Why does Naruto suck at training?

[AlphaScythian]

Tsunade one punch broke Madara Susanno, and you are saying that Sasuke's Susanno can tank lets say 20 SM clones with giant rasengan? Idk man, but no point in arguing without proof.

PS tanked TBB slammed by wooden golem! You think tsunade can trump that? Or 20-30 rasengans will? It took shinsusenju and dozens TBBs that also caught PS in blast to remove PS armor from kurama, even so 30% or so remained.

This pinned down kurama was in flash and blood yet the attack didnt harm it, It was a small knock down to already restrained kurama so naruto had some time to steal chakra. For instance we've seen gyuki harmed by raiton and even shurikens, his own TBB wrecked him. So as you can see the damage from all this rasengan isnt anything of importance.

 

[AlphaScythian]

sasuke not have counter for this
susanoo ? tsunade with one punch can broke madara's perfect susanoo rib kage and frog kata better than this
amaterasu /enton? ok. sasuke can burn some clones with this... anyway sage mode bunshins can put punch on sasuke
enton covered susanoo ? for frog kata not needed contact with susanoo body
sage mode speed>sasuke speed
sharingan prediction abilities useless against 360 digrees attack plius bunshins have sage mode sensor skills. ummm... Naruto planned his strategy with gaara and zabuza fight
disagree. naruto ummm... Naruto planned his strategy with gaara and zabuza fight
naruto created one of the best strategy in manga. one of the best strategy in manga.

Now that i've noticed your gender, the world made sense again.

 

[-Spoiler-]

I'm talking about the 3-year time skip. Not until he seen how powerful Sasuke got that he actually decided he need to step up his training. So the question is, what the hell did he do those 3 years?

lol if your referring to that remove:
kirin
his own team
oral rebirth( sasuke didnt get that until after he absorbed orochimaru)

 

[take it easy]

Now that i've noticed your gender, the world made sense again.

I know that some sasuke wankers can't accept truth that sage mode naruto clones can give Ems sasuke with PS very good fight.

He tnj'd Zabuza, I wouldn't call that a strategy. You're right about gaara fight though

I mean shadow shuriken tactic which naruto created

 

[-Punk-]

Ummm I believe Sauske kinda cheated his way to power ,that's why he went to Oro in the first place & used drugs too.

I agree that on that time Naruto came back as joke & Sauske like it or not did trained with steroids & all but still got the bigger push out of the two .

.But when it comes to overall training , Naruto has being doing the most training , while Sauske once he left Oro he hasn't, Naruto kept training = SM .

.Overall in training : Naruto .

.2.5 years time skip training : Sauske .

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Now that i've noticed your gender, the world made sense again.

Ummm really gender??? Lol you just...wow...so just cause you didn't have a valid argument??? That's like me saying oh look it all makes sence since you have an IQ of 30....life advise Plz dont ever say that to a girl EVER or you will be in your bed alone with 5-6 cats wanking to lord sasuke(I guess that's what you're into since you're doing it right now) in your 40s....

 

[Solo]

Although Sasuke vs. Gokage was an epic fail.

Sasuke had a plan, but Zetsu screwed him over.

 

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badass swordsman indeed,
impaled by 6 swords at once...

 

[Neezy]

Naruto had jiraiya, kakashi, yamato, etc. So this argument is invalid

OP- Of course such a thread would be posted by none other than Solo. You're really making a name for yourself on the base. In any case Naruto achieved A SM more perfect than Jiraiya's besides the fact that he had Kurama as a setback, he trained in wind release to achieve rasenshuriken, KCM,BM,etc. Stop hating man it ain't good for ya health.

Yeah Naruto had jiraiya, kakashi, yamato, but only jiraiya really trained him, i mean kakashi and yamato was only there to subdue Kurama's chakara and stop Naruto from going on rampages. Also importantly sasuke was taught side by side by orochimaru the guy who studies forbidden techniques and all sorts of cheap trickery and healing potions and body enhancements and immortality and transformation and transplants and crap i mean he was like the Einstein of Shinobi!

So sasuke had the life..! Even Kabuto who in fact is one of the best skilled Medical Ninja's help sasuke so yeah Naruto worked with what he had and with him having Kurama inside him made training 10 times harder for him, :yeah:

 

[Boston Rob]

Naruto has Kyubi so he doesnt need training.
Sasuke on another hand doesnt have such gift so he needs alot more training.
In terms of whos better warrior - Sasuke > Naruto any day

 

[take it easy]

Naruto has Kyubi so he doesnt need training.
Sasuke on another hand doesnt have such gift so he needs alot more training.
In terms of whos better warrior - Sasuke > Naruto any day

cant stop laughing

 

[HashiramaIsBack]

Anyway,Naruto pawns him.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Sasuke is an prodigy and naruto is a hard worker .

 

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Naruto vs. Haku - went inside the mirror dome (dumb move), fox saved his ass
Naruto vs. Kiba - charged at him over and over again saying how he won't give up - no tactics
Naruto vs. Neji - exchanged bunch of hits got his chakra blocked, fox saved his ass
Naruto vs. Sasuke - wailed at him over and over again, fox tried but couldn't save his ass, once again no strategy
Naruto vs. Kabuto - some planning, cut his hand and landed a rasengan
Naruto vs. Kakuzu - charged with clones

the rest were after he got SM and after time skip. (Pain, and war arc)

you know all three of those matches he outsmarted his opponent right?

You can't train your body to handle stress(speed) by just copying it with sharingan
Orochimaru's hands were sealed so he couldn't show jutsu
Orochimaru can't use raiton so he can't show chidori variants
Orochimaru couldn't use his hands so he couldn't even show kenjutsu training

This entire argument is pretty invalid...

tell me you're joking right? orochimaru has a mouth all he has to do is tell sasuke the hand seals which he did.
kakashi doesnt know wind style he taught naruto it though, you dont need to have the jutsu to know about it and train someone in it.
and again you're wrong orochimaru taught sasuke kenjutsu.
its your argument thats pretty invalid.

 

[htmwall]

because kishi has to undermine any character(not only naruto) just so he can satisfy his uchiha fanboyism.
this manga makes me wanna puke sometimes.

 

[dashstrike]

I just leave it here.

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[AlphaScythian]

Those are Madara's PS feats, Sasuke Susanno is like half the size. I will stop here, cause I got no idea about Sasuke's new PS feats.

Madara PS feats? You think normal rasengan of kakashi naruto jiraya and minato is all different in power? Cuz it was clear that kakashi equaled naruto's rasengan as its the same jutsu. Madara's PS is foreshadowing of sasuke's, always was, sasuke doesnt have to go for same trial with same jutsu cuz haters want so.

I know that some sasuke wankers can't accept truth that sage mode naruto clones can give Ems sasuke with PS very good fight.

Or naruto wankers cant picture their fave being blown away by mere PS swing.

Ummm really gender??? Lol you just...wow...so just cause you didn't have a valid argument??? That's like me saying oh look it all makes sence since you have an IQ of 30....life advise Plz dont ever say that to a girl EVER or you will be in your bed alone with 5-6 cats wanking to lord sasuke(I guess that's what you're into since you're doing it right now) in your 40s....

Valid argument? How about manga states so long ago that SM<MS?
As far as advice goes? Its totally wrong. But tnx im good.

 

[Xāvî1]

Naruto had jiraiya, kakashi, yamato, etc. So this argument is invalid

OP- Of course such a thread would be posted by none other than Solo. You're really making a name for yourself on the base. In any case Naruto achieved A SM more perfect than Jiraiya's besides the fact that he had Kurama as a setback, he trained in wind release to achieve rasenshuriken, KCM,BM,etc. Stop hating man it ain't good for ya health.

Yeah and sasuke had oro and kabuto you does experiments on innocent peoples...

 

[sharingansennin]

Kabuto is a master drug user and maker. The fact that sasuke is immune to poisons (apparently) shows that he is willing to take enhancing substances. This is the same guy that said he would go to any lengths to beat itachi. Plus he already took drugs for power (mind awakening pill for cm2) but I digress.

Their training was for different purposes. Oro trained sasuke to take on itachi whilst jiriaya was training naruto in chakra control in the hopes he can learn to control kuramas chakra. Plus it's a bit of an unfair comparison considering sasuke just has to watch oro do a movement or Jutsu with his sharingan and he can copy it.

Naruto learned wind release and formed it into a above s-rank Jutsu in a week so he isn't exactly terrible (minato couldn't even do it in his lifetime). Just because he doesn't have cheat code eye doesn't make him a terrible trainer - but I'm pretty sure you know this anyway.

he just has enormous chakra reserves to be able to try a jutsu 10 times more than sasuke

 

[Warrior3]

He likes fooling around and he's a dumbass.