Misconception: "raikage would have won"

[Derek1st]

Air can cut and deflect, does that make it a solid?

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[slimreaper]

Air can cut and deflect, does that make it a solid?

whats the point of making the spikes if they are no different? and do you have feats of air behaving like a solid? i have feats of enton behaving like a solid

Both of your 'solid' flames are simply enton enhanced variations of his original susano'o weapons. I'll draw your attention to the following scans.

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Both scans show that Sasuke forms a susano'o chakra based arrow and also sword. Its these components that form the solid basis of his enton enhanced techniques - exactly the same as how he coats susano'o itself.

The 'spikey' enton you say would stop the raikage weren't made with any solid base so it is just fire. Sasuke manipulated it in that way so that the Raikage would have to pull out sooner as there was less distance between the flames and his leg. But the point is that it was just fire and the guillotine drop would have killed him.

you have no evidence to suggest sasuke is using a sword or arrow when using an enton sword and heres an example that he doesn't need to

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would you look at that, sasuke didn't need susanoo to cut through those webs. which aren't soft. why wouldn't it cut through the raikage's leg?

enton wasnt shown to have any cutting feats until war arc which sasuke has ems. at the time sasuke was just manipulating the flames to burn the raikage before he got to him.

manga scan suggesting flame manipulation is different in EMS?

 

[warpathixclan]

i have evidence to suggest enton is solid. where is yours?

You do not, if enton is backed by susanos physical arrow then it is the arrow. Now we have other instances on sasuke using amertatsu like in the itachi vs kabuto fight sasuke uses the flames mainly as a threat that the opponent will not avoid being burned.. though how can it be absolute? If the raikage could smash a rib how does sasukes frilled up controlled amertatsu not be smash.
We do have inconsistences but that is due to kishi. It is actualy funny both raikage and sasuke are seemingly stupid despite being ninja. Why didn't sasuke use full susano and destroy the raikage. Why would the raikage attempt to hit theflames head on I put this into the category of kishi... other things can be logically deduced.. You cannot prove that sasuke would die,I think he would though.

 

[deadp00l]

i have evidence to suggest enton is solid. where is yours?

i debunked your 'evidence', enton cut through the juubi cause of the heat

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, sasuke countered kidomaro web with enton cause kidomaro webs cant be cut by swords, that itself is proof that enton swords arent comparable to solid susanoo swords

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enton isnt solid

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[slimreaper]

You do not, if enton is backed by susanos physical arrow then it is the arrow. Now we have other instances on sasuke using amertatsu like in the itachi vs kabuto fight sasuke uses the flames mainly as a threat that the opponent will not avoid being burned.. though how can it be absolute? If the raikage could smash a rib how does sasukes frilled up controlled amertatsu not be smash.
We do have inconsistences but that is due to kishi. It is actualy funny both raikage and sasuke are seemingly stupid despite being ninja. Why didn't sasuke use full susano and destroy the raikage. Why would the raikage attempt to hit theflames head on I put this into the category of kishi... other things can be logically deduced.. You cannot prove that sasuke would die,I think he would though.

where do you see a physical arrow? would the arrow be see through?

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[Aya San]

Both of your 'solid' flames are simply enton enhanced variations of his original susano'o weapons. I'll draw your attention to the following scans.

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Both scans show that Sasuke forms a susano'o chakra based arrow and also sword. Its these components that form the solid basis of his enton enhanced techniques - exactly the same as how he coats susano'o itself.

The 'spikey' enton you say would stop the raikage weren't made with any solid base so it is just fire. Sasuke manipulated it in that way so that the Raikage would have to pull out sooner as there was less distance between the flames and his leg. But the point is that it was just fire and the guillotine drop would have killed him.

Good explanation

 

[Sir Blades]

whats the point of making the spikes if they are no different? and do you have feats of air behaving like a solid? i have feats of enton behaving like a solid

you have no evidence to suggest sasuke is using a sword or arrow when using an enton sword and heres an example that he doesn't need to

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would you look at that, sasuke didn't need susanoo to cut through those webs. which aren't soft. why wouldn't it cut through the raikage's leg?




manga scan suggesting flame manipulation is different in EMS?

Danzo/thread.
Let me educate you a bit since the education system in your country lacks. Fire when applied with pressure and precision is able to cut steel, but does that make it a solid? NO. Sasuke making enton in that shape simply aids in the effectiveness to damage the opponent, but it does not mean it is a solid, simply an element with the capabilities to cut. /thread

 

[slimreaper]

i debunked your 'evidence', enton cut through the juubi cause of the heat

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, sasuke countered kidomaro web with enton cause kidomaro webs cant be cut by swords, that itself is proof that enton swords arent comparable to solid susanoo swords

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enton isnt solid

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wouldn't the juubi clone have been set ablaze like kidomaru's web? clearly sasuke can make it solid. and making solid point has no purpose if it is the exact same as a regular flame. its really just a waste of energy

 

[slimreaper]

Danzo/thread.
Let me educate you a bit since the education system in your country lacks. Fire when applied with pressure and precision is able to cut steel, but does that make it a solid? NO. Sasuke making enton in that shape simply aids in the effectiveness to damage the opponent, but it does not mean it is a solid, simply an element with the capabilities to cut. /thread

would that cutting force have not severed the raikage's leg ending the threat?

 

[-Sky-]

The Raikage would have stalemated at best.

He was lucky Cee was there to give him medical assistance.

 

[deadp00l]

wouldn't the juubi clone have been set ablaze like kidomaru's web?

it was, it just wasnt shown, the juubi clone wasnt the focus nor was of any importance

clearly sasuke can make it solid. and making solid point has no purpose if it is the exact same as a regular flame. its really just a waste of energy

a pointed enton helps in better piercing, or sasuke thought raikage would hesitate and stop

 

[Multiply]

whats the point of making the spikes if they are no different?

Of course he would have been hit by the spikes, but that doesn't mean they would have stopped him. You're making it seem like this 300 pound man is going to stop just because of a few spikes that barely hold any substance. He likely would have lost his leg, but the sheer weight and power behind him would have demolished Sasuke. Take note that as he's preforming this, even Karin is scared for Sasuke because the dude's chakra is on par with that of a bijuu. Imagine the Gyuki's chakra(As she recently fought Killer Bee and knows his chakra) in a dense form the size of Raikage about to drop on Sasuke in a centralized point. Yeah...


Now I'm going to Lol at you even more. Notice when Gaara puts his sand in that centimeter gap, the enton can't even pierce that sand... These niggas thinking they found breakthroughs :| Dude's enton was flattened by sand...

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Sasuke already got scraped by Bee, now you want to see Sasuke get scraped by Ay too...?

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[Gatsuuga]

whats the point of making the spikes if they are no different? and do you have feats of air behaving like a solid? i have feats of enton behaving like a solid

you have no evidence to suggest sasuke is using a sword or arrow when using an enton sword and heres an example that he doesn't need to

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would you look at that, sasuke didn't need susanoo to cut through those webs. which aren't soft. why wouldn't it cut through the raikage's leg?




manga scan suggesting flame manipulation is different in EMS?

You do realise that the ball/ flame thing he is forming the sword/arrows out of is the same flame type thing he uses to form the chakra arrows (the standard susano'o chakra ones). Look at the hand its still a flame like chakra ball.

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So there its just as likely that he ignites this ball which then enhances the weapons that come out of it (since amaterasu consumes anything it comes in contact with).

Still all of this isn't really relevant since your giving Sasuke's enton feats that were impossible given his experience at the time. He wasn't very experienced at the 5 kage summit and didn't even have the capacity to make the enton orb thing - to which all of these supposed solid flames come from.

 

[slimreaper]

it was, it just wasnt shown, the juubi clone wasnt the focus nor was of any importance

a pointed enton helps in better piercing, or sasuke thought raikage would hesitate and stop

it was shown

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no flames

 

[deadp00l]

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lol that reminded me of liger bomb

[video=youtube;WCAoMbxKV0s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAoMbxKV0s[/video]

it was shown

no flames

then thats another aspect of control for sasuke over enton as the juubi clone was not the target for destroying

however the tiny stationary enton would at best pierce raikage whereas sasuke would recieve the full brunt of raikage's weight

 

[slimreaper]

You do realise that the ball/ flame thing he is forming the sword/arrows out of is the same flame type thing he uses to form the chakra arrows (the standard susano'o chakra ones). Look at the hand its still a flame like chakra ball.

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So there its just as likely that he ignites this ball which then enhances the weapons that come out of it (since amaterasu consumes anything it comes in contact with).

Still all of this isn't really relevant since your giving Sasuke's enton feats that were impossible given his experience at the time. He wasn't very experienced at the 5 kage summit and didn't even have the capacity to make the enton orb thing - to which all of these supposed solid flames come from.

wrong

whats that above sasuke's head?

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[slimreaper]

Of course he would have been hit by the spikes, but that doesn't mean they would have stopped him. You're making it seem like this 300 pound man is going to stop just because of a few spikes that barely hold any substance. He likely would have lost his leg, but the sheer weight and power behind him would have demolished Sasuke. Take note that as he's preforming this, even Karin is scared for Sasuke because the dude's chakra is on par with that of a bijuu. Imagine the Gyuki's chakra(As she recently fought Killer Bee and knows his chakra) in a dense form the size of Raikage about to drop on Sasuke in a centralized point. Yeah...


Now I'm going to Lol at you even more. Notice when Gaara puts his sand in that centimeter gap, the enton can't even pierce that sand... These niggas thinking they found breakthroughs :| Dude's enton was flattened by sand...

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Sasuke already got scraped by Bee, now you want to see Sasuke get scraped by Ay too...?

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yeah sasuke who knows how to use amaterasu ****s bee. stop hiding behind that fight

 

[Sir Blades]

would that cutting force have not severed the raikage's leg ending the threat?

No, because the enton would have to move in a side to side motion, or that of grabbing a blade and swinging it, that enton transformation would have only impaled the leg, but with the force of the raikage's attack that would have also broken through sasuke's "defense".

 

[Gatsuuga]

wrong

whats that above sasuke's head?

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I don't get what your trying to say? Theres a flame above his head yer but its just the left over from the spikes he tried to make and what he used to throw enton in gaara's direction. doesn't in anyway prove how its solid.

Also inanimated made a very good point - if the spikes were so solid and sharp why did gaara's sand flatten then with ease?

 

[Multiply]

yeah sasuke who knows how to use amaterasu ****s bee. stop hiding behind that fight

Lolwut... Someone's jimmies are rustled...