Misconception: "raikage would have won"

[slimreaper]

watch your step when you get up kids because I'm about to drop some knowledge


there is a lingering misconception that the raikages's guillotine drop would have been fatal to sasuke in their fight at the kage summit. this is total BS and here's why

the raikage was only able to break through sasuke's enton ribcage because it was just a regular flame

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here we see the raikage easily passes through the flames unopposed.

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now heres where people seem to believe the raikage wins

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this misconception is the raikage would have just passed through the flames and gone on to kill sasuke.


now why would those spikes react the same as regular flames?

just because they are made of "fire" doesn't mean they would react as such

here an example of how enton can become a solid object

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does fire posses the ability to cleave? and would the object no be on fire immediately after?

here we see the contrary is true

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now that I've shown that enton doesn't react like normal fire, what leads you to believe these enton spikes would have reacted differently?

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what is the point of sasuke making spikes it they would have just reacted like this? would sasuke have not just used the same technique?

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conclusion: clearly the enton would have server to slow the momentum of the raikage( making his attack less effective) and sever/pierce his falling leg. end result is a best case scenario crippled raikage whose attack would have even been strong enough to kill sasuke. clearly gaara was there to save the raikage


come at me

 

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the flames arent solid sure they would have damaged he over time but doesnt change the fact that the drop could have killed sasuke

 

[slimreaper]

the flames arent solid sure they would have damaged he over time but doesnt change the fact that the drop could have killed sasuke

if the flames aren't solid, how did they pierce the juubi clone? can flame pierce?

 

[deadp00l]

lmao the flames arent solid and not would they slow down raikage, what sasuke did was use the heat of the enton to cut through the mini juubi like how he used it to cut kidomaro's webs

and raikage broke the solid ribcage

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[-Punk-]

He was gonna loose eventually, Gara knew that .

 

[Aya San]

That might have been enton covered normal susanoo sword

 

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if the flames aren't solid, how did they pierce the juubi clone? can flame pierce?

its how the chakra is applied the chakra on asuma blade isnt solid but yet it also slices through things.

 

[xcoyote]

Ok,Kishimoto.

 

[Derek1st]

Woah buddy look at that panel you showed. Sasuke has a sword with lightning already prepared. he just coated that in amaterasu

 

[slimreaper]

its how the chakra is applied the chakra on asuma blade isnt solid but yet it also slices through things.

would have not removed the raikage's leg? have we not seen the cutting power of enton? I have the evidence to suggest its solid while you have none. why wouldn't he just use the same tech as before? why waste time making spikes

lmao the flames arent solid and not would they slow down raikage, what sasuke did was use the heat of the enton to cut through the mini juubi like how he used it to cut kidomaro's webs

and raikage broke the solid ribcage

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so what is the point of sasuke manipulating the technique then? why not just cover it the same way as before? you see how this is flawed logic?

That might have been enton covered normal susanoo sword

it clearly isn't, you can see through it

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[Sir Blades]

I still can't believe the raikage was as reckless as to loose an arm, like wtf? He is a ninja with so much battle experience, so powerful and fast yet in that one single chapter all that went to shit. The consistency in his character is just another example of how Kishi sometimes gets lazy, and weakens characters like the Raikage.

 

[slimreaper]

Woah buddy look at that panel you showed. Sasuke has a sword with lightning already prepared. he just coated that in amaterasu

no he was using that to fight the juubi clones

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it's length clearly isn't enough to match the size of the arrow. and since when can susanoo wield raiton?

 

[slimreaper]

I still can't believe the raikage was as reckless as to loose an arm, like wtf? He is a ninja with so much battle experience, so powerful and fast yet in that one single chapter all that went to shit. The consistency in his character is just another example of how Kishi sometimes gets lazy, and weakens characters like the Raikage.

the raikage is consistently overcome with rage. this is actually another example

 

[deadp00l]

so what is the point of sasuke manipulating the technique then? why not just cover it the same way as before? you see how this is flawed logic?

at first sasuke covered the whole ribcage susanoo cause he couldnt track raikage and raikage could have come from any side, its WRITTEN right there lol

the second time he could clearly see raikage above him so he manipulated enton in that direction, but enton wouldnt stop raikage, his leg would smash sasuke and kill him while raikage would lose a leg due to enton

 

[slimreaper]

at first sasuke covered the whole ribcage susanoo cause he couldnt track raikage and raikage could have come from any side, its WRITTEN right there lol

the second time he could clearly see raikage above him so he manipulated enton in that direction, but enton wouldnt stop raikage, his leg would smash sasuke and kill him while raikage would lose a leg due to enton

i have evidence to suggest enton is solid. where is yours?

 

[ldrill28]

That might have been enton covered normal susanoo sword

This. Regardless though I don't see the kick killing Sasuke, I interpret it as Sasuke having already felt one attack seeing an offensive opening. I trust Sasuke in that situation to discern whether or not to go offensive or defensive, the chakra he expended could have been used defensively or evasively. To me without that sand, it's Sasuke's W and the loss of the fight for Raikage as well as his title of Kage.

 

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would have not removed the raikage's leg? have we not seen the cutting power of enton? I have the evidence to suggest its solid while you have none. why wouldn't he just use the same tech as before? why waste time making spikes

enton wasnt shown to have any cutting feats until war arc which sasuke has ems. at the time sasuke was just manipulating the flames to burn the raikage before he got to him.

 

[Gatsuuga]

Both of your 'solid' flames are simply enton enhanced variations of his original susano'o weapons. I'll draw your attention to the following scans.

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Both scans show that Sasuke forms a susano'o chakra based arrow and also sword. Its these components that form the solid basis of his enton enhanced techniques - exactly the same as how he coats susano'o itself.

The 'spikey' enton you say would stop the raikage weren't made with any solid base so it is just fire. Sasuke manipulated it in that way so that the Raikage would have to pull out sooner as there was less distance between the flames and his leg. But the point is that it was just fire and the guillotine drop would have killed him.

 

[Sir Blades]

i have evidence to suggest enton is solid. where is yours?

Air can cut and deflect, does that make it a solid?

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

I agree. Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi's cutting power is superior to that of Raiton given that Sasuke chose this technique to cut Kabuto's web's rather than Chidori, a technique which has cut through the Raikage's armor.