it stands to reason that the other clones felt the same effect and lost KCM.

Naruto re entered KCM shortly after that though and didn't attempt to create a new clone, thus allowing him to keep KCM. Then after this is when we see another clone (the one that got to Gaara's unit) with KCM active as well. All this actually suggests that the clone was able to re enter KCM because Naruto re entered it. Nothing about it suggests that the clone was able to keep his KCM despite the original losing his.

So no, I'm not wrong, unless you can show me a scan of one of his clones still in KCM before he re entered it, you have now given reason to believe that it's possible for Naruto to transfer his chakra modes to existing clones, as well as existing clones losing chakra modes if the original loses it. Congrats, you beat yourself

 

[Johndoesknowall]

U countered ur own argument by saying that Naruto can make SM clones after entering SM.

Nope. My statement was Naruto(original) cannot transfer SM to a clone already summoned without SM.

You do realize that the page I provided came BEFORE the moment where the clone on Naruto's battlefield had even gotten there right?

So now what we have is this. KCM Naruto tried for one clone too many, and he got booted out of KCM. The extra clone also got booted out of KCM. You can see remnants of KCM chakra even around the clone, suggesting that it was summoned in KCM but couldn't maintain it. Since this happened to the original and to one of it's clones, it stands to reason that the other clones felt the same effect and lost KCM.

Naruto re entered KCM shortly after that though and didn't attempt to create a new clone, thus allowing him to keep KCM. Then after this is when we see another clone (the one that got to Gaara's unit) with KCM active as well. All this actually suggests that the clone was able to re enter KCM because Naruto re entered it. Nothing about it suggests that the clone was able to keep his KCM despite the original losing his.

So no, I'm not wrong

You're like a kid now. You say to me to find scans and then you say this and I bet you don't even have any scans to prove this. There are scans that prove when a clone loses KCM they do not get it back. Only the original can do this.

If you have a comback please post a scan with it.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

This thread will prove that what Naruto did inside his head, he can not do in reality. People believe the fight between Naruto and Kurama is what he can do in reality as well and they try to place it in arguments. Well I found out he can't.

First I will post the scans that can't be used in reality.​

Now I'll explain.

Naruto has shown us the ability to go into SM. His clones has shown the ability to enter SM aswell, whether they enter it themselves or are summoned that way.

But this is the reason why he can' do it in reality. When Naruto enters SM it does not transfer to the clones that are already summoned. In reality it can't be done the way it was in his subconscious. The clones themselves have to enter it or be summoned when Naruto is in SM.

So what's happening in the scans above cannot be done in reality, only in his mind and therefore should prove wrong anyone mentioning "everything he does in his mind, he could do in reality as well."

Also because I seem to have confused some people. This thread was about the transfer of SM Naruto did to his clones that were already summoned and NOT ABOUT THE RASENGAN BARRAGE

This guy just totally lost it.

Naruto used the clones in Myobokuzan to enter SM, so that he could use it too. Your thread /crashed.​

 

[Avinash012]

Nope. My statement was Naruto(original) cannot transfer SM to a clone already summoned without SM.

I know but how is this going make any difference.?

If he can't do that to already summoned clones then he'll summon clones in SM.

Also Clones can enter SM on their own.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

This guy just totally lost it.

Naruto used the clones in Myobokuzan to enter SM, so that he could use it too. Your thread /crashed.​

You probably can't read so I'll sum it up for ya. The main point I stated was that Naruto(original) can not transfer his SM to clones already summoned without SM.

I know but how is this going make any difference.?

If he can't do that to already summoned clones then he'll summon clones in SM.

Also Clones can enter SM on their own.

Whether people like it or not it is becoming acknowledged and that's what I really wanted. Also I agree with what you're saying. This was just to prove that he can't do everything he does in his subconscious, in reality.

 

[Troyg39]

You're like a kid now. You say to me to find scans and then you say this and I bet you don't even have any scans to prove this. There are scans that prove when a clone loses KCM they do not get it back. Only the original can do this.

If you have a combat please post a scan with it.

Lol this is where me and you differ. You are attempting to prove something you can not. I'm simply pointing out to you that the manga suggests that you could be wrong. Not once did I make a statement claiming anything to be 100% correct. I've merely pointed out what can be suggested. I'll take this slow for you.

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This is when Naruto tries to summon one clone too many. Notice that you can see KCM chakra floating around both the original and the clone. This tells us that the clone was actually summoned in KCM since the original was originally in KCM, but the clone ended up getting booted out because the original had used too much chakra to maintain KCM anymore. The fact that both the clone AND the original got booted out suggests that the same thing happened to the other clones as well. This right here is the only example the manga gives us of what happens to a clone's chakra mode if the original loses theirs.

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Here we see the original Naruto re enter KCM after losing it

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Now FINALLY, we see another clone, and it it is in KCM. However can you prove that it too didn't lose it's KCM mode when the original did? No, you can not, because we don't see a clone until after Naruto re enters it. But if the idea that whatever happens to the original happens to the clones is true, then this clone lost it's KCM mode and regained it after Naruto re entered KCM

Can I prove this? No, because again, the journey this clone took to get to Gaara was off panel, so there's no way for you nor I to prove our case. But unfortunately for you, the only evidence we have of what happens to a clone's chakra mode after the original loses it shows that the clone loses it. So it is suggested in the manga that you are incorrect.

This is my argument in full detail, pages aplenty. I'm done with you after this kid. Anything you say beyond this point will be pointless

**Edit** I'm sorry that last part was a bit rude I'll admit. Not to say that your words are pointless, it's just that I know you're going to attempt to come back in some way, and as this final comment explains fairly well, nothing you do or say can prove you right, and every bit of evidence so far either has done nothing to help your case, or more to help the opposing. So there really isn't any more either of us can do to make our points