Bsm= bm? No

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Which means that BSM Naruto is still stronger than with normal BM.
AS i said yes, but only by that small part of nature energy naruto gets for himself. It doesnt work like double multiplier, it just raises BM to SM status, cuz in BM naruto basically dilutes kuramas senchakra with his own.
 

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AS i said yes, but only by that small part of nature energy naruto gets for himself. It doesnt work like double multiplier, it just raises BM to SM status, cuz in BM naruto basically dilutes kuramas senchakra with his own.
Considering that Naruto was able to add enough natural energy to TBB that was made by him and Minato I would say that its not a small power up at all.
 
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AS i said yes, but only by that small part of nature energy naruto gets for himself. It doesnt work like double multiplier, it just raises BM to SM status, cuz in BM naruto basically dilutes kuramas senchakra with his own.
No, it's not. Wow, you're such a kid. You're disproved, but you keep saying the same thing over and over again. SM is a multiplier, so BSM is stronger, and not by a bit.
 

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CM is not orochimaru's SM, it's based on juugo's clan. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Juugo's CM is the sage transformation, an incomple and out of control version of CM. Natural energy isn't perfected balanced in the sage transformation. So, it's not true SM.
And even worst, he just mixed it with sasuke's susanoo. It's not necessary "true SM" to hit obito, just some senjutsu.
You're the one in denial here, as always. So you just made a random assumption.
Natural energy, a little bit of it in the jutsu, even not perfectly controlled, is enough to hit juubito.
As naruto in BM and in KCM couldn't do, it proves that kurama's chakra is already different from senjutsu.
The multiplier is still aplied.
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"MY SENJUTSU CHAKRA" All CM is orochimarus. Juugo didnt mix his chakra with sasuke he mixed it directly with susanoo into right proportion. The fact that juugo goes nuts isnt his fault. Unlike SM users that get nature energy as much as they want when they want juugo cant stop his DNA from getting it so he has to unload it time to time.
No, it's not. Wow, you're such a kid. You're disproved, but you keep saying the same thing over and over again. SM is a multiplier, so BSM is stronger, and not by a bit.
It would be the same if CM sasuke learned SM, small power up in comparison
Considering that Naruto was able to add enough natural energy to TBB that was made by him and Minato I would say that its not a small power up at all.
TBB made by minato? Would you please me with a scan?
 
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"MY SENJUTSU CHAKRA" All CM is orochimarus. Juugo didnt mix his chakra with sasuke he mixed it directly with susanoo into right proportion. The fact that juugo goes nuts isnt his fault. Unlike SM users that get nature energy as much as they want when they want juugo cant stop his DNA from getting it so he has to unload it time to time.
Go read kabuto's explanation about juugo. Ororchimaru couldn't even enter SM. The fact that juugos goes nuts and that he goes through sage transformation is a proof that his "SM" is incomplete and uncontrolled. It's not perfect "SM".
And nobody ever said that it needs a "true SM" to hit obito, you just took it out of your ass.
If kurama's chakra was still the same as natural energy, naruto wouldn't need SM to hit obito. This proves you wrong.
 

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Go read kabuto's explanation about juugo. Ororchimaru couldn't even enter SM. The fact that juugos goes nuts and that he goes through sage transformation is a proof that his "SM" is incomplete and uncontrolled. It's not perfect "SM".
Kabuto's explanation in no way dismisses juugo's ability from SM, kabuto said that CM was a pretentious trick. And juugo doesnt agree with you.
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And nobody ever said that it needs a "true SM" to hit obito, you just took it out of your ass.
If kurama's chakra was still the same as natural energy, naruto wouldn't need SM to hit obito. This proves you wrong.
Not enough nature energy and you're not in SM, too much and you're a dead stone. Clearly right proportions play a role. For last time, Kurama's chakra is nature energy mixed with kurama, when naruto gets it its like CM, its diluted.
 

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Kabuto's explanation in no way dismisses juugo's ability from SM, kabuto said that CM was a pretentious trick. And juugo doesnt agree with you.
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Not enough nature energy and you're not in SM, too much and you're a dead stone. Clearly right proportions play a role. For last time, Kurama's chakra is nature energy mixed with kurama, when naruto gets it its like CM, its diluted.
Kurama's chakra is natur energy mixed with kurama, ok, that doesn't even make sense.

1- Kabuto's explanation said that oro couldn't enter SM, and that the CM was based on juugo's clan.
Juugo said it himself "sennin transformation", sage transformation, that is the incomplete version of true SM, that's why so many changes to the body.

2- Kurama has tons of chakra, that would be more than enough to affect obito, even if it was "not pure", as juugo just put some bit of natural energy mixed with sasuke's susanoo, making it unpure again.
If you're just going to repeat the same sh*t, don't even bother.
 

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Kurama's chakra is natur energy mixed with kurama, ok, that doesn't even make sense.
Why not? Kurama has its own body and mind unrelated to juubi except juubis chakra that was poured into it.
1- Kabuto's explanation said that oro couldn't enter SM, and that the CM was based on juugo's clan.
Juugo said it himself "sennin transformation", sage transformation, that is the incomplete version of true SM, that's why so many changes to the body.
Kabuto only said that orochimaru didnt have strong body. Orochimaru used juugo's dna to absorb nature energy, in this way orochimaru got the SM, but oro always had ups and down with fodder bodies he was taking over. Over course of 3 years his body was rejecting him, forget about having SM. I dont see why sage transformation would be inferior to sage mode, 2 ways if calling same thing.
2- Kurama has tons of chakra, that would be more than enough to affect obito, even if it was "not pure", as juugo just put some bit of natural energy mixed with sasuke's susanoo, making it unpure again.
If you're just going to repeat the same sh*t, don't even bother.
First of all i think its logical to think that kurama's own chakra should be considerable to hold nature energy, then again naruto is chakra monster as well. Its actually gets quite diluted. Yes juugo would make it unpure again unless he knows how to pour pure nature energy in it.
 

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BSM increases physical strength (of the body), BM duration, durability (of the body), doesn't increase he power of the jutsu, but increases the power of the chakra lessening the needed amount of chakra allowing bigger bijuudama/ jutsu to be made, also increases sensory.
 

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Why not? Kurama has its own body and mind unrelated to juubi except juubis chakra that was poured into it.
Kabuto only said that orochimaru didnt have strong body. Orochimaru used juugo's dna to absorb nature energy, in this way orochimaru got the SM, but oro always had ups and down with fodder bodies he was taking over. Over course of 3 years his body was rejecting him, forget about having SM. I dont see why sage transformation would be inferior to sage mode, 2 ways if calling same thing.
First of all i think its logical to think that kurama's own chakra should be considerable to hold nature energy, then again naruto is chakra monster as well. Its actually gets quite diluted. Yes juugo would make it unpure again unless he knows how to pour pure nature energy in it.
1- He used it to creat the cursed seals, so he would find a suitable body to handle SM, He himself never had acess do it. He didn't have a strong body to sustain natural energy.

2- Wrong. Kurama has much, much more chakra than naruto. And in BM, they sync, bu SM also balance and mix the natural energy. You got no point. The fact that BM didn't affect naruto is proof that Kurama's chakra=/= natural energy.
 

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:what::what: how did people not think that naruto got powered up?
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he was kind of managing to match juubito when prior to that point he wasn't even close in terms of speed.
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BSM naruto is at least 2 times faster imo
 
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