Bsm= bm? No

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Hey. I noticed that there are a lot of people in here that think that BSM=BM, but the sensor skills are better, and that's all. That's a mistake, and I'll explain why.

Read everything, or don't bother replying. It's a pain to repeat something already in the thread.

We all know how SM works:
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This is very important: after entering SM, the atributes of the user get a serious power up(strength, durability, speed, etc)

Now, let's understand what happens in BSM. Naruto is in BM, and then, he enters sage mode. Kurama's chackra can sync perfectly with senjutsu chakra. Naruto enters BSM.
In this situation, it's easy to see that, for BSM, Naruto BM acts as a base form. What does this mean? It means that BSM is an amplified version of the BM, all the atributes were increased, as it is how the SM works.

SM was portrayed as a multiplier, increasing the user's atributes in proportions. In this case:

Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.

As kurama's chakra managed to sync perfectly with the SM, being in BM doesn't prevent the multiplying factor to be applied.

Another thing people say is: "Ah, but kurama comes from juubi, so it's natural energy, so it doesn't increase the power". That's a mistake. The bijuu chakras clearly changed from when they were the juubi, and from when they were natural energy. Bijuu chakra=/= natural energy and =/= senjutsu chakra.
The proof is that naruto needed to enter SM to affect obito, even while in KCM and BM. And even juugo's sage chakra from his sage transformation, that is an incomplete SM, could do it. So, kurama's chakra is very different from senjutsu chakra and from natural energy.

That means that the multiplier is still aplied.

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LOLOLOL.

Kurama is a new entity created by So6p where he dumped the share of juubi's nature energy. Therefore kurama has SM by default.

When naruto in BM its like sasuke in CM. Naruto uses kurama's senchakra, sasuke uses orochimaru's senchakra.

BM is SM kurama + naruto. BSM is SM kurama + SM naruto.
BSM is only stronger then BM by that small amount of nature energy naruto absorbs for himself.
 

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LOLOLOL.

Kurama is a new entity created by So6p where he dumped the share of juubi's nature energy. Therefore kurama has SM by default.

When naruto in BM its like sasuke in CM. Naruto uses kurama's senchakra, sasuke uses orochimaru's senchakra.

BM is SM kurama + naruto. BSM is SM kurama + SM naruto.
BSM is only stronger then BM by that small amount of nature energy naruto absorbs for himself.
I disproved this, idiot. Grow up.

Another thing people say is: "Ah, but kurama comes from juubi, so it's natural energy, so it doesn't increase the power". That's a mistake. The bijuu chakras clearly changed from when they were the juubi, and from when they were natural energy. Bijuu chakra=/= natural energy and =/= senjutsu chakra.
The proof is that naruto needed to enter SM to affect obito, even while in KCM and BM. And even juugo's sage chakra from his sage transformation, that is an incomplete SM, could do it. So, kurama's chakra is very different from senjutsu chakra and from natural energy.

That means that the multiplier is still aplied.

Again, READ it for reply.
 

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If that was true Naruto wouldnt have to combine BM with SM in order to harm Juubito.
Not true. The proportion of nature energy to normal one doesnt make it true senjutsu in BM alone. Look at hashirama now, he wasnt in SM, he had no marks but madara extracted senjutsu from him anyway, cuz it was there but not in right proportion.

@wolfus. No you didnt. You refuse to accept sasuke's CM as senjutsu and its righfully so cuz its orochimaru's senchakra, same goes for kurama's chakra. If you mix senchakra with your own you ruin the balance of SM, hence naruto had to get some more to make it true SM.
 

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Not true. The proportion of nature energy to normal one doesnt make it true senjutsu in BM alone. Look at hashirama now, he wasnt in SM, he had no marks but madara extracted senjutsu from him anyway, cuz it was there but not in right proportion.

@wolfus. No you didnt. You refuse to accept sasuke's CM as senjutsu and its righfully so cuz its orochimaru's senchakra, same goes for kurama's chakra. If you mix senchakra with your own you ruin the balance of SM, hence naruto had to get some more to make it true SM.
CM is not orochimaru's SM, it's based on juugo's clan. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Juugo's CM is the sage transformation, an incomple and out of control version of CM. Natural energy isn't perfected balanced in the sage transformation. So, it's not true SM.
And even worst, he just mixed it with sasuke's susanoo. It's not necessary "true SM" to hit obito, just some senjutsu.
You're the one in denial here, as always. So you just made a random assumption.
Natural energy, a little bit of it in the jutsu, even not perfectly controlled, is enough to hit juubito.
As naruto in BM and in KCM couldn't do, it proves that kurama's chakra is already different from senjutsu.
The multiplier is still aplied.
 
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